Handcuffed man tasered 9 times in 14 mins., died.

[Friday on my mind]

well you're lucky then. I've probably been pulled over a dozen times, and the only citation I have ever received was when I forgot to turn my headlights on in an area so well lit that I didn't even notice, and got a nice 100 dollar fine for it.

I'll always remember the time that me and a friend were pulled over, we were asked to step out of the vehicle and patted down, the car was searched. the cops didn't find anything, there wasn't anything. and the cops said "Ok. you are free to go" and never told us why they had pulled us over in the first place. were were young and knew to always cooperate with the police, even if it's wrong.

now maybe i'd say let me see a warrant or shove it up your ass, maybe not. maybe I wouldn't want to get tasored. or worse, cuz I've seen a cop reaching for his *** a few times too, that made me stop and think twice.

Ask a cop a question like "don't you need probable cause to search my car" and you are very possibly going to get an answer like "you watch too much TV". Especially if you are young and even more so for any minority.
At least that the kind of thing we heard as young guys with long hair back in the day.I doubt its changed much.

 

[Torre82]

so according to you all people that live in the "ghetto" are there by choice, are criminals, and it's because of their race.

I hope that you are trying to make a joke. that is one of the most ignorant and offensive posts I've heard on this board.

According to you, you assumed I seriously meant all people and that makes an ass out of only you.

Are you ignorant of my other 3,000 posts which arent always serious?

Are you on the offensive because we're here bashing *all* cops as evil/crooked/overzealous-with-tasers and I decided to lump *all* people in the ghetto/high-crime/holy-damn-I-moved-and-it-never-happened-again, fuck me that's evidence.. together?

Waggling your confused finger at my joke isn't going to stop crime, tasering, or witch-hunts in salem. It will, however cause me to quote your words in bold and then I reply in a slightly mocking manner. Sarcasm towards a subject like this one shows my distaste for it. As much as I'd like to slap each cop with an itchy trigger finger.. I cant. I dont want to get mad, and I dont believe a long, drawn-out lecture on a message board will change jack ****. Therefore.. I make a joke whether or not people find it in good taste to spite the situation because that.. is the best I can do. Hopefully even 5% of the people that read my post will laugh right after they get a frown from reading a true news story like this tasering bullshit and THAT.. is a useful contribution in my opinion.

And that, is my overexplanation. Take it easy.

 

[senob44]

Obviously there's not gonna be any evidence. What evidence do you want? It shouldn't affect the ruling, so make your best judgement. If a Palestinian bombs a bus in Jerusalem, you assume it was a terrorist ****** to **** Jews, right? Why do you assume that? What if there's no evidence? Honestly, you know as well as I do we both and the world alike would assume it was still a terrorist ******, if it was shown that he was a Palestinian with a backpack of explosives. That would be enough.

White cop, black man in handcuffs, begging not to be tasered, 9 taserings, twice while ***********, dead black man... it seems pretty clear to me. We'll never know, but I have a good idea of what happened, especially *in context*.

Like I said, spend a month as a black man in Louisiana, then go back to Jersey and I will wager any amount of money that you will never again doubt that such an ****** was *most likely* because of race.

Nobody claimed they could prove it. I wouldn't blame you for thinking the Palestinian bomber was trying to **** Jewish people, and you can't blame me for thinking this was racial. Can you, really?

OK, OK. First of all, I do not blame anyone for having the opinion that this was a racial incident. I'm sorry if I made it seem that way. All I am stating is that I really don't know (at least not without further evidence) if this was a racial incident. I've stated my reasons why I think this. I basically wanted to throw up some "caution" and say that let's not automatically assume it is racial. This could have even been a racist cop, but that doesn't necessarily mean this was racially motivated. Maybe he's just a "tough guy" cop or had a bad day or was mentally inbalanced at the time. These are not excuses for what he did, merely possible reasons.

The reason why this issue of whether this was racially motivated or not, is such a big issue is because of federal ****-crime statutes. In order to charge someone with a ****-crime, there needs to be evidence. I see very little chance of this officer being charged with a **** crime. I think even those of you who think this was a **** crime would agree. And that is not because of a corrupt legal system, or that the guy is a cop, or that the victim is black. It is because there is no evidence. That's where I get the backbone of my argument. With these things, I prefer to go by the letter of the law. I just would not want someone to be labeled as a racist, who committed a **** crime, when there is a chance that might not be the case. If we are unsure at all that this is a racial bias case, then we cannot jump to that conclusion and charge the officer as such.

But once again, he should be charged with something and do some serious time. I think we can agree on that.

 

[calpoon]

who would have guessed that people were sensitive about racism?

I think even more than any bi-partisan issue, this is one that makes people hot headed and pushes their buttons. Do people always think totally level headed?maybe not. Do people react emotionally? yes.

I can respect your cool attitude and wanting to see the facts straight Senob. that is surely the best policy. But you have to understand why some people might be getting riled up about it, and they aren't necessarily wrong, or unwarranted IMO, to do so.

maybe we are being harsh, and not giving the officer the full benefit of the doubt that he deserves- that only serves to highlight the history of past ****** that are still so fresh and searing that would lead us to think that.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Just read some of it,just disgusting and totally unjustified.Then they lie about it through their teeth.And sorry about the offended white folks but do you seriously think his being black was not in play here?

I'm not offended. I feel tickled. Seriously, I do sense a great deal of self-loathing in you . At times you just come off as this Ivy-League left-wing yuppie who was indoctrinated by some commies over on the east coast. Meanwhile, (maybe) your folks had the country club membership, the yacht and the 5 car garage. :dunno:

I don't feel guilty about ****. I would like to ask where anyone was when these white boys I know got their skulls cracked open by a couple cops in a dark alley in my city not long ago because they were "out of line." What about all the times I was pulled over because I "fit a description" or because I had my music too loud or some other nonsense? What about the Officer who illegaly searched my house after I had a bash when they cuffed my friend in the squad and no one was in my residence at the time? That was real professional. ( I won't bore you with a list of other stories from "the hood")

Stuff happens. It happens to people of all color.

That said, I've said it on other threads; when police are blatantly out of line, they should be dealt with. I'm not talking about "mistakes." I'm talking about blatant excessive *****.

 

[Supafly]

I find it strange that some of you really try to find an excuse for the tasering of someone in bonds.

If policemen aren't capable to control someone who is on the ground in handcuffs, they aren't in the right job. If they can't control themselves when someone isn't obeying at a snap, they have the wrong job. If they taser *********** people, they not only have the wrong job, they aren't even fit to wear ANY kind of weapons.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I'm not offended. I feel tickled. Seriously, I do sense a great deal of self-loathing in you . At times you just come off as this Ivy-League left-wing yuppie who was indoctrinated by some commies over on the east coast. Meanwhile, (maybe) your folks had the country club membership, the yacht and the 5 car garage. :dunno:

I don't feel guilty about ****. I would like to ask where anyone was when these white boys I know got their skulls cracked open by a couple cops in a dark alley in my city not long ago because they were "out of line." What about all the times I was pulled over because I "fit a description" or because I had my music too loud or some other nonsense? What about the Officer who illegaly searched my house after I had a bash when they cuffed my friend in the squad and no one was in my residence at the time? That was real professional. ( I won't bore you with a list of other stories from "the hood")

Stuff happens. It happens to people of all color.

That said, I've said it on other threads; when police are blatantly out of line, they should be dealt with. I'm not talking about "mistakes." I'm talking about blatant excessive *****.

First let me say you could not be more wrong about what my economic status.Middle class to lower middle class upbringing,not poor but not well off at all.And I never said whites are not subject to police *****,been there done that myself.I guess a white though who tells the truth of discrimination against minorities will always be described as self loathing.That is just a way white supremicists try to keep members of the white majority in line who they see as being out of line.You have made it very clear with your talk of preserving america's european based culture where your coming from.A working class white resentfull and dis-trusting of minorities and immigrants.

 

[calpoon]

there's a real simple solution to this problem: if you don't want people to think you're a racist don't go around beating the **** out of people of different races.

also sticking up for such people doesn't help either.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

First let me say you could not be more wrong about what my economic status.Middle class to lower middle class upbringing,not poor but not well off at all.And I never said whites are not subject to police *****,been there done that myself.I guess a white though who tells the truth of discrimination against minorities will always be described as self loathing.That is just a way white supremicists try to keep members of the white majority in line who they see as being out of line.You have made it very clear with your talk of preserving america's european based culture where your coming from.A working class white resentfull and dis-trusting of minorities and immigrants.

No, no you haven't a clue. You are trying to make an entire people of one color feel guilty because there are a few bad apples that give them a bad name. You should know by now that I am not a supremacist anything. If you gathered that from my posts (a few really bad ones that we all know of, I admit) then you need to go back to school my friend. I would like to ask you where you were when the African-American cops shot and ****** one of their own like 40 times in NY last year? :dunno: You weren't saying this or that about African-Americans then were you...

You should check out the comedian Jim Norton. He is the least racist guy on the planet but his views are literally (aside from his crude comedy which at times I find a bit disgusting) the same as mine. His show ******* Rain pretty much summed it up.

 

[Friday on my mind]

A few bad apples?

Seriously?

We're talking about a white race that systematically enslaved and officially deemed as second class or subhuman, anyone not of a white race, for centuries, even as recent as for our grandfathers to have been part of it.

There's more than a few bad apples. There's centuries of dogma to get over. Whether you feel guilty or not for what our direct ancestors did, we still (all of us, all races) have to make sure it ends completely as soon as possible, because the after-effects of it dominate the world. That's what starvation in Africa, and poverty/crime among African Americans, is all about. It's an absolute and direct after effect of slavery and colonization.

Well said ,guilt is not the point or solution here.Amazing how some think because some cops are now blacks that they are not capable of being part of the discrimanation themselves.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

A few bad apples?

Seriously?

We're talking about a white race that systematically enslaved and officially deemed as second class or subhuman, anyone not of a white race, for centuries, even as recent as for our grandfathers to have been part of it.

There's more than a few bad apples. There's centuries of dogma to get over. Whether you feel guilty or not for what our direct ancestors did, we still (all of us, all races) have to make sure it ends completely as soon as possible, because the after-effects of it dominate the world. That's what starvation in Africa, and poverty/crime among African Americans, is all about. It's an absolute and direct after effect of slavery and colonization.

I'm sorry Fox, but ALL my ancestors were in northern and eastern Europe at the time of the atrocities committed stateside. Matter of fact, yours were too because I know you are British and Persian. Don't beat yourself up over something some backwoods white trash hillbillies did 400 years ago.

 

[ninetysixcavy]

because some cops are now blacks that they are not capable of being part of the discrimanation themselves.

But your'e not singling them out like others...It's evident. Now because I point that out I get the R word attached to me again. That is pitiful.

 

[Friday on my mind]

But your'e not singling them out like others...It's evident. Now because I point that out I get the R word attached to me again. That is pitiful.

In my 1st post did I single out any cop from another? Black white any color they routinely do these things but especially to certain groups.If you deny that then yes I think that shows bias.