*** laws : what would you accept ?

[Johan]

You use the phrase "what if" an awful lot. What if, they pass the strictest *** laws EVER....and criminals still **** thousands of people with guns? What if the people that don't need guns, because MY TAX DOLLARS pay the secret service agents that protect them, no longer have protection. It's easy for these idiots to scream about what we "Need", when they have the best security in the world. Lets see obamas **** get on a school buss alone, and go to a public school. Lets see his silly square ass drive his own standard car to the store for a pack of smokes. These fucking people scream loud, then hide behind a fairy tail life....they're all spineless little pussy's....let's see these motherfuckers face the people they've screwed over time, and time again, without the high priced, heavily armed back up they have at their finger tips.

I won't answer these questions. I never asked for "the strictest *** laws EVER". I asked for laws that would prevent criminals to get their guns legaly, prevent crazy people to get their hands on guns, wether they buy them or take some relative's ***.

But you're the one who asked for teachers to have guns, so, since you seelms not to like "what if", I'm gonna rephrase the question :
How can you be sure no teacher will ever snap and start shooting the students ?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I won't answer these questions. I never asked for "the strictest *** laws EVER". I asked for laws that would prevent criminals to get their guns legaly, prevent crazy people to get their hands on guns, wether they buy them or take some relative's ***.

But you're the one who asked for teachers to have guns, so, since you seelms not to like "what if", I'm gonna rephrase the question :
How can you be sure no teacher will ever snap and start shooting the students ?

How can you be sure, is no different then what if. How can you be sure a teacher carrying a ***, won't save lives? The answer is you can't. You can't be sure of anything....the school bus driver could loose control of the bus, and sail over a cliff. I refuse under any circumstance to deny ANY right, because of "what if", or "how do you know" MILLIONS of *** owners EVERYDAY, handle, and shoot these exact types of weapons, without incident. They deserve to have their rights preserved, not eroded.

 

[Shifty]

How can you be sure, is no different then what if. How can you be sure a teacher carrying a ***, won't save lives? The answer is you can't. You can't be sure of anything....the school bus driver could loose control of the bus, and sail over a cliff. I refuse under any circumstance to deny ANY right, because of "what if", or "how do you know" MILLIONS of *** owners EVERYDAY, handle, and shoot these exact types of weapons, without incident. They deserve to have their rights preserved, not eroded.

Armed teachers. This is your solution?

Again, I ask you: Is this how you wish to live?

 

[georges]

Also you forgot to add one option in your list, but it would be impossibility to own and buy a *** to anyone against the second amendment and anyone sharing/supporting socialist beliefs

 

[Sam Fisher]

Rearm, Not Disarm

Socialists convince many able Americans that government should monopolize use of *****, even where law recognizes our natural right of self-defense.

Incrementally, they have limited corporal punishment, demonizing *** advocacy; and every generation plots to disarm law-abiding citizens at the expense of true public safety.

Ironically, liberal elected officials, including this president, have legions of armed police and service personnel for their personal protection. Average Americans have police and military service personnel protecting them too- just not personally. They protect us collectively and thus aren't responsible for our individual survival.

Personal safety is just that, a personal responsibility.

Within federal, state, and local guidelines, responsible Americans arm themselves, not in preparation for their best ‘OK Corral’ imitation.

We arm ourselves to keep the precious peace until relieved by *************** in rare instances when words aren't enough. Allowing socialists to reload conditioned helplessness as now meaning literal helpless means the communist conquest of America is complete.

Those believing otherwise had better be vigilant because the Second Amendment is in real danger. And so is everything we hold dear!

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[Jagger69]

I don't see anything wrong with any of those proposals. It's not like any of them are ways to take guns out of the hands of citizens. They are just ways to promote responsible *** ownership. If somehow one of my guns was responsible for a crime I would be crushed.

Agree. How does any of this differ from many other facets of life that require some sort of regulation? The "right to be bear arms" doesn't mean there is no oversight and the establishment of some sort of oversight doesn't mean a revocation of those rights contained in the second amendment. Problem is, the *** lobby wants totally unrestricted access to any type of weapon that can be found.

I had to pass a fucking background check as a condition for employment for the current job I have yet I can buy any weapon I want without any qualification? How ridiculous is that? :dunno:

 

[Mr. Daystar]

After further consideration, I did check an option. Mandatory that you buy a safe to store your weapons in. I think whether you own a $100 derringer, or a $5000 rifle. It should be locked in a safe, when you aren't out shooting, or carrying legally.

And not a cheesy cabinet....a several hundred pound safe, that can't be easily carried out of your home.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Johan, the fascist French, always worried about us Americans.

Love how all the foreigners (Canadian and European alike) come out of the woodwork after a tragedy like this because they care so much about us evil Americans. Pathetic.

Don't like what's happening in our country, don't bother coming here. That is all.

As far as I know Norway has some of the most strict laws in the West. Didn't stop Anders Breivik from gunning down 69 in the worst shooting in the West's history. Funny that didn't happen on this side of the pond.

 

[Rattrap]

As far as I know Norway has some of the most strict laws in the West. Didn't stop Anders Breivik from gunning down 69 in the worst shooting in the West's history. Funny that didn't happen on this side of the pond.

This comparison gets you nowhere. What happened in Norway was of course horrific - but can you tell me the last time something like that happened in Norway?

I can't tell you. Because every list of these events I looked at only lists that one for Norway. When it happened, I think I read somewhere mentioning the 60's, maybe? Certainly not in the last 25 years:
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Etc., etc. I don't think Norway has got it wrong, as you're implying.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

This comparison gets you nowhere. What happened in Norway was of course horrific - but can you tell me the last time something like that happened in Norway?

I can't tell you. Because every list of these events I looked at only lists that one for Norway. When it happened, I think I read somewhere mentioning the 60's, maybe? Certainly not in the last 25 years:
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Etc., etc. I don't think Norway has got it wrong, as you're implying.

Point is they have STRICTER laws, yet he offed almost three times as many as this demonic fuck did in Newtown.

At the end of the day, my thoughts lie with how sick and twisted American culture has become. Make no mistake, Barry is going to ride this **** right into the ground. "Assault" weapons ban? Okay. Still remember, Colombine occured during the era of an assault weapons ban, and I reckon had those screwballs recruited only one or two more "trenchcoat mafia" demons, their carnage would have been equally, if not more, tragic than Newtown.

And **** like this makes me more and more believe in a NWO intent on making us an unarmed country with which to turn us into modern-day mice.

 

[Rattrap]

Point is they have STRICTER laws, yet he offed almost three times as many as this demonic fuck did in Newtown.

My point is that these two things are not causally linked, and barely even correlated. Sales of ice cream and drownings follow the same annual trend; that doesn't mean ice cream causes drownings.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

My point is that these two things are not causally linked, and barely even correlated. Sales of ice cream and drownings follow the same annual trend; that doesn't mean ice cream causes drownings.

I don't agree. Half of all American homes have a firearm (300M in total) yet a mass shooting, considering that stat, has never even really come close to Breivik's number of ***** (not to mention how many he injured).

 

[Rattrap]

I don't agree. Half of all American homes have a firearm (300M in total) yet a mass shooting, considering that stat, has never even really come close to Breivik's number of ***** (not to mention how many he injured).

There's a big difference between a remote island and the city. And if those 300 million weapons were a deterrent or even a protection, why are the shooters only 'stopped' by their own guns? It doesn't add up.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

There's a big difference between a remote island and the city. And if those 300 million weapons were a deterrent or even a protection, why are the shooters only 'stopped' by their own guns? It doesn't add up.

Remote island is comparable to a cramped mall, school or football stadium though. Shooters (criminals) are stopped every day by legal *** owners. Legal *** owners (85 million) rarely ****. It's the MSM sensationalizing that loves to omit this information though. (Not going to dig up sources, but feel free to Google your heart away.) I'm off to buy 1K .22LR for my SR22.

 

[Rattrap]

Remote island is comparable to a cramped mall, school or football stadium though.

...that's not even kind of true. Factoring in police response times, population densities, hell, physical layout... :dunno:

Listen, I know you want to make a point, and you're happy to grab whatever might even look like it fits to make it. There's plenty out there to choose from. This is not one.

 

[Sam Fisher]

:dunno:

 

[Rey C.]

I had to pass a fucking background check as a condition for employment for the current job I have yet I can buy any weapon I want without any qualification? How ridiculous is that? :dunno:

But unless you're talking about a private sale, you do have to pass a background check to purchase a modern (post 1898?) cartridge firearm in the U.S. Even something like a domestic ******** misdemeanor conviction or a dishonorable discharge from the military (maybe just because you stole some candy from the PX - I know a guy like that) will disqualify you.

But I am in favor of finding better/more effective ways to weed out those who have criminal and mental health issues from purchasing or possessing firearms. Clamping down on states that have not updated their court databases, so that the national background check system is more accurate, is a good start, IMO. Even after the Gifford shooting, I've read that Arizona is still dragging ass on this. :nono:

 

[Sam Fisher]

Here in Colorado, when you purchase a firearm from a *** shop, whether it be a ******, rifle, or shotgun your driver's license info is sent via computer to the CBI (Colorado Bureau of Investigation) and depending on how busy it is, usually, within 30 minutes the buyer is approved or refused. If your record shows you were in a mental hospital or, if you have been arrested for spousal *****, ***** *****, ******* **** use, or any other crime, you will be denied.

If you buy a firearm from an online *** store, they will only send the *** to a verified *** shop and in order to be able to pick it up after paying for it, again you will have to send your information to the CBI for approval, just like the above example.

Colorado also allows for open carry. However, if you enter a place of business you can be asked to leave.

Colorado also allows concealed carry. A person wanting to legally carry concealed is required to take a class on firearms and safety, to know the laws, take a written test, and then if you pass the written test you are taken to a *** range and required to shoot six or seven rounds at a target the distance of 15 feet, and then six or seven rounds at a distance of 25 feet. Each distance repeated twice. If you don't hit the silhouette you don't pass. Also, if you demonstrate careless handling of your firearm and don't pay attention to the Range Master's commands, you will be told to leave.

The class typically costs anywhere from $65 to $90.

 

[Sam Fisher]

If you choose to carry concealed, you will have to go to the local Sheriff's office and apply. Seems like it was $100 when I did it. It is good for 4 years and then if you want to continue to carry concealed, you will have to renew your license with the Sheriff's office for $15. You are photographed and given a card that resembles that of a drivers license, except that it says CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.

 

[bobjustbob]

NYC has one of strictest laws in the country yet the average citizen can still have one. A restricted license for home protection. A restricted license for business protection. Both are easy to get. Everything you do with it like transporting it has strict rules. Certain people can have carry permits. Colorado has the same sort of monitoring going on. They just make the process easier to do. So it's not like anyone can walk into a 7-11 and buy a *** like a pack of gum. You are checked out before it gets put into your hand