2011/2012 NCAA Football Thread
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If Notre Dame was going to join a conference, I think it would end up being the Big 12. They bring nothing, other than history with several teams from the Big 10 to that table. Logistically the only other conference that makes any sense is the Big 12. Yes they are in the Big East for Basketball but Football is where the money is made. As a Football conference, the Big East is a fucking joke. How in the hell do they have a BCS tie in. It doesn't matter if they haven't won in twenty years, ND is the biggest chip at the table.
But, enough of this shit. Let the games begin already.
But, enough of this shit. Let the games begin already.
Jagger69
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There's no comparison between UAB and TCU as far as football programs go so I don't think Dodds would see the possibility of losing to them as being any worse (certainly!) than losing to A & M. If risking an embarrassing loss were a concern, the 'Horns wouldn't play Baylor year after year, now would they (actually there's a strong chance the Bears will beat us this year :eek
? :1orglaughIt's all academic anyway since there really isn't any evidence that would indicate that TCU might possibly join the Big 12(10). Ideally, A & M decides to stay and we add BYU and Air Force at some point to once again legitimize the conference as a two-division BCS conference. It would make sense from a geographic standpoint since both of the teams that left the conference were from the North Division.
I think it's comical that A&M made all these press "leaks" intimating that they are in discussions to join the SEC :rofl2: when in fact the SEC hadn't a clue. No college can join a conference simply because it wants to. For one thing -- A&M SHOULD APPROACH others schools about joining the SEC together which was how BC, FSU and VaTech went into the ACC. It was BC and FSU with VaTech whining its way as the 3rd banana....but anyways, the SEC will need to get to 16 and simply adding A&M -- which DOES make sense--is only step 1.
If A&M leaves next summer then I see Okie and Okie State suing the Big12 and dissolving the Big 12 conference.
Texas is arguably the richest, most powerful sports uni in the nation -- they will do fine as an Indie. They do not adhere to the same academic standards for athletic scholies that ND and Stanford do. It's not like an Independent Texas will have to play the SMUs and UTEPs of the world. They'd be able to basically schedule everyone they want whenever and whereever and keep all bowl revenues...
I see the Pac12 approaching the Oklahoma schools and UNLV and SDSU for Pac16 expansion. I think BYU is basically fucked royally. Utah already brings the SLC market for the Pac12 -- they dont need BYU. The Big10 doesn't need BYU...it pretty much leaves them scrapping away in a combined Mid-Major Super Conference of ConferenceUSA, WAC and MWC.
I think several schools should sue the BCS and attempt to force the Big East Conference to be booted out of the auto-qualifier arrangement. I bet that will happen in a couple of months.
I think the SEC will add A&M, Georgia Tech, FSU and Miami....that seems to make the most sense all things considered. Again, Clemson really offers the SEC nothing that USC doesn't already give them.
If A&M leaves next summer then I see Okie and Okie State suing the Big12 and dissolving the Big 12 conference.
Texas is arguably the richest, most powerful sports uni in the nation -- they will do fine as an Indie. They do not adhere to the same academic standards for athletic scholies that ND and Stanford do. It's not like an Independent Texas will have to play the SMUs and UTEPs of the world. They'd be able to basically schedule everyone they want whenever and whereever and keep all bowl revenues...
I see the Pac12 approaching the Oklahoma schools and UNLV and SDSU for Pac16 expansion. I think BYU is basically fucked royally. Utah already brings the SLC market for the Pac12 -- they dont need BYU. The Big10 doesn't need BYU...it pretty much leaves them scrapping away in a combined Mid-Major Super Conference of ConferenceUSA, WAC and MWC.
I think several schools should sue the BCS and attempt to force the Big East Conference to be booted out of the auto-qualifier arrangement. I bet that will happen in a couple of months.
I think the SEC will add A&M, Georgia Tech, FSU and Miami....that seems to make the most sense all things considered. Again, Clemson really offers the SEC nothing that USC doesn't already give them.
Jagger69
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:goodpost: I agree, t-rock. Also, consider that, should Texas go independent, they would be free from any conference television commitments (currently, the Big 12 has a contract with Fox Sports Network) and could therefore televise all of its games on the Longhorn Network. Talk about a financial windfall!! :surprise:
On a separate note, looks like Miami is going to get the NCAA buttfuck soon as well... is the NCAA finally trying to look tough or are they justifying their own monopoly and protecting it? Hard to tell sometimes.... :elaugh:
I'm gonna be honest with ya, I still have no idea which teams are in which division. Stupid ass division set up the ACC, and now the Big Ten, have. But if FSU is in a different division from Va Tech, Va Tech season is pretty promising.
I said it before, if Texas goes independent, they won't have any real problems in the short-term, but in the long run, it would be a bad decision. A lot of teams have varying degrees of problems scheduling games outside of their conference due to conference commitments and if these so-called super-conferences do come into being, they may well need to schedule more in-conference games, and this would not bode well for an idependent Texas team.
Look at it this way, if the top 20 teams are in a position where they must play a 9-game in-conference schedule against strong competition, how many of them would be willing to schedule a team like Texas as one of their non-conference games?
IMO, it would take a few years, but Texas would find themselves with a lackluster schedule that doesn't impress the voters. This could create a domino effect in that they may not earn a bowl-bid to a major bowl, and in-turn, this drops revenues and it would slowly drop donations.
Before changing the division names, they need to change the name of the league. 12 teams in a league called the Big 10. Call it the BNC
for Big North Conference.
i know a lot of you pukes live in the lands that football forgot, but is there really a bigger regular season game than the opener in Dallas between LSU an Oregon?
Being an Auburn fan and living in Alabama, I couldn't forget even if I wanted to.
I'm looking forward to LSU/Oregon, but I'm somewhat miffed that the Georgia/Boise State game is on at the same time.
I would say Miami (if allegations are true) will prob face even more severe sanctions then USC. No Bowl games for 4 years -- 40 scholies taken over 4 years? That would pretty much render The U as a middle-of-the-pack team for the next 4 years.
Even though Baill is a pal to us all -- I'd have to say that tOSU should receive atleast the same punishment as USC.
But let's not be naive though -- every University faces these issues of illicit payment/favors to univ athletes. We can all keep our blinders on and just wait for the NCAA to get around to finding it all...
Or, we can realize that this is no longer 19Fucking51 and we can have Congress create a subcommittee to work with the NCAA and figure out how a system to pay student athletes and maybe not ban agents completely, but figure out a way to remove shady agent dealings from darkness..
Even though Baill is a pal to us all -- I'd have to say that tOSU should receive atleast the same punishment as USC.
But let's not be naive though -- every University faces these issues of illicit payment/favors to univ athletes. We can all keep our blinders on and just wait for the NCAA to get around to finding it all...
Or, we can realize that this is no longer 19Fucking51 and we can have Congress create a subcommittee to work with the NCAA and figure out how a system to pay student athletes and maybe not ban agents completely, but figure out a way to remove shady agent dealings from darkness..
I'm all for paying the athletes, but a large part of the problem is the agents and how they've manged to stay in business, by figuring out how to get around the rules without being banned. The best way to handle this would be to have Congress, the NCAA and the NFL all involved in coming up with rules and/or laws which punish the agents in the most severe way. Huge fines, lifetime bans and jail time.
That's not much of a punishment, they were gonna be middle-of-the-pack regardless (unlike USC)
Just like some drugs being legalized would destroy the black market on them almost overnight, I think realizing college athletics aren't remotely amateurism anymore and allowing the players to get some of the huge revenues that come in depending how they are valued, and allowing the players access to outside elements like endorsements and agents would very greatly lower the shady things that agents do because the majority of it wouldn't have to be done in the first place.
I blame the players the least, but I also often don't blame the agents that much either. While I'm sure most of them don't have the athletes best interest in mind until they acquire them (and then sometimes even afterwards), and while they probably do what they do out of greed, they are also operating under a system who's rules are pretty idiotic, and don't conform to common sense or reality.
If the NFL, NCAA, and congress were worried about parity or anything like that they maybe they should get congress to authorize extensive revenue sharing and caps and floors on spending like the NFL has for all the major NCAA programs and allow it under law without making the college risk it's tax exempt status in most other aspects of what it does besides it's profitable sports programs. (Demanding a real playoff system to decide a champion each year wouldn't hurt either.)
That's not much of a punishment, they were gonna be middle-of-the-pack regardless (unlike USC)
A bowl game ban is a huge thing in today's world....the hype, the constant promotion, the travel, the oppty to play a name opponent...10 years ago skipping a bowl game wasn't that big of a deal. But today it is a big deal, imo.
There is no real motivation to play without a bowl game at the end of the season.
USC pretty much gave up at the end of last season. They'll give up again this season.
dont know if you call it big or not...but bama auburn fans dont speak to each other a week before the game:2 cents:
Jagger69
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As a Miami fan, I am very disillusioned over this development but I can't say I'm surprised. Not only has the Miami program been rife with this sort of thing since Dennis Erickson was coach but this type of activity is extremely common throughout college football....it's just a matter of getting caught. Just ask Pete Carroll or Butch Davis or Jim Tressell or....on and on.
Whether you love or hate the Hurricanes, I think we'd all have to agree that these types of developments are not good for college football. When you potentially have high-profile programs like USC, Miami, North Carolina and Ohio State on probation for NCAA violations, something is drastically wrong with the system.
I honestly don't know what the answer is. Pay the players, you say? OK....how much? Are you going to pay a starting QB on a par with an offensive lineman? And even if you pay them, what's to stop them from wanting more and taking it if some overzealous booster or alumnus offers it?
This is fucked up....this asshole Shapiro is a crook and he's in deep trouble so he wants to take everyone else down with him. Slimy as hell.
Whether you love or hate the Hurricanes, I think we'd all have to agree that these types of developments are not good for college football. When you potentially have high-profile programs like USC, Miami, North Carolina and Ohio State on probation for NCAA violations, something is drastically wrong with the system.
I honestly don't know what the answer is. Pay the players, you say? OK....how much? Are you going to pay a starting QB on a par with an offensive lineman? And even if you pay them, what's to stop them from wanting more and taking it if some overzealous booster or alumnus offers it?
This is fucked up....this asshole Shapiro is a crook and he's in deep trouble so he wants to take everyone else down with him. Slimy as hell.
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