Woman faces 67 counts of sexual assault

[Rey C.]

How old do you have to be to decide not to do this.

In my state, 18.

No one wants to come out and say it, but I know what you guys want to tell me: I should have nailed that 15 year old... and I was being selfish (not being "generous)" in not doing so. I could have shown her things that she will now never see. I could have opened up a new world to her. Now she's probably living in a trailer somewhere with a half grown kid. Heck, it's probably because of my rejection that she ended up with some Levi Johnstone-like loser close to her own age, got knocked up and dropped out of school - then he dumped her. Sure, after a couple of years, I would have dumped her too... cause let's face it, I had/have nothing in common with a 17 year old, much less a 15 year old. But as long as I made it go on for 2 years or so, any resulting blame would have been on her for making a bad decision in "dating" me. Hey, dumbass her. She shouldn't have been strutting around half naked showing her goodies off.

I really do need to get with the times. I'm too old fashioned for my own good, I guess. I taught a few classes over at the local college years ago, and didn't troll for 18-20 year olds then (and a good many of them were damn hot!), but maybe I should do some part time instruction at the local junior high or high school. 13-16 year olds are now in season, it seems. Hey, I know, I could be a girl's basketball coach! Perfect! So how does one go about this, guys? Would you start out by gaining their confidence and making them feel older than they are? Build them up, right? Then ease them into it by showing them all the cool stuff I have and what I can do for them? Maybe a ride home in the Jag after basketball practice and some idle chit chat to get the ball rolling. Yeah, probably put the top down and take the scenic route - that works on adult women, would that work on a teenie bopper too? You guys give me your expert advice. Then mention that I'm looking for a game system and what would she recommend? Maybe she could go to Best Buy with me one weekend and help me pick one out. Then back to my house cause "I don't know how to hook it up." Then a tour of the house. Hey, if that skylight and fireplace in the bedroom will work like a charm on a 30-something adult female, don't ya figure it would work on a 14 or 15 year old? So what should my next move be, fellows? Offer her some milk & cookies or show her the hot tub maybe? And when she says she doesn't have a swimsuit, I say, "hey we're beside the National Forest, no one is around."

OK, so I'm following what the guys here are saying now. And it sounds like one of the most important things I need to do is lay a good, heavy guilt trip on her once I have her in my confidence. Let her know without a doubt that if she tells anybody, all of the fun times END! And it will be HER FAULT! No more hot tub. No more X-box/Playstation. No more little gifts or a $100 bill here and there for "school supplies". Gotta stay away from text/sext messages and taking any kind of pictures too, eh? And I guess prom is out of the question, huh? So basically just hit it for a couple of years and then when she's about to graduate, start grooming another one. She might get pissed, but as long as we've been doing the deed for 2+ years, it's her fault for making bad decisions. Hell of a startegy. Thanks guys! :thumbsup:

I'll have to let people know that if you're a child molester and want to be accepted as a "normal person", you just come to FreeOnes. Wonder if I get some extra FreOnes points if I can recruit 15 or 20 of those National Man/Boy and National Woman/Boy Love Association people?

 

[CadillacD]

In my state, 18.

No one wants to come out and say it, but I know what you guys want to tell me: I should have nailed that 15 year old... and I was being selfish (not being "generous)" in not doing so. I could have shown her things that she will now never see. I could have opened up a new world to her. Now she's probably living in a trailer somewhere with a half grown kid. Heck, it's probably because of my rejection that she ended up with some Levi Johnstone-like loser close to her own age, got knocked up and dropped out of school - then he dumped her. Sure, after a couple of years, I would have dumped her too... cause let's face it, I had/have nothing in common with a 17 year old, much less a 15 year old. But as long as I made it go on for 2 years or so, any resulting blame would have been on her for making a bad decision in "dating" me. Hey, dumbass her. She shouldn't have been strutting around half naked showing her goodies off.

I really do need to get with the times. I'm too old fashioned for my own good, I guess. I taught a few classes over at the local college years ago, and didn't troll for 18-20 year olds then (and a good many of them were damn hot!), but maybe I should do some part time instruction at the local junior high or high school. 13-16 year olds are now in season, it seems. Hey, I know, I could be a girl's basketball coach! Perfect! So how does one go about this, guys? Would you start out by gaining their confidence and making them feel older than they are? Build them up, right? Then ease them into it by showing them all the cool stuff I have and what I can do for them? Maybe a ride home in the Jag after basketball practice and some idle chit chat to get the ball rolling. Yeah, probably put the top down and take the scenic route - that works on adult women, would that work on a teenie bopper too? You guys give me your expert advice. Then mention that I'm looking for a game system and what would she recommend? Maybe she could go to Best Buy with me one weekend and help me pick one out. Then back to my house cause "I don't know how to hook it up." Then a tour of the house. Hey, if that skylight and fireplace in the bedroom will work like a charm on a 30-something adult female, don't ya figure it would work on a 14 or 15 year old? So what should my next move be, fellows? Offer her some milk & cookies or show her the hot tub maybe? And when she says she doesn't have a swimsuit, I say, "hey we're beside the National Forest, no one is around."

OK, so I'm following what the guys here are saying now. And it sounds like one of the most important things I need to do is lay a good, heavy guilt trip on her once I have her in my confidence. Let her know without a doubt that if she tells anybody, all of the fun times END! And it will be HER FAULT! No more hot tub. No more X-box/Playstation. No more little gifts or a $100 bill here and there for "school supplies". Gotta stay away from text/sext messages and taking any kind of pictures too, eh? And I guess prom is out of the question, huh? So basically just hit it for a couple of years and then when she's about to graduate, start grooming another one. She might get pissed, but as long as we've been doing the deed for 2+ years, it's her fault for making bad decisions. Hell of a startegy. Thanks guys! :thumbsup:

I'll have to let people know that if you're a child molester and want to be accepted as a "normal person", you just come to FreeOnes. Wonder if I get some extra FreOnes points if I can recruit 15 or 20 of those National Man/Boy and National Woman/Boy Love Association people?

WTF Dude? Just say NO!

 

[Rey C.]

WTF Dude? Just say NO!

Ah, but saying "YES!" is so much more fun. :elaugh:

Now that I've seen the light (or darkness), I'm going over to the other side. I just think it's a shame that these dastardly little brats got that poor woman in trouble for giving them the gift of (some old rotten) pussy. Terrible little bastards! They should put their pictures up on the internet and shame them for life! She wasn't doing anything wrong. She was just being a good, generous person. :angels:

OK, I gotta go now. There's this teener that jogs everyday and it's about time for her. Calls herself getting in shape for the high school track season. But we all know that's not the real reason she does that. So time to drop the top, throw a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies in the passenger seat, park at the end of the driveway and... we'll see what happens. I know her dad. I'm sure he'll be OK with it... as long as he doesn't find out. And if he does, that'll be her fault! I won't be doing anything wrong. I'm not going to MAKE her get in the car or get nekkid before getting in the hot tub - that'll all be her choice. See, I'm learning how this works now. But I know the guys here will stick up for me, so that makes me feel better.

 

[CadillacD]

Ah, but saying "YES!" is so much more fun. :elaugh:

Now that I've seen the light (or darkness), I'm going over to the other side. I just think it's a shame that these dastardly little brats got that poor woman in trouble for giving them the gift of (some old rotten) pussy. Terrible little bastards! They should put their pictures up on the internet and shame them for life! She wasn't doing anything wrong. She was just being a good, generous person. :angels:

OK, I gotta go now. There's this teener that jogs everyday and it's about time for her. Calls herself getting in shape for the high school track season. But we all know that's not the real reason she does that. So time to drop the top, throw a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies in the passenger seat, park at the end of the driveway and... we'll see what happens. I know her dad. I'm sure he'll be OK with it... as long as he doesn't find out. And if he does, that'll be her fault! But I know the guys here will stick up for me, so that makes me feel better.

I bet animals run away when they see you!

 

[Icewater Jones]

I don't think anyone here agrees that this lady is NOT a child molester. That is not what's in question here. The question here is: How much of this is on the teens??? Who is dragging this out for two years??? Why, again, did those boys not do anything to stop this??? Yes, this woman started this, and deserves jail time, but those boys deserve reprimand as well, IMO.

It's 18 in your state, but 16 in mine, but I'm hunting down 16 yr olds to fuck, but yet this is the picture you want to paint. If anything, there are more 16 yr olds trying to fuck guys my age than vice versa. You don't seem to understand the fact that a lot of teens are looking to get fucked, and go out to places where horny adults roam to achieve this... and who's checking ID???

Nobody.


Who protects adults when teenagers are the sexual predators?


Nobody.

Anyone who believes cases like this are one-sided is dense. I'm sick and tired of people putting the 'my son/daughter would never' hat and t-shirt on, and not accepting the fact that they're out looking for it. This woman is a predator, but not everyone who has fucked a 16 yr old is. Ask a lot of people how old they were at their 'first time' and they will give you some teenage year, and not all of their partners were of the same age, so are they child molesters??? Were they sexually assaulted??? If so, should you be in prison???

 

[CadillacD]

Re: National Woman Boy Love Association - FreeOnes welcomes pedos now?

So by what you're saying, if I had made that WILLING & READY 15 year old, who had a crush on me, my "girlfriend" that would have been OK?

She obviously knew what she was doing. While visiting his daughter, she'd prance around my buddy's house in skimpy little shorts and cut-off shirts with no bra. She was putting it out there. She even told my buddy's daughter what she wanted. So if it's OK for a grown woman to have relations with a "ready" 12 year old boy, it would be equally OK for a grown man to have relations with a "ready" 15 year old girl. Right? I mean, I always heard that girls were more mature than boys of the same age anyway. So clearly, this would make it all OK. By what you're saying, I would have been "generous" with her by letting her ride around in my Jag, taking her to races, staying in expensive hotels and going to nice restaurants. As long as there is no "trauma", it's OK? So you'd wait until after the deed has been done and then analyze the kid for trauma (a few months later?) to determine if charges should be filed or not??? Nah, I like my way better. The right way. The consistent way.

Children, whether they are male or female, do not have the capacity to make certain decisions, especially when being manipulated by an adult. That is the reason why we have laws which protect minors. And as I said, ANY adult (male or female) who cannot deal with other adults, but instead has to prey on children to get their jollies, is a deviant and a criminal. And this lowly whore, with 67 counts against her, is clearly some sort of serial predator. But if the system lets them walk, I figure whatever "unfortunate" thing that might happen to them after that is just tough shit. Say she's like the slut in Pennsylvania and gets her head opened up by a baseball bat. Oh well. So sad. Too bad. :dunno:

You guys think it's OK for female teachers to be molesting kids instead of doing what teachers should be doing: providing an education to kids - not playing footsie and going out for drinks and a quickie after school. This attitude partially explains why American kids are some of the dumbest kids in the developed world. Still 25th or worse in math and science, as far as I know. And given what I'm reading here, that doesn't surprise me.

I see your point. I guess I'm just doing a poor job in making the point that the issue is not as clear cut as you make it (in my eyes). But then again, I'm not the father of a child in this situation...

 

[Rey C.]

I don't think anyone here agrees that this lady is NOT a child molester. That is not what's in question here. The question here is: How much of this is on the teens??? Who is dragging this out for two years??? Why, again, did those boys not do anything to stop this??? Yes, this woman started this, and deserves jail time, but those boys deserve reprimand as well, IMO.

She knew how old they were and she was the adult. Why should they or any other child be reprimanded for falling victim to a sexual predator?

It's 18 in your state, but 16 in mine, but I'm hunting down 16 yr olds to fuck, but yet this is the picture you want to paint. If anything, there are more 16 yr olds trying to fuck guys my age than vice versa. You don't seem to understand the fact that a lot of teens are looking to get fucked, and go out to places where horny adults roam to achieve this... and who's checking ID???

Nobody.

Then you didn't read my (overly long) post above. The 15 year old girl that had the crush on me was coming on like few adult women EVER have to me. But I was a grown man and what some silly, horny kid wanted had no influence on my decisions or actions. "Oh, but Judge... she came in the room with no bra on under her shirt and her nipples as hard as bullets... with an ice cream bar in her mouth - workin' it, my man! Workin' it! Surely you understand what I was facing?! I am the victim here!!! Have mercy on me, your lordship!" Yeah, I'm sure he'd buy that sad tale. I know that I would not sell a piece of real estate to a minor... because they could sign the contract and then change their mind on the day of closing and there's nothing that I could do about it. Why? Because a minor cannot give consent or make an enforceable contract. Even if they say, "yes" it doesn't mean anything. So anybody who wants to rely on what some horny 13 or 15 year old kid did or didn't say is just walking the fine line between statutory rape and rape. Simple as that!

Who protects adults when teenagers are the sexual predators?


Nobody.

I hear you. But there's a hell of a big difference between a teen girl (or boy) who looks like an adult, acts like an adult and lures someone into a sexual relationship and a kid who the adult knows is a minor and a relationship ensues. Yes, we all see girls everyday who you can't be sure how old they are (being a porn board, I'm sure we all know the story of Tracy Lords). But anyone who routinely mistakes 13 year olds for an 18 year old is living in a fantasy world... and is just seeing what they want to see. Another friend of mine has a son who is about 18 now. His girlfriend was 16 or so the last time I saw her. She's very bright, has traveled with her parents, so she's pretty worldly, and you'd never know she was 16. She looks and acts to be in her early 20's. Make a mistake with her, and I would fully agree with everything you're saying. But that's not what we have in this case. Not even close!

Anyone who believes cases like this are one-sided is dense. I'm sick and tired of people putting the 'my son/daughter would never' hat and t-shirt on, and not accepting the fact that they're out looking for it. This woman is a predator, but not everyone who has fucked a 16 yr old is. Ask a lot of people how old they were at their 'first time' and they will give you some teenage year, and not all of their partners were of the same age, so are they child molesters??? Were they sexually assaulted??? If so, should you be in prison???

This particular case is totally one sided. You can spin this six ways from Sunday but this bitch is exactly what she appears to be: a piece of shit child predator. 67 counts. The boys had some hand in her "making a mistake in judgment" and should be reprimanded??? Bullshit! She fucked herself. This woman was a teacher. Even if the age of consent is 16 in your state, I bet if you check the laws, it's still illegal for a teacher to be having sexual relations with a 16 year old student. I'm not using the same brush on everyone. But when it is obvious, I wouldn't use a paint brush... I'd brand them!

 

[Icewater Jones]

Again, I am not giving this woman any benefit of the doubt. The charges are well deserved, but I do think some reprimand has to be in order for those dudes. They performed and accepted payment for 2 yrs. They said nothing. They did nothing to stop this whatsoever. My question is: Are they ringing this womans doorbell when the new Madden game comes out?

This, again, is not to say what this woman did was okay... it isn't... but I do wonder if those boys were chosen for a reason. She's a teacher, and most likely has contact with 1000's of students who are male. Why them? Call it playing devil's adovocate, or just simple math, but I don't see how this adds up. To me, this isn't as one-sided as it seems when you ask the questions. What is one-sided is the fact that this woman broke the law. Also, that she is a sexual deviant, who needs to be locked away. What isn't, is damn near everything else like why didn't the parents know anything? They got new money and gifts that are no doubt coming to the house, but they have no job.

 

[Rey C.]

Again, I am not giving this woman any benefit of the doubt. The charges are well deserved, but I do think some reprimand has to be in order for those dudes. They performed and accepted payment for 2 yrs. They said nothing. They did nothing to stop this whatsoever. My question is: Are they ringing this womans doorbell when the new Madden game comes out?

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. I do not believe in reprimanding the victims of child predators, no matter what the circumstances.

This, again, is not to say what this woman did was okay... it isn't... but I do wonder if those boys were chosen for a reason.

She's a teacher, and most likely has contact with 1000's of students who are male. Why them? Call it playing devil's adovocate, or just simple math, but I don't see how this adds up.

Probably. I don't know what goes through the minds of people like this. I'm all for dissecting their brains and finding out though. I'm anything but an expert on the matter. But just from watching the odd Dateline here and there over the years and going out with a girl who was a psychologist (boy, she probably used me for a good case study, ya think?! ), I believe it's a common theme for child predators to select children who are most vulnerable to their advances. They probably wouldn't go for a child that is a well rounded straight A student, who is popular and from a tight family that gives them plenty of support, attention and positive reenforcement. So yeah, much like the woman who was having relations with her students and convinced one of them to try to kill her husband several years ago, predators are like any other con: they select those who are most susceptible to their game. And the key for cons (and why it's said that they don't feel guilty about their crimes), the victims are usually "willing". And maybe like these kids, probably even more so for them since they were so young, once you've said "yes", you may begin to think that what's happening to you is indeed your fault. So maybe that's part of why they didn't say anything for awhile. Maybe as time passed, they began to realize that this whole deal was totally fucked up and they needed to say something. If that passing of time makes them somehow at fault, then I guess we need to modify the statute of limitations so that rape and abuse victims either report crimes within a few hours or days, otherwise they just have to live with it and go about their business.

To me, this isn't as one-sided as it seems when you ask the questions. What is one-sided is the fact that this woman broke the law. Also, that she is a sexual deviant, who needs to be locked away. What isn't, is damn near everything else like why didn't the parents know anything? They got new money and gifts that are no doubt coming to the house, but they have no job.

Yes, one would think that a (good) parent would notice a child having more money than he should, but I don't know. I wouldn't say these people are good parents or bad parents. I don't know. I've dated more than a few divorced women who had kids at home, and I know I've seen things that I didn't approve of. But I considered it none of my business, since I'm not looking to put a ring on anybody's finger and have a ready made family anyway. Things are different now compared to how I was brought up, I guess. Kids are given too much leash much of the time, IMO. But as I said, predators probably have an easier time when they go after kids who are more on the fringe. It's the same when serial killers strike. As long as they're killing hookers or dopers, society really doesn't care. And as long as sexual predators are "upstanding" people and select young boys (in general) or young girls from the social fringe, people are more likely to dismiss it, sweep it under the rug or not be so bothered by it. No different than the girl I was talking about. Her mother was an alcoholic and the rumors were that her loser of a step-dad was messing with her anyway. That's why my buddy let her hang around his daughter (which proved to be a bad idea for reasons that I won't go into): it allowed her to get away from a bad home life. But nobody cared about that girl. She was already considered to be a little slut because of her family, how she dressed and how she acted. Just like with this deal, it's likely that any older guy who got with her from the time she was 14+ (and there were more than a few as I understand) wouldn't have had much to worry about because it would have been so easy to make her out to be at least partially to blame.

People can live however they want and do whatever they please. That's how I see it these days. As long as it doesn't affect me or mine, do whatever. If it blows up in your face, just don't ask me for help. But the danger is when someone begins to believe they can get some sympathy when they molest one person's kid and then maybe they try it with my kid or the kid of someone like me... and things don't work out as they expect. I'm truly not some sort of violent, blood thirsty maniac. It's just that if I had a kid and someone screwed with my kid (or my family), and the authorities didn't address it as I saw fit, I bet I'd go on vacation several hundred miles away, have my picture taken in group settings every few minutes and while I'm gone that perp might come up missing. Hey, don't look at me. Rumor was, that is/was a bad person. And bad things tend to happen to bad people all the time. Maybe they just decided to start a new life in South Amercia or something. How would I know? :dunno:

 

[maildude]

They should build a prison housing 2000 teenaged boys with acne and superior math skills, then drop her in there with a sign around her neck reading: "I Luv D&D"

 

[Rey C.]

They should build a prison housing 2000 teenaged boys with acne and superior math skills, then drop her in there with a sign around her neck reading: "I Luv D&D"

Or "I Hate Star Trek".

And don't let any of her visitors bring any KY Jelly for her. A year of being raw & swollen might build some character in her. Hey, it's not always pretty, but there's usually a good solution for any problem. :elaugh:

 

[Icewater Jones]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. I do not believe in reprimanding the victims of child predators, no matter what the circumstances.

I choose to use the word 'victim' loosely. I'm a firm believer in teenagers are smarter and slicker than people give them credit for. Most teens know the game and how to play it. I'm sorry, but after 2 years of sneaking around, you're not a victim anymore. You then become a willing participant who knows damn well what you're doing is not legal, especially when you accept payment for it. The reason I think this way is b/c my brother went through some bullshit based on this. He was 20 when he met this girl at a local 21+ club. He was seeing her for about 2 months, when her parents (whom she was not living with), tried to get him locked up for statutory after they found out his age.

She turned out to be 16, and turned 17 during they're short relationship.

Now, she had been over my place a few times and told me on her b-day she turned 19. After they broke up, she went crying to her folks and played the victim role. My brother went throught the system for about 5 months before the judge determined he was not guilty due to testimonies and witness accounts. For all that trouble, she got nothing. You should have heard her act like she was being assaulted sexually in court. She actually has a sister that got knocked up at 14 doing that same shit to a HS senior whom she told was 16.

Now in this case, the teacher no doubt propositioned them and sexually molested them. For this, she should be jailed for a long time... but given the fact that she did not live with them, she did not kidnap them, she did not strong-arm them, but yet this goes on for two years with the same two teens, who say nothing nor do anything to prevent this, leads me to believe that the innocence of these boys is way overblown.

 

[Rey C.]

Your brother's situation is FAR different from this old slag's though. I feel for your brother because it sounds like he got taken for a ride by a deceptive person. According to what you've said, he had no idea that she wasn't as old as she claimed to be - and even told you she'd be 19 on her birthday, right? If he had known her true age, whether it went on for 2 days or 2 months, I wouldn't have any sympathy for him either. Play with fire and you might get burned.

As for how "innocent" these boys were, I have no idea and neither does anyone else. Who knows why they didn't come forward sooner? But it doesn't matter. If she had used physical force to molest them, considering the number of counts against her, I'd say she'd be facing anything from life to life without parole in certain states. She conned them. Her life is now destroyed, as she will be branded a sex offender and a felon if/when she is convicted. She will have to register as such no matter where she goes in the U.S., will probably have a hard time securing any sort of employment when she does get out of prison (assuming she is convicted) and might even have a hard time finding a place to live. I do not rent to felons, and especially not to sex offenders. My attitude toward pedos is, "Fuck 'em! Let them live in the woods like the animals they are."

And because this woman was a teacher/state employee, expect a large sum settlement with the involved families. So she hasn't just fucked up her life and these kids' lives, she's also going to cost the taxpayers of that district a nice chunk of change, I'm sure.

Please answer this one for me though. That girl that had the crush on me years ago... if I'd gone for her advances, would you sympathize with me? These boys were pursued by the adult. This girl was pursuing me... plus she was 15, not 12 or 13. If I had a picture to post of her in one of her Trailer Park Barbie outfits, would you (or anyone else here) say, "Ah Rey C., to be honest... it's not so cool that she was only 15, but yeah, I'd have hit that too... I mean, if she was offering it up and it was her idea. Plus, it's not like you were her first. Hey, better you than her step-dad." ??? Would any of you take that position? And if not, why not?

I won't be facetious anymore. I really want to understand the position of those on the other side here. Is it that you believe that as long as the child agrees (even though they can't legally give consent, as I've already said) and acts sorta/kinda mature, it's OK to bed them. Is that it? This is so incredibly foreign to my way of thinking that I'm really struggling with what's being said in some of these posts. Like the guy who said something about if the boy becomes aroused that makes it OK, or something like that.

The psychologist that I briefly dated told me that some of the most damaged female rape victims are those who experience an orgasm during the rape. Yeah, I had no idea that such a thing could happen either. But according to her, if a person is being physically stimulated, even if it's against their will, it is possible for them to orgasm, or at the very least become aroused. And the women who experience that apparently internalize the feeling that they must have asked for it or wanted it in some way because they orgasmed, and this leads to some pretty horrific guilt and mental issues for many of them. So this belief, that if a boy becomes erect or a girl gets wet while being diddled by an adult means that they're secretly OK with what's being done to them, is pretty disturbing - even on a porn board.

 

[ajitpd]

Pussy cost money. Dick, however, is free.

I'd rep that.

Oh, wait, I already did.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Please answer this one for me though. That girl that had the crush on me years ago... if I'd gone for her advances, would you sympathize with me? These boys were pursued by the adult. This girl was pursuing me... plus she was 15, not 12 or 13. If I had a picture to post of her in one of her Trailer Park Barbie outfits, would you (or anyone else here) say, "Ah Rey C., to be honest... it's not so cool that she was only 15, but yeah, I'd have hit that too... I mean, if she was offering it up and it was her idea. Plus, it's not like you were her first. Hey, better you than her step-dad." ??? Would any of you take that position? And if not, why not?

Yes, I would sympathize for you, because I know that you're human. As humans, we all have a lust for doing what is improper... it's the root of all fetish and addiction. There is an undeniable rush and pleasure in doing what you know is wrong. Everyone has a price and a vice. I completely would understand why you would fuck a 15 yr old girl, but wouldn't condone nor encourage it.

I won't be facetious anymore. I really want to understand the position of those on the other side here. Is it that you believe that as long as the child agrees (even though they can't legally give consent, as I've already said) and acts sorta/kinda mature, it's OK to bed them. Is that it? This is so incredibly foreign to my way of thinking that I'm really struggling with what's being said in some of these posts. Like the guy who said something about if the boy becomes aroused that makes it OK, or something like that.

Let me start by saying that on this case, I am not on the other side. This woman broke the law and got caught, thus she should be imprisoned. Also, it is not okay to fuck 13 and 14 yr olds. However, I do feel in situations where teens 16 and up are propositioned, they can make a controlled, rational decision on how they will proceed, and further, have some control even after their decision is made. I actually think it's younger than that, but I am most sure starting at age 16. Unless its a case of physical force, teens can decide and adjust based on their choice. Will they make the wrong choice? A lot of times, yes... but so do a lot of well-adjusted adults. In both cases, the ability to adjust or adapt accordingly can be utilized for whatever decision you face and/or make.

In your own personal case, you and said teen both had the same decisions to make. In your case, she was the pursuer. She was old enough to know what she wanted, and how to go about getting it. You both had an itch for sin moment. You thought beyond the moment mainly because you felt you had more to lose than she. She did not care about how you would wind up after the fact, and you knew it. For you, the cons outweighed the pros and you reacted accordingly. My question to you is, if there were no consequences to the act, would you have decided differently??? Whatever your answer is, do you believe that a teen is capable of having the same answer and even reasoning??? If so, old do you believe one would have to be to have come to this conclusion and react upon it???