*** Control is Coming - But Listen to This!

I tend to lean toward the Earth is as old as it feels.

I would prefer that it be 4.5 billion years old because that leaves about 4.5 billion years that whack jobs like you can't account for. Also, the Bible states that for God, a year is a day and a day is like 1000 years.

*yawn*
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
the colorado theater killer bought armor-piercing ammo online, legally. he also had grenages and bought 100 round clips, online no questions asked, legally.

I need to see that for myself. Do you have a link from a news story that proves that, and gives the name of the site?
 
look at the original post. there's a link to the story. He bought body armor 4000 rounds including armor-piercing ammo and a 100 round clip for his assault rifle online, no ID & no questions asked. if you stand behind that then you're fucked in the head.
from the story:
"The suit named Lucky Gunner, which operates as BulkAmmo.com and sold Holmes more than 4,000 rounds of ammunition; The Sportsman’s Guide, which sold him a 100-round magazine and 700 rounds; BTP Arms, which supplied two canisters of tear gas; and Bullet Proof Body Armor."
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
What I read said nothing about armor piercing ammo, or hand grenades. It mentions the smoke canisters, those are not explosive though. It did say he booby trapped his apartment with homemade explosives, but again doesn't mention any purchase of prepared explosive devices. It also says the site sold him thousands of rounds of ammo, it doesn't say he bought them all at once. I read another article it said he was dressed in bullet resistant clothing that covered his neck, crotch, and legs, as well as his chest, but did not say bullet proof.

No, I don't see anything wrong with buying ammo in bulk on line, I have done it. Why should I pay more then I have to per box. This guy is obviously a whack job, and I'm not happy about innocent people ******** ********, but not everyone is a head case, and not everyone wants to do harm to the world. Again, I should not have to pay the price, because of the actions of another. You can think I'm fucked in the head all you want, but the fact that I have more then this fucktard did, and haven't broken one single law, speaks far more to my character, then to a person that has, or claims to have, and illegally altered firearm. A firearm that you clearly state you knew was altered. What did you need a fully automatic firearm for? That mag in the picture is at least 30 rounds...maybe 40. Have you cleared your conscience by turning it in, and forgetting about the money you paid for it?

This asshole went into a theater wearing what people described as a costume...so should that be ******* too, because there are going to be a shitload of comic con nerds protesting that. He also walked in with 3 separate guns, and only one was high capacity. Sop what if he would have went in with 5 guns, and none of them had 100 round mags. Say he went in with 2 shotguns, and 3 handguns. That would have been just as, if not more devastating.

You can't stop this kind of thing, even if he had to show a State I.D. to buy that 100 round mag. Even if you stopped selling them it wouldn't stop. The 2 assholes at Columbine high school used homemade explosives, and it isn't hard to find the recipes for that. If you want to live someplace that doesn't have this kind of thing happen, I suggest you consult supa's list, because all of the laws, and regulations in the world are not going to stop ********. Guns, and bullets. and knives and bats, are inanimate objects, they mean nothing without an operator.
 
I watched the interview with the girls parents and the ATF agent who investigated the case. They said that the girl was shot while hiding behind the seats in the theater when she was shot, and the ammo-piercing bullets went through the seats like they weren't there. Ill see if I can find any more information on it.

The **** at Colombine bought their weapons at a *** show. Again, no problem with buying it online if there is some sort of verification system to keep this from happening without any ID or anything else.

The point it that it was simple for him to accumulate thousands of rounds of ammo and body armor online and no one knew who was buying it or seemed to care.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I watched the interview with the girls parents and the ATF agent who investigated the case. They said that the girl was shot while hiding behind the seats in the theater when she was shot, and the ammo-piercing bullets went through the seats like they weren't there. Ill see if I can find any more information on it.

The **** at Colombine bought their weapons at a *** show. Again, no problem with buying it online if there is some sort of verification system to keep this from happening without any ID or anything else.

The point it that it was simple for him to accumulate thousands of rounds of ammo and body armor online and no one knew who was buying it or seemed to care.

The **** from Columbine didn't buy the guns, someone of legal age bought them for them, and the parents neglected to realize their **** were in the garage at 11 pm on a school night making bombs. You don't need armor piercing bullets to shoot through a theater seat...standard ammo will do that...the same ammo YOU put in any one of your guns. And again, firearms purchased on line MUST go to an authorized FFL dealer for the back round check...you will show your I.D. to the store owner, before you receive your weapon.
 
If you have to provide your ID to buy fucking benadryl online then you should certainly have to provide ID to buy bullets. I can't buy heartworm prevention for my dogs without a script AND my ID. Im not saying make buying online *******, but a background check for bulk ammo or body armor or 100 round clips makes too much sense. What type of person buys body armor that isn't police? He had multiple piece, he had ballistic helmet, throat and groin protector as well as a vest. So that good guy with a *** theory wouldn't have worked on him more than likely.

I was a mile away from the north hollywood bank robbery I had just had my *** 3 weeks before and was at the doctor in north hollywood...did you ever see that? Those guys had full body armor and were just walking down the street taking bullets like nothing.

 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Mariah, do you honestly think that the folks in the *** control movement are going to be cool with you having (or keeping) that AK? Do you think Mayor Bloomy and his ******* in arms, George Soros, are going to allow that? You have a lot more trust in their (true) motives than I do.

Here's the question I've been asking for about 20 years... ever since William Clinton and Janet "Torch" Reno began beating the drum for *** control and an "assault weapons" ban (all the while taking donations from a guy whose company was illegally smuggling FULLY automatic AKs into the U.S. to be sold to gangs): since it is a fact that gangs commit the highest percentage of violent acts, given their numbers, why don't the *** grabbers ever go after them with full *****? Sure, with the hand-in-hand cooperation from their friends in the media, it's easy to whip the American public into believing that they are under imminent threat from lone wolf gunmen. It's no different than how they get people into a frenzy over shark attacks. What Americans are under threat from are gangs and previously convicted criminals, who do not generally buy their guns from legally licensed sources. They steal them and they acquire them through black market street dealers (some of which are stolen). Members of the Crips, Bloods, Aryan Brotherhood and the Mexican Mafia don't go to *** shows. Sure, there are strawmen. But how would any more laws deal with that any better than what we have now? What do the gang bangers and hardcore criminals do? They do home invasions or they buy what they want from people like Bill Clinton's buddy, Ziggy down on the corner or the Brighton Beach Russian-Israeli smuggling pipleline. Hell, with a $100K and the right connections, I'd say that a fellow could head up to Brighton in the morning and have a 16 year old Russian hooker, a kilo of Ecstasy and a select-fire Uzi by nightfall. That's what us country folk call one stop shoppin', right there. And if you'd rather head south, hook up with a Mexican connection and you could surely get a select-fire M16 (that the U.S. sold to the Mexican government), a kilo of **** and a 16 year old Mexican hooker. It's all in what ya want, I guess. Preferences and such.

What Barrack, Chuck "Amy's ******" Schumer, Di Feinstein, Babs Boxer, Debs Wasserman-Schultz and all the rest of them need to do is tell their boy, Mayor Rahm, to go after the armed street gangs in Chicago and tell the police to stop letting them go when they're caught carrying firearms. They are truly engaging in urban warfare in that city and innocent ******** aren't safe to walk to school. ***** is literally running in the street. Why the silence??? WHY?! We only hear about that if one of the **** happened to send a letter or meet the POTUS once upon a time... then NOTHING! Yeah, hell... let's get crazy. Let's think outside the box. Let's actually try enforcing the laws that are already on the books (before we devote any more meaningless words to blank sheets of paper) and see if that doesn't do something. What a novel idea! Will that stop the shark attacks, I mean, random shootings committed by nut jobs? Maybe not. They're sad, sad incidents. But as I said, they're small, statistical outliers. But would it deal with the majority of *** crime categories that most affect Americans? Yep! Sure would.

When I see these soft-talking, two-faced politicians herding street gang members into pens, then we can have a sit-down about what all I've got in my *** safe... then and only then!
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Great post Rey. It's amazing how uninformed the most outspoken opponents of *** control really are...and some just blatant liars. Less then 1% of *** ******** in this country is committed with semi automatic rifles. California has laws limiting them to 10 rounds, and they aren't allowed to be detachable, yet gangs and cartels continually move them around, and through California. When Clinton was president, he gave a chunk of land to China, to be sovereign land, not far from one of our largest naval bases. I wonder how many containers of cheap AK's came through that port? As I've said before, quit making more laws, and enforce the ones we have. I'm tired of seeing people that should be serving hard time, get there third or fourth chance, when they should rotting in prison, and then hearing how MY GUNS need to go, because some asshole, that should have been dealt with long ago, committed ANOTHER crime, and used a "scarey" assault weapon, or was able to shoot 5 people, because he had a ****** that holds more then one musket ball. None of these politicians give one stinking rats ass about anyone's life, but their own...they wouldn't **** on a burning *****, to put him out, *** control is nothing more then an exertion of power, by a group of scared little tyrants, that know were not going to give up as easily as they had hoped. I applaud the citizens of New York that are refusing to turn in their guns, or provide the state with the required information. More citizens need to send that message.

Now this assclown is eligible for the death penalty, which I feel he should get...but when? !0 years, maybe 15? That's the problem right there. Take him into a room, adjacent to the main courtroom, put him on his knees, and put a round in the back of his head.
 
So you are suggesting that the police allow black gangsters to go free when they are caught with guns? Really? Do YOU have some proof of that outrageously ridiculous statement?

Their will always be street crime. But how many *** deaths are there in other *** countries like Switzerland where many own guns but getting one is not easy. Again, I'M NOT ASKING TO MAKE THEM *******!!!!!!!!! I'm saying we need to make it harder to get them for the knuckleheads. Why are YOU or ANYONE not a knucklehead against that?

The greatest parable in history is the one that suggests you walk a mile in someone's shoes before making a decision. I think You Might consider doing that yourself. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who just lost a ***** or wife or ****** to a lunatic who bought $15,000 worth of ammo and body armor online with no questions asked when a simple instant background check would have flagged them and stopped that sale. You would think differently.

The right wants to stop all screening, and cut funding for mental health care. When you have untreated psychopaths who can go online and buy whatever they want to carry out some crazy fantasy in a public place you have a very bad recipe.
 
So you are suggesting that the police allow black gangsters to go free when they are caught with guns? Really? Do YOU have some proof of that outrageously ridiculous statement?

Their will always be street crime. But how many *** deaths are there in other *** countries like Switzerland where many own guns but getting one is not easy. Again, I'M NOT ASKING TO MAKE THEM *******!!!!!!!!! I'm saying we need to make it harder to get them for the knuckleheads. Why are YOU or ANYONE not a knucklehead against that?

The greatest parable in history is the one that suggests you walk a mile in someone's shoes before making a decision. I think You Might consider doing that yourself. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who just lost a ***** or wife or ****** to a lunatic who bought $15,000 worth of ammo and body armor online with no questions asked when a simple instant background check would have flagged them and stopped that sale. You would think differently.

The right wants to stop all screening, and cut funding for mental health care. When you have untreated psychopaths who can go online and buy whatever they want to carry out some crazy fantasy in a public place you have a very bad recipe.

Again white devil is right, which gangs have access to black market full auto ******* ak 47s? You know the answer so don't pretend that you don't. Even mexican and black gangs can get the latest body armors and latest assault rifles through forbidden chanels but you seem to live in fantasy world not in the real world. You know **** about Switzerland, a part of my ****** lives and two of my distant cousins served in the swiss army. The swiss have citizen soldiers and you can even buy a full auto machine *** legally if you are part of a *** club. Every citizen soldier has a sig SG 552 or a sig stg 510 assault rifle in their safe. The ones who are involved in gangs in the US and who ***** of easy money and acting like a thug with ******** get what they deserve. Some people who are perfectly sane and who are just *** enthusiasts buy an expensive firearms and you dare to call them lunatics, seriously :wtf: Let's hope that the BATF never finds that you own a full auto AK47. See who rots in, jail and where they come from and you will be able to make valid conclusions about who is more a trouble to the society or not.
 
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and also La Milano what do you do about this? http://clashdaily.com/2015/08/in-me...white-cop-and-obama-wont-say-squat-about-it/# You give these people a free pass, right???
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I know some Democrats that are for *** control, but I know more that aren't. It's a conservative straw man that "democrats want to take your guns" anyway because the few democrats I know that favor "*** control" want tighter laws, not a *** grab. I'm pro-2nd Amendment without restriction, that means that every American citizen has the right to whatever they can get their hands on. I'm also pro-harsh punishment for committing crimes with guns, however, after a person is released from custody they should still have every right they had before incarcerated. Does that make me a "***-grabbin' librul"? When the 2nd Amendment was written firearms technology was advancing in leaps and bounds. Our Founding Fathers weren't oblivious to the technical innovations being made and had the wisdom and foresight to write the 2nd Amendment in unambiguous language, people can argue whatever line they want, the 2nd Amendment is crystal clear, "The right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed." There are no caveats or qualifiers, no clause for disenfranchisement for convicted felons, no restrictions for anybody. When a felon is IN CUSTODY that person has no access to firearms, and that's fine, but once released and the "state" is satisfied that the debt to society has been paid there should be no further punishment and taking away a Constitutional right can be defined no other way than ongoing punishment, it's unconstitutional and it's morally wrong. No American citizen should have to be continually punished for any crime, once the "state" has decided any given person has either paid for their crime or been "rehabilitated" punishment should end and records sealed and only available to *************** and only under certain circumstances. I believe the Status Quo is unconstitutional, ********* the 8th Amendment, maybe JustBC can weigh in on the legality and constitutionality aspects.
 
Excessive bail is pushed to it's limits all the time. But fortunately another judge can reduce it if they choose, so there is some check in place to protect your rights. It's not perfect but at least it is an option.

I think non violent felons should have their right to vote and right to bear arms reinstated after serving their time and probationary period.

Violent criminals in my opinion relinquish all rights to participate in electing officials or to own a firearm due to the fact that they have in essence renounced their citizenship through actions that pose a great danger to society. I believe it is completely constitutional to restrict violent offenders from participating in the election process or not bring deemed trustworthy to own a firearm. Nor should law abiding citizens be ****** to trust that they are rehabilitated.
 

GodsEmbryo

Closed Account
Discussions like these usually involve "all guns should be ******" or "no guns should be ******" but I wonder if there is some way of compromise... So an open question for all: what should be done to on one hand let people enjoy their rights, and on the other hand make it impossible for "the bad guys" to get guns? (*** ******** in the USA is pretty high so present laws/restrictions/registrations... are not adequate enough)
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Excessive bail is pushed to it's limits all the time. But fortunately another judge can reduce it if they choose, so there is some check in place to protect your rights. It's not perfect but at least it is an option.

I think non violent felons should have their right to vote and right to bear arms reinstated after serving their time and probationary period.

Violent criminals in my opinion relinquish all rights to participate in electing officials or to own a firearm due to the fact that they have in essence renounced their citizenship through actions that pose a great danger to society. I believe it is completely constitutional to restrict violent offenders from participating in the election process or not bring deemed trustworthy to own a firearm. Nor should law abiding citizens be ****** to trust that they are rehabilitated.

Being an American Citizen comes before any crime a person may commit, and breaking a law isn't the same as renouncing one's citizenship. Particularly in this day and age when criminal justice has become an industry and *************** nothing more than another way to levy taxes taking away any American's Liberty should be resisted by everyone because anyone could be next. As I stated above, the punishments should be harsh, but once a felon is released from custody ongoing punishment is, in my eyes, unconstitutional. Please explain why punishment should be for life. Free Men don't ask for permission to bear arms, and also as I said above, there are no caveats, qualifiers, or restrictions in the 2nd Amendment.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I know some Democrats that are for *** control, but I know more that aren't. It's a conservative straw man that "democrats want to take your guns" anyway because the few democrats I know that favor "*** control" want tighter laws, not a *** grab. I'm pro-2nd Amendment without restriction, that means that every American citizen has the right to whatever they can get their hands on. I'm also pro-harsh punishment for committing crimes with guns, however, after a person is released from custody they should still have every right they had before incarcerated. Does that make me a "***-grabbin' librul"? When the 2nd Amendment was written firearms technology was advancing in leaps and bounds. Our Founding Fathers weren't oblivious to the technical innovations being made and had the wisdom and foresight to write the 2nd Amendment in unambiguous language, people can argue whatever line they want, the 2nd Amendment is crystal clear, "The right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed." There are no caveats or qualifiers, no clause for disenfranchisement for convicted felons, no restrictions for anybody. When a felon is IN CUSTODY that person has no access to firearms, and that's fine, but once released and the "state" is satisfied that the debt to society has been paid there should be no further punishment and taking away a Constitutional right can be defined no other way than ongoing punishment, it's unconstitutional and it's morally wrong. No American citizen should have to be continually punished for any crime, once the "state" has decided any given person has either paid for their crime or been "rehabilitated" punishment should end and records sealed and only available to *************** and only under certain circumstances. I believe the Status Quo is unconstitutional, ********* the 8th Amendment, maybe JustBC can weigh in on the legality and constitutionality aspects.

I agree, only to the extent of, non-violent, or offenders that have not used a firearm to commit the crime. If someone serves time for attempted ******, during an armed robbery, I don't believe they can be trusted with a firearm, however, if someone is peaceably arrested with say a kilo of ****, but no *** was involved, I agree with your statement. I say this because many times, *** ******** is committed by repeat offenders. Those are part of the reason some of the harshest *** grabbers want even the most tame of weapons, or more importantly, want registration and permits. I would rather see an offender lose his rights, then I be subject to have to undergo the intrusion of permits and registration.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Can someone point me to the part of the constitution that says criminals forfeit their constitutional rights? I'm saying that no one should have to register or get permits for anything, but prison sentences should be long for those that commit *** crimes. If they can punish felons for the rest of their lives, and they do, what's to keep them from punishing misdemeanor and traffic crimes the same way at some point in the future?
 
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