Iamforever
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in the playoffs dude. the red sox are not the cubs. :rofl:
2007 MLB Thread
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in the playoffs dude. the red sox are not the cubs. :rofl:
You're right they're not the Cubs. The Red Sox can actually win in the playoffs.
The Yankees are SUPPOSED to win? I guess they have not gotten that memo yet, cause they just broke a 7 game losing streak. I know it is only the first month of the season, but the pitching staff seems to need an ambulance every game. If the Yanks don't get the pitching back to form, they will go nowhere fast. Last place, god that brings back bad memories, it better not last too much longer.
PS-always remember, there was never any curse on the Red Sox, they just sucked for 86 years. Although i'd take their record now as opposed to the Yanks current drought.:1orglaugh
PS-always remember, there was never any curse on the Red Sox, they just sucked for 86 years. Although i'd take their record now as opposed to the Yanks current drought.:1orglaugh
Iamforever
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i said in the playoffs.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2854168
Is Joe Torre the most over rated manager in MLB history? I say yes. They should of fired him last year.
Is Joe Torre the most over rated manager in MLB history? I say yes. They should of fired him last year.
yes he's overrated. I would have thought he would have went after the last time they got beat by Anaheim in the post season.
If winning the World Series 4 times is overrated, I will take it any day. Is Torre past his prime? For sure, but he is still better than a lot of MLB managers despite his recent record. He has not lost his job because who will Steinbrenner get to replace him? There is nobody out there right now, better to stay with Torre then bring in someone who is mediocre at best.
I don't know if I would call Torre overrated. I think as with 90+% of all managers and coaches in all our sports that they receive too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong. Torre is just a case of that happening IMO. I don't know if he is a different coach than he was 7 years ago. It's not like somebody can flip a switch on him. It’s just the nature of the position.
My favorites when it comes to managers are LaRussa, Pinella, and Leeland. Three old time classic and respectable managers.
Iamforever
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torre isnt overrated. but you know who is underrated? eric wedge. yep, he is an underrated jackass.
That's a good point. He had just been given another chance after blowing that 3-0 lead the year prior.
A good point also. I understand the logic of keeping Torre around in his washed up years. The Yankees are in a tight spot with all the superstars they have acquired. They need a guy everyone will respect and listen to, the fans included. Having won 4 rings gives him the credibility, but these recent Yankee teams are very different from those that won it all. They need a new voice.
Plus, his in game managing is bad for years now, imo. The fans, media, everyone seem blinded by those 4 rings and defend him relentlessly. He's got such a great lineup, he rarely has to sacrifice guys over - if ever. When they get in the playoffs, its like he has forgotten how to do all the little things. The series against the Tigers last year was a perfect example of him not doing things so simple as moving runners over. :2 cents:
Agreed....I'm not one of the fans who defend him soley because of the 4 rings, i know he isn't the coach he used to be, but as I stated earlier, the options available aren't any better than keeping him....for now anyway.
Iamforever
Banned
give torre a break. he has to baby sit all those egos, then deal with the new york media. shit, i wouldnt want his job.
IAF, I couldnt concur with you more! That means I couldnt agree more with that statement.
:bowdown:
Yes 4 championships in 5 years, 9 straight division titles, and never missing the playoffs your entire time as manager is overrated, how dare he think those stats are good. (end sarcasim)
This is exactly what I was talking about. ^ Btw, you should consider changing your screen name to Yankeefan26/39.
In the past I think the Yankees were just so good that they won despite all the small ball stuff and not because of it. When you play for just one run that's all your going to get and things like trying to move the runners over usually hurt you as much as help. Sacrificing is almost never a good idea except maybe in a very limited set of circumstances. In any case the team is built even less for that kind of stuff now.
Once you get to the playoffs you have to remember that a lot more luck is involved in who wins. The Cardinals won it last year, and they weren't the best team by any means. People have to keep in mind that if only a few things went differently since the last time the Yankees won there would be an extremely good chance they would have won two or three more World Series.
With the exception of pitching usage I would say the manager in baseball is even a lot less important than coaches in other sports, unless he's doing something stupid like having people bunt all the time, having people steal that only have a 60% success rate, or having his closer just come in to protect a ninth inning lead instead of the most important situation late in the ball game. In other sports that aren't turn based the team can scheme and plan out their strategy to make the team a sum greater than it's parts. In baseball you can't do that. A baseball team is basically a set of individuals where as in football, basketball and hockey the teammates have to work closely together and coaching plays more of a part in that.
I always liked Torre.
True enough, they are stinking it up with that payroll thay have!
True enough, they are stinking it up with that payroll thay have!
Iamforever
Banned
youre thinking of AL managers. AL coaches do all the work. but, in the NL, even the managers job is hard.
Pitching usage is one of the few places where baseball managers do most of their dirty work that might separate them from managers that are worse than them, and it is harder to do in the NL. Other than that it's more about not screwing up and keeping egos in check. Still I don't find the job as difficult as what an NFL head coach would have to do for example or even the offensive or defensive coordinators there.
