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What follows, of course, is that we are electing like-minded politicians who will naturally mirror the nonconstructive debate at the national level. I fully agree with the sentiment that convicted felons shouldn't have access to guns. I fully agree with the sentiment bob's other thread that...

I think the response was less that you didn't know the details of the story (perfectly forgivable) and more that you came in here not knowing the details of the story to irrelevantly play your politics. But I could be wrong.

That is my point. Ooof. I think that's the first time I've watched Piers. I can see why people dislike him so much. He's as annoying to watch as Bill O'Reilly. Just let the guest finish a sentence! I agree with Shapiro more or less, sans the issue I've already made clear my opposite position...

To address the relevant parts: I'm saying this is the kind of tyranny the ***-protection-against-tyranny is void for. If it's so absurd, it should be easily disproved - I'm not even asking for proof of a negative (I'm taking the negative side). So I'll ask again: when, say in the last fifty...

I don't know about 'most', but it's pretty fucking paranoid. I thought I was clear. But here's another go: The argument that guns are necessary to protect our rights from the US government is void, because they have failed to do anything of the sort in modern history. That is to say, the...

No. That it's bullshit because it isn't protecting our freedoms. They're going away, not even all that subtly, and guns haven't had a part in stopping the process. Funny, I didn't say anything about that. I didn't mean you were defenseless militarily. Yet allow the others to go. What part did...

Okay. You've made this the thrust of your rebuttal, yet it wasn't at all my point. I concede the entire army bit. It's beside the point. Hence the line after your highlight, it won't happen like that anyway.

I'm not going to speak to Johan's examples as I don't have the time, but I will say, again, the argument for armed Americans to protect themselves from their government is BS. Contrary to our constant frustration with members or our government, they aren't stupid; there isn't going to be some...

I highly doubt that. Seeing as the ridiculous parallel is often drawn to 1940's Germany in this debate, I'll go ahead and draw a ridiculous parallel of my own of the other side of the coin: modern day Somalia.

It's an excellent clip.

It may seem heartless, but I think the 'Don't negotiate with terrorists' is a good policy - anything less just eggs on more. If you pay them, everybody else knows it pays to ****** your citizens. If you ****/capture all the hostage takers, even at the expense of the hostages, you'll save more...

:clap: I agree 100% with Rey. I also despair that the chances of this happening are about the same as people voting in a third candidate for President and voting out Congress, all of which coincidentally happen to match the percentage of my agreement, sans the 1.

I wish it could simply be 'live and let live'. Clever control structures as they are though, religions have dogma built-in to prevent such a neutral state. Western society has dulled these for western religions, but they're still there - just look at all the 'social conservatism' legislation...

Business as usual. :cool: Has anybody started a pool to bet on which will go down first between the US and the EU?

Pfft. You should have known better to put that at the top of the post...

Re: The Dark Knight Rises Super important, this! I am greatly annoyed by films that start off requiring some certain level of suspension of disbelief, only to change later on - to contrast, say, to a movie that starts off right away telling you it's not going to be a realistic film (take, say...

I wonder how much of a disconnect there is between what any given representative does for one's state, and how effective they are at the national level. My rep's been in the House since 1995 and I've voted for him twice - because he's done some great things for Oregon. I don't rightly know how...

:eek::cthulhu::eek::explosion: The kicker is...I hear so much about 'hey, if I don't do my job, I get fired!' ...and yet the vast majority of Congress was re-elected. Who's worse, the **** employee, or the boss who doesn't can the **** employee (says Obi Wan to Han Solo)? I think this is a...

Oy! You're interrupting the tech spec :banana: that's been going on for the last 35 posts! ...but I agree. I think it'll be mighty painful in the short term, but I think falling off this 'cliff' would be good for us in the long-term. Looks like everything'll get haphazardly bandaged together so...

Quoted for truth. Of course, there are bad and good people from every demographic, believe structure, etc., etc. But putting everything else aside, what would point more towards a benevolent lifestyle: the idea that everything now is 'virtually' inconsequential for you and your fellow person...

As zero hour approaches and no deal is made, what do you reckon? Biden, McConnell continue ‘cliff’ talks as clock winds down The Top 5 People to Blame When We Go Over the Fiscal Cliff

This statement shines with 100% pure grade-A ignorance. Let's just pretend like you didn't say it and give you another chance.

:hatsoff:

This is true - but one must consider that scientific progress as far as origin theories and the really gritty physics behind existence are all relatively (or objectively) brand new - as in, current times. These things up to now (one can even take the recent discovery of the Higgs Boson into...

I don't know about that; I think science can and will eventually fill the void our genetic wiring demands for explaining the world around us. There's some very intriguing writing done on theories about why we have such demands; I recommend reading Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene (note: not a...

I found the referenced article (for those who will scream and shout about the Huffington Post) to be quite interesting: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-04-27/opinions/35453898_1_republican-party-party-moves-democratic-party Sounds pretty spot on.

Ah. No, I meant that earnestly - if you look at the time stamp, I was referring to the fact that the GMT time zone still had 45 minutes of Christmas left (as opposed to the one I currently reside, where it was already past). I'll meet you at the misunderstanding and rescind my go fuck yourself...

Ah. A whole 18 months. An expert is among us...I stuck that comment in front of you, where it belongs. Because your post was horseshit. Most of your posts are. I don't worry about getting shot. And there's a working healthcare system. Sundays are a bitch though. Whoever thought one of the two...

I guarantee a massive drop in crime if they just go one further and ban limbs. Without limbs, ******* will be at an all-time low, carried out only by face-eating folk from Florida.

I did. For twenty-one years. How long have you lived in the US? This is incoherent horseshit. All the same, you've got forty-five minutes left in France, if I'm not mistaken: Merry Christmas!

Back at ya ol' man. :hatsoff:

My commentary was purely a rebuttal of georges' overarching sentiment, nothing to this particular incident. I readily accept even the most rehabilitative of countries still have their criminals that are beyond help. Just not nearly as many as folks like georges think. I agree.

:facepalm: Do you bump into things a lot? I can imagine your peripheral vision doesn't exist with such an incredibly narrow view. See: http://www3.unil.ch/wpmu/space/publications/recidivism-studies/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#United_States

I don't know about the bar fights, but as for relationship ******** ********** is at 22%, max. Compared to 54% minimum that are shot (the data is arranged by gender victim, and ********** only falls into an 'other' category). http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/LawProbHoward.htm

Well on this at least, we most definitely agree. It's worse than that. It's what the people created and in some instances want. It's more "fun" that way.

I should be clear: I'm not calling for the banning of guns. My position is that guns need to be taken down from their irrational pedestal and dealt with differently. The results of the status quo are, at least to me, entirely unacceptable. For me, the metric goes like this: take a handgun...

The statistics given are per-capita. New Hampshire has a higher population density than Minnesota. The TC do have, specifically, around twice the population density as Manchester, New Hampshire (but isn't included in your picked geography anyway, so :dunno: ). I can find a geographic area to...

The logical conclusion to the line you're drawing here is that if it's impossible to stop, we shouldn't try. I'm pretty confident that's not what you mean, but that is where you're going with this. eponymous has already addressed the obvious absurdity of this position. The sources I found had...

Right. Round two... I can find three such incidents of these types occurring in the UK since 1987. I can find, let's say, 58 in the US in that same time period. The US has five times the population of the UK. And over nineteen times the number of public shootings (give or take depending on what...

:thumbsup: Very much agreed. This is definitely a problem - although it's a problem now anyway while it's *******. At least in a legal environment, the girls on the job have rights and protections.

The poor guy's come back and nothing's any better.

I think this is grossly untrue. *Maybe* *some* politicians are sinisterly thinking otherwise (although even this I doubt, but I'll get to that in a second), but most of the everyday citizens involved on the control-side of the debate very, very much care about their safety. The right loves this...

...that's not even kind of true. Factoring in police response times, population densities, hell, physical layout... :dunno: Listen, I know you want to make a point, and you're happy to grab whatever might even look like it fits to make it. There's plenty out there to choose from. This is not one.

There's a big difference between a remote island and the city. And if those 300 million weapons were a deterrent or even a protection, why are the shooters only 'stopped' by their own guns? It doesn't add up.

My point is that these two things are not causally linked, and barely even correlated. Sales of ice cream and drownings follow the same annual trend; that doesn't mean ice cream causes drownings.

This comparison gets you nowhere. What happened in Norway was of course horrific - but can you tell me the last time something like that happened in Norway? I can't tell you. Because every list of these events I looked at only lists that one for Norway. When it happened, I think I read...

Very important, this - it serves two functions: stops psychopaths from being able to just go to their friend's (******'s, uncle's, whatever) place and get a ***. Secondly, being a club provides a social setting where members are able to potentially pick up cues if another member's beginning to...

:thumbsup: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-tax-exempt-status-westboro-baptist-church-re-classify-westboro-baptist-church-****-group/tNVz4V7Q

This, times whatever I'm appropriately allowed to times it by. Of course, such an overhaul has to naturally be tied to an overhaul of the health care system in general, and that hasn't been so terribly successful yet.