Iamforever
Banned
not me. when my rbi machine and best hitter goes down looking to end the game, i have problems. i have zero faith in the indians right now. i dont even think they will make the playoffs.
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not me. when my rbi machine and best hitter goes down looking to end the game, i have problems. i have zero faith in the indians right now. i dont even think they will make the playoffs.
Iamforever
Banned
i think he would have broken it two years ago. :2 cents:
i agree. bonds has a cloud over him that nobody wants to touch.
Iamforever
Banned
he did struggle. 110 pitches in 5 innings. lets not go crazy here. but then again look what happened to santana, ervin that is, when he made his debut against the tribe. first four batters, a cycle. santana aint bad. Bailey will be fine. he got rattled in the first and settled down against that offense. Bailey should be the real thing. :thumbsup:
didn't Bailey say something about not being happy with his work after the game? I love players like that.
Good questions Clarkie, and you're probably right on both counts.
Imo there's only one thing Bonds can do to salvage a good degree of personal integrity and show respect for the game: As soon as he hits the home run that ties Aaron's record he should retire....immediately. He can then prorate back the rest of his salary for the year to the Giants. If he doesn't make it this year he should announce that that's his plan for next year, such that the Giants can plan accordingly.
Imo there's only one thing Bonds can do to salvage a good degree of personal integrity and show respect for the game: As soon as he hits the home run that ties Aaron's record he should retire....immediately. He can then prorate back the rest of his salary for the year to the Giants. If he doesn't make it this year he should announce that that's his plan for next year, such that the Giants can plan accordingly.
As far as the first part I don't think so. Everybody looks at Bonds when comparing people to this type of thing, but they always forget that to get better like that when you near 40 years old is almost absolutely unheard of in almost any sport. A large reason why Bonds did that might be the steroids, but I personally doubt that Griffy would have gotten better or even stayed at the same level of performance if he never got injured. Like all people he would have declined into his thirties. It's always easier to fall off than to stay on pace. Age might have been a good reason or even the predominate reason why he couldn't stay healthy in the first place. I would say the same thing for people thinking the same about Alex Rodriguez. He might break the record to, but don't assume it just because he's doing well now. It's also very likely that he falls apart as he gets older like everybody does and comes up short. To be honest what it takes is just being good enough to have a lot of padding the stats years without getting kicked out by some young guy that's better than you. The fact even the 500 home run mark isn’t as important as it used to be helps.
As far as Hank Aaron goes I would agree except in the past, years before any of this stuff with Bonds happened, he has said very similar things about baseball and how much he cares for it and how much he wants to attend special events it has in books people have written among other things. In that respect it's too hard to tell what he's thinking here because he could just be stating his feeling just as he always has in the past.
I have to agree Clarkie, I think Griffey would be well on his way, and it's a shame that a good guy like Griffey isn't the one chasing the record. Instead you have an arrogant, self centered prick chasing it. I was watching the movie Rookie Of The Year the other day and there was a short scene where the kid was striking out the big hitters of the time, and Bonds was one of them. You could see how much thinner he was back then, and for a guy his age to have bulked up so much so quickly, pleasssssse, that asshole is on th juice, I don't give a damn what he denies, he is cheating his way into the record books.
I've heard this theory before, but with him stopping one short of the record and retiring.
-sigh-
I think it's more likely, considering Bonds' lifelong temperament, that he'll break the record, turn around, and give a big middle finger salute to the whole world. I wouldn't put it past him. That really is one sad, pathetic, arrogant, unapologetic, bitter, shameful, old man.
I could not have said it better myself!!! Rep for you!!!
He can give the whole world the middle finger or whatever he wants, the fact is that he will have cheated his way into baseball history, and we all know that, and so does he, that's why he would give us all the finger, as if to say to us all "Ha ha assholes i cheated and got in the record books anyways"
Iamforever
Banned
i dont like barry bonds any more than the next. he actually spurned me personally. but the fact of the matter is, he was arguably the greatest player i have ever seen.
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Tim Couch...enough said.
I agree. He does seem like a jerk. (Not that the media has been totally innocent in the relationship between them.) A huge number of people that are in the Hall of Fame are, but being a jerk and being a good ball player are two different things. I also have a problem considering him a cheat because to cheat you have to break the rules. It was pretty stupid for baseball to go that long without doing anything. In an ideal world steroids would have been banned from the game a long time ago.
I think part of the problem is that numbers mean more in baseball than any other sport. In it they are giving almost mythical status. Even most football fans couldn't tell you what the record for touchdowns is unless they looked it up, and even that is with Farve about to pass it. If this were the NFL nobody would care. There somebody who was caught using steroids and suspended for part of the season was allowed to make the pro bowl in the same year. If that happened in baseball there would have been a riot. I think like all accomplishments it's the combination of two things, how good the player was and the circumstances under which he did it. Recognizing offensive production or a batter as not being as good as they seem in the steroid era is not that different than recognizing pitchers weren't as good as they seemed in the dead ball era. It's something that happened that can't be changed and you have to go on from there. The fact that sometimes the nicest guys don't end up doing the best is a part of life.
Yeah, Barry Bonds is an ass. But he is a great player. I didn't realize it, but he has almost 3000 hits, which is really impressive when you consider all the walks he's drawn or been given (almost 2500).
My Phillies. Losing two out of three to Kansas City is bad enough, but to give up 17!! That's embarrassing.
