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So. Fucking. True. ...but actually true, unlike the 'truth' based on alternative facts that our resident propaganda puppets enjoy. It, along with many of the threads occupying the board's front page as of this post, are a refreshing change from insanity. It's too bad such horrific events were...

Ah yes, the ever present deflections. Can we take your lack of rebuttals regarding Trump as a tacit concession to the points made?

I may not see eye-to-eye with bob on a lot, but I'm in total agreement with virtually everything he's said here. I also don't have a problem with the theory of IDs for voting - the reality is, though, it's a suppression tactic. Republicans have openly admitted it (there's literally video...

Man, if the leaders of the Democrat party weren't so against progressive policies, I'd still suspect Donald Trump was a liberal plant (policies like finally joining the rest of the civilized world - hell, even the uncivilized world - with medicare for all have never been more popular or have had...

You're right about that. I'm hoping they start by taking some of the center-right's - I would love the first of those to be Pelosi's (alas, we've got six years to wait for Schumer). Things are never going to get any better when our two main choices are center-right and far-right.

It's always good to put things in perspective, isn't it? Bill Clinton's presidency was terrible for the middle class (not to mention many of the seeds of the shitshow we deal with today were - I don't want to say planted, because much of that goes back to Reagan, but...let's say hyper-fertilized...

Ha ha...Rey's cynical answer aside, I think this is a tough question to answer because examples like the ones in the OP can be found in any country. But, at least in my own residencies and travels abroad, this...high value on stupidity is uniquely ours. Anti-intellectualism. It's one thing to...

Velocity of money. A theory in practical opposition to trickle down, but unlike trickle down, is grounded by historical evidence. Okay: http://www.epi.org/publication/ib330-productivity-vs-compensation/ (Read it before jumping on 'average hourly compensation' versus mimimum wage) There is a...

I don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse, but I'm fatigued, disappointed, and over this (in that order). Believe what you want.

https://www.oregon.gov/cjc/SAC/Pages/Recidivism.aspx :dunno:

So, in other words... Bob - once again, you're arguing past the point. That 40% recidivism is a self-sustaining cycle. Norway breaks that. We commit to it. *sigh* If the world were so black and white and simple, there wouldn't be crime in the first place. And yet, by your own numbers, our...

I quoted the parts of your post that were not one of the following: A) Gibberish B) Objectively false C) Bullshit D) Inanely stupid Source please. georges, do you support a blanket death penalty for all crimes?

When you say this, I have to assume you read one paragraph in and discarded the information. Your loss. :dunno: An...actual study...? Which is why I didn't go on. I used it only to illustrate what is "on paper" is not in reality. If you want to claim otherwise, I need evidence. You've just...

This stuff isn't in dispute. What we're saying is that our very prison system helps propagate this (and we're not even getting to the big topics like for-profit-prisons, racial profiling/injustice, laws drawn up specifically to target minority groups, etc). I mean, that's not literally paper...

No. That is an illegitimate reason to discard it (the roleplay was part of the point, really). Find a better reason, or accept it. Whichever you choose, here is another: the BBC prison study. Our point being we help create that, though many of the factors there are beyond the prison system...

Norway's system shows a relationship between a rehabilitative prison system and lower ********. The USA, a system of punishment and higher ********. Ergo, by adopting Norway's prison philosophy, we'd be reducing the ******** you claim prevents us from adopting Norway's prison philosophy. Here's...

Oh georges. You never cease to be a hateful, ignorant asshole. Have you stopped to ask yourself that the very differences we're discussing might contribute to that? The goal of Norway's prison system is rehabilitation. The goal of USA's prison system is punishment, and violent punishment at...

I can't help but think you're approaching this from an incredulity fallacy. Just looking at Wikipedia, the US has 60+ times the population, 25+ times the area, and 50+ times the GDP. What makes you think we can't scale?

Thank you for clarifying. Can you explain why you think the number of inmates makes it illogical?

Huh? I know you're dancing around an implied point, but I don't want to assume its foundation is bullshit: Please spell it out. Lay it all down. What're you trying to say with the last two posts and why?

...and...?

I don't know...in Nixon's day, the idea of country over party still existed and Democrats controlled Congress (and principled Republicans were still two words you could say without *******). Today's Republicans gleefully **** on democratic norms in their power grabs with propaganda-gobbling...

This isn't particularly a specific problem in healthcare, but a problem with American society in general. I'd like to think it's what happens when lawyers run the country, but I'd say that more out of flippancy than evidence. ...in the meantime, though, there are very real things we can change...

Use the ignore list. Seriously, it makes the board better. Because you're both right: As georges (without the slightest idea how ironic he is when saying it, the poor fool) says, "You can't fix stupid". And here's the thing - the more these useful idiots are ignored and left to their own circle...

Yes...but implementation hasn't happened. This is HR 676, a bill in the House now, 2017.

Did you...actually read that? It's a bill in the House right now. Not law.

... https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676/text#toc-H5DD5FAEF37C94C58807C9381D6BF0D6D

Round two: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act Second paragraph mentions cost savings ranging from $350 billion per year immediately to 40% of all national health expenditures.

I quoted the parts of your post that were not one of the following: A) Gibberish B) Objectively false C) Bullshit D) Inanely stupid I figure this will save me time from now on. What about that bet?

I wanted to return to this - do you want to bet on this? No joke, honest wager, and not for something so trite as money, but board presence.

The amount you "know well" could be written on a pinhead. The rest of the sentence was omitted because it was full of ****. You're fucking blind. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. Seriously georges, you're lying to my face. You can fuck off with that. :rofl2::rofl::1orglaugh No, you can find the...

In other words: Corporate news. 6 corporations own virtually every news broadcast on television/cable. Of course favoritism, obvious bias, and intentional omissions are at play.

No. You certainly are not. This fits your description, though. Is this why I can find your opinions with a quick search of rightwing blogs? You do a real fucking poor job, georges. Try harder? ...except I didn't. Ooops. Projection be thy name. You know 'the medias' is more than the...

...except for over 100 of them. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676/cosponsors I'm noticing a worrying trend bob. Don't go there, please. Don't let 'anti-left' make you 'anti-smart'.

...and you are such a moron and a deluded person. Who I still can't put on ignore. Which I'd really like to do, considering the inanely stupid **** coming out of your fingertips all the time.

He insulted their messiah, of course. And they were ironically triggered accordingly.

Valid to the right's ideology, no. But if you're interested in any kind of objective truth, that shouldn't matter. Are you?

The problem with reading/quoting/citing propaganda is that it can safely be dismissed, even before getting to the actual argument (which might be a good one!). Much like you wouldn't leave a broken clock on the wall, even though that clock is correct 0.0023% of the time (by the second - AKA...

A Woman Is On Trial For Laughing During A Congressional Hearing The Justice Department Is Prosecuting a Woman for Laughing at Jeff Sessions The US Department of Justice is literally prosecuting a woman for laughing at Jeff Sessions Let it not be said that laughter isn't a cutting weapon against...

That's just the sad thing: Even keeping the lights on is a victory these days. And will likely continue to be (or worse) as long as folks keep electing hyper-partisan representatives, which will continue as long as folks keep ******** their flavor of corporate-news-narrative, which will continue...

...which is still far more than we need. Basically anybody worried about spending or the debt has no credibility unless they're attacking the defense budget with as much zeal as any other area. I only point out this specific dichotomy because of the number of "budget hawks" who're more than...

One can't say there is literally no downside - for one, the cheap disposable lifestyle we in the first world enjoy will largely have to end. Which I think is a good thing, personally, but it will be a pain point for many. But your central point is spot on: We can put aside climate change...

Unfortunately, that would require him being able to parse through bullshit, rather than shovel it out gratuitiously. He's much better suited to the lawyer role.

It was always obvious that the Republican opposition to Obamacare had nothing to do with "the good of the country", but to oppose Obama. This is simply another confirmation of that. And before the predictable responses of how bad Obamacare is/how it's collapsing under its own weight/etc: Not...

The baby meme is amusing, especially considering how accurate Bill Maher's been on calling Trump out as a whiny little bitch. And as I told bob elsewhere, I get that partisans from both sides do this. Every time somebody got on Obama's case, all we'd see is "But BUSH...!" (it didn't help that...

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the series of hidden posts following yours from my ignore list are predictable deflections to Democrats. Something along the lines of "But OBAMA...", which of course has nothing to do with how clownish Donald Trump is. Obama could be Ronald McDonald...

Here you run into the problem of politics on one dimension. Two works better: https://www.politicalcompass.org/

When all one has are these deflections, it's a tacit concession to the original charge. So when this is said: And your response has nothing to do with that statement: You're not disputing the original charge, and yet feel compelled to put on a defensive stance. Pro-tip: "They did it/are it...

Bodie's correct in saying most of what actually made America great falls on liberals - but I firmly have no faith in the Democratic party to get anything done. They're next to useless. They're next to useless and then try to take credit for what activists on the ground achieved entirely...

I'm usually wary of people saying the current president (not necessarily Trump, just whoever is the president at the time) is the "X-st" president in history, especially when it's just partisans saying that their president is the best while the other side says they're the worst (i.g., the last...