DOMA Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Appeals Court

[bobjustbob]

Ummm...yeah, so how do you account for the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause then. You know, the one that states that you can't give one group protection or privileges (with the exceptions of them being convicted felons or non-adults and even then in a pretty limited degree) under the law that you deny others, like for example, allowing one segment of the population to be able to marry and another to not be able to. So it's not the Federal Government or the States government telling the other side anything. It's the Constitution, the supreme law of the land and the basis of which our entire country's legal structure is based on, that they both agreed to that's binding them. Or at least it should be.

For that matter how do you explain away the Constitution’s "Full Faith and Credit Clause" that states have to recognize each others public acts, records and so forth.

Constitutionally, either everybody adult can marry another adult or nobody can, and as long as either the federal government or the states recognize a marriage they all must do so.

D-rock, what are you talking about? It is equal protection under the law for all citizens. It doesn't say anything about groups. If a law is written in a state then all citizens are subject to it. If you want to talk about groups how about the age to get married? Every state sets their own guidelines. Same with common law. Your sate decides how you file your federal return. married or not. I'm not saying if I am for or against it, but there is nothing at the federal level that regulates this.

AMENDMENT XIV
****** by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


BobJustBob.

 

[Will E Worm]

Worm the only violations to the Constitution have come from your side. As to your Civil War, nutless shitheads like yourself tend to be all bark and no bite. The constitution also guarantees religious freedom for all not just over caffeinated Christians. There will never be a civil war in this country because the minute someone as dim as yourself posts rhetoric on the internet of that nature it gets the N.S.A.'s attention fool. Oh yeah you just did that........ Was that a knock on your door???? Bye Bye cupcake.

Many people say there will be another war in this country. It will happen unless they stop expanding the federal government and stop taking away rights.

Caffinated Christians never heard of that group. Right to have a religion. Not the right to bring in Shira law or anything like it.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence. The document that declared our separation from England. It is not a law or in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

You told him. :yesyes:

 

[StanScratch]

Many people say there will be another war in this country. It will happen unless they stop expanding the federal government and stop taking away rights.

Caffinated Christians never heard of that group. Right to have a religion. Not the right to bring in Shira law or anything like it.



You told him. :yesyes:

Taking away rights? You mean the right for homosexuals to get married?

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Worm you scream socialist! Yet you and your kind stink of fascism. America is all about open debate and cooperation. The minute its my way or the highway you join some seriously evil company.

I know this falls on deaf angry ears but fuck it and you.

 

[xfire]

I see our Asshat of the Year is using his official signal of defeat quite liberally in this thread. Here you go, Asshat, a tribute to you- .

 

[Will E Worm]

Taking away rights? You mean the right for homosexuals to get married?

They never had the right. I don't know why anyone thinks the state has the right to tell anyone who can marry.

Get married if you want. No one needs a state license to marry.

Worm you scream socialist! Yet you and your kind stink of fascism. America is all about open debate and cooperation. The minute its my way or the highway you join some seriously evil company.

I know this falls on deaf angry ears but fuck it and you.

No one who "sinks" into Fascism is a Republican.

A Constitutional Republican is a different story. We are guaranteed a Republican form of government.

Learn how not to be rude. :nono:

I see our Asshat of the Year is using his official signal of defeat quite liberally in this thread. Here you go, Asshat, a tribute to you- .

When will you have an actual comment that contributes? Not comments that just ****** like a troll?

 

[xfire]

When will you have an actual comment that contributes? Not comments that just ****** a troll?

I contribute a great deal, thank you, and when you're rolling and trolling you can expect me to smack you down, Asshat.

 

[Mayhem]

Many people say there will be another war in this country.

No Will, they don't. A very few people say that and they all live in cabins in Arizona.

 

[Justaman]

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

I think the part in bold should apply for this issue. Marriage isn't a federal issue or a state issue. It's between the two people who want to get married. Government should have no say in the private lives of its citizens as long as said private lives do not infringe on the rights or property of others. In this case, they most certainly do not so the answer seems pretty obvious to me.

Isn't this supposed be be the "land of liberty"? :dunno: Whatever happened to that idea?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

If they didn't act so stupid about their antics I'd be a little more supportive. **** like glittering politicians or pundits they disagree with, smearing people online with which they disagree and flaming in their parades irks me to no end. You want respect, act like fucking adults you clowns.

 

[Justaman]

If they didn't act so stupid about their antics I'd be a little more supportive. **** like glittering politicians or pundits they disagree with, smearing people online with which they disagree and flaming in their parades irks me to no end. You want respect, act like fucking adults you clowns.

It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with basic human rights so your subjectivity has nothing to do with it. Disrespect 'em, hell, **** 'em but don't deny them the same rights you and I have. It's that simple from my perspective.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with basic human rights so your subjectivity has nothing to do with it. Disrespect 'em, hell, **** 'em but don't deny them the same rights you and I have. It's that simple from my perspective.

My point is if you act like five year old's that's the sort of sit-in-the-corner response you're going to get when you are less than 10 percent of the population.

 

[Mandy Flores]

Please...can't we all just get along?? All I know is I can TOTALLY understand wanting to suck cock, and I love cock in my ass, so why wouldn't a dude like it, it would feel the same to a dude as it does to me ?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Mandy,

I've met enough of them living in the area by the area that's pretty much known as the "gay capital" of the Midwest. I've actually met more butch chicks in the area in my life than I have effeminate dudes, FWIW. I've had gay dude teachers in HS and butch female and I don't doubt they have trouble in their everyday lives. Hell my neighbors just two doors down are a couple butch lesbians and just up the road there is another couple. They're very interesting individuals, but I can't say they aren't nice when I've run into them. They've actually always been very cordial and nice when I've ran into the. But it's this segment that have the aforementioned traits I have issues with. It's all so elementary to me, that crowd.

 

[Mandy Flores]

I will say this much, as far as everyday life, of course no one should stop them from getting married. If you believe in God, then you would know...if He did not want to allow it, it would not happen. Christians need to read their Bibles a little closer, and need to remove the plank from their own eyes. On another note....if I like having sex with my 6ft teddy bear I don't need to re arrange my whole life around it, tell every last person I do that....... by acting all teddy bear-ish and saying accept me doing this in front of you, and let it dictate my entire life because I fuck something other than a man. Here's my bear in the background, his cock is HUGE!

 

[Mayhem]

Mandy,

I've met enough of them living in the area by the area that's pretty much known as the "gay capital" of the Midwest. I've actually met more butch chicks in the area in my life than I have effeminate dudes, FWIW. I've had gay dude teachers in HS and butch female and I don't doubt they have trouble in their everyday lives. Hell my neighbors just two doors down are a couple butch lesbians and just up the road there is another couple. They're very interesting individuals, but I can't say they aren't nice when I've run into them. They've actually always been very cordial and nice when I've ran into the. But it's this segment that have the aforementioned traits I have issues with. It's all so elementary to me, that crowd.

OK, I'm confused. Who exactly are you pissed at? Gays, or gays that act in a way that you disaprove of?

I'm "arguing" with you, but I completely agree on the glitterbombing. Counter-productive and stoopid.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

gays that act in a way that you disaprove of?.

...

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

One of the things I like about living in Canada is that we didn't get stalled on the whole "is gay marriage provincial or federal jurisdiction" issue and just declared it legal. The debate over it in the States is so heated that people forget that, when it comes down to it, it is a completely insignificant aspect of society to the people that it doesn't effect. It's just an accepted thing here in Canada now and people just don't care anymore because hey, the world didn't end and as it turned out homosexuality wasn't the source of all evil in the world. If gay marriage became permanently legal in the States, it'd be a non-issue in a year or two, just like it was here.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

One of the things I like about living in Canada is that we didn't get stalled on the whole "is gay marriage provincial or federal jurisdiction" issue and just declared it legal. The debate over it in the States is so heated that people forget that, when it comes down to it, it is a completely insignificant aspect of society to the people that it doesn't effect. It's just an accepted thing here in Canada now and people just don't care anymore because hey, the world didn't end and as it turned out homosexuality wasn't the source of all evil in the world. If gay marriage became permanently legal in the States, it'd be a non-issue in a year or two, just like it was here.

Sad to say it has become the religious rights tactic to 'motivate' their side into a frenzy about worthless, unimportant, non-issues to distract them from the real problems facing them. Gay marriage is just another case of this. Hopefully the people of this country will start doing whats best for all of us instead of being led around by the nose just for the purpose of letting a corporation make a little more money or to further the interests of one religious organization.

 

[mikexmoran]

I'm SLOOOOOWWWLLLY learning not to get involved in debates between teabaggers and libtards.