Which motion controlled console catches your eye?

[zell]

I'm going with Kinect for sheer boldness. There is a chance Microsoft could hit it big, if they do it right, and it has implications the gaming industry has never seen before. Move to me is really just a port of an existing product, so as great as it could be, it's going to be limited in what it can do.

Gotta be honest with you shayd,I feel the same way about Kinect as far as pure game play goes,but make no mistake,I'm not a fan of the Move either.

 

[FranklinWalker]

i just get Nintendo Wii

 

[shayd]

Gotta be honest with you shayd,I feel the same way about Kinect as far as pure game play goes,but make no mistake,I'm not a fan of the Move either.

See, my issue is that at least Kinect at this point peripheral wise is a different beast. Move is literally a tit for tat reincarnation. Make no mistake, all three are biting off a chunk of Nintendo, however I've got to give some credit for trying to go about it a different way.

 

[darthsnake]

Gotta be honest with you shayd,I feel the same way about Kinect as far as pure game play goes,but make no mistake,I'm not a fan of the Move either.

agree

everything has its limitations

See, my issue is that at least Kinect at this point peripheral wise is a different beast. Move is literally a tit for tat reincarnation. Make no mistake, all three are biting off a chunk of Nintendo, however I've got to give some credit for trying to go about it a different way.

not just ninty

the camera tracking is eyetoy things so kinect is copying sony,sony is copying ninty but they also tried move-like tracking before.well just ninty not copying at the moment

 

[shayd]

not just ninty

the camera tracking is eyetoy things so kinect is copying sony,sony is copying ninty but they also tried move-like tracking before.well just ninty not copying at the moment

Nintendo has historically been working on some form of motion control since roughly the era of the failure that was the Virtual Boy, which make just about everything else a copy of that. More power to the companies for trying it, but I've got to give the edge to Kinect in that it's fundamentally different than the others so far.

 

[Togath]

Ok sorry but I have to do this, I fricken hate this motion controlled crap what is it with eveyone wanting to do it. Its so funny, so many adults buy the wii thinking they will play it with thier kid. To be honest, I have all three systems. My son plays my 360 out of all three of them

 

[Master_Gio]

Fuck motion control games!!!! I wanna relax when i play games not fucking work out. i'll work out, when i fucking want to! lame and epic fail!

 

[shayd]

Fuck motion control games!!!! I wanna relax when i play games not fucking work out. i'll work out, when i fucking want to! lame and epic fail!

That tired old line again?

Honestly, if you find that to be any sort of workout or really any sort of meaningful exertion, your concept of exercise is severely twisted.

 

[doppelganger]

I'm going with the Kinect because I see it as having the most potential. The "Milo" tech demo showcases some of this (though Peter Moyneux is notorious for overhyping things).

Unfortunately, I fear the reality is that few developers will really put forth the effort to make many decent games for either the Kinect or the Move, and I just have a really hard time imagining either having a "killer app".

 

[dp93]

Kinect and Move

 

[cartman24]

None of them. Motion control is a dumb gimmick that is fun for a few days but has no lasting effect. When I play a game I just want to sit back and relax, I actually exercise to be active...

 

[darthsnake]

Nintendo has historically been working on some form of motion control since roughly the era of the failure that was the Virtual Boy, which make just about everything else a copy of that. More power to the companies for trying it, but I've got to give the edge to Kinect in that it's fundamentally different than the others so far.

virtual boy wasn't motion control

i am not saying ninty doesn't do anything but just to say that everything else is a copy isn't correct either and then to say that kinect has the edge,tottaly wrong

 

[shayd]

virtual boy wasn't motion control

i am not saying ninty doesn't do anything but just to say that everything else is a copy isn't correct either and then to say that kinect has the edge,tottaly wrong

I never said it was. It was a well known "secret" circa the Virtual Boy era that Nintendo was working on a form of supplemented input, which was the impetus that drove what we now know as the Wii. It's disingenuous to give any other company credit for the rise of motion controls, mostly because Nintendo had the original concept. Everyone else at this point is just porting the same product, even Kinect, however Kinect seems to have the advantage in that it aims to build on an existing product. I mean, how the fuck can anyone make the claim that Move isn't a blatant rip-off of the Wii? I mean, is there a single thing it does that the Wii doesn't? No. The only real difference is in button layout and aesthetics.

If it walks, looks, and smells like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

[nickerdeemes2]

I opt for the Move only because I love my playstation.

 

[darthsnake]

I never said it was. It was a well known "secret" circa the Virtual Boy era that Nintendo was working on a form of supplemented input, which was the impetus that drove what we now know as the Wii.

just because they had some small link to motion control doesn't mean wii came out of it.

taht way everything in this world is linked doesn't mean we give everything the credit

not saying that nintendo didn't do anything,just that wii came a long time after it and that there is no substantial link between them

It's disingenuous to give any other company credit for the rise of motion controls, mostly because Nintendo had the original concept.

who is giving any other company any credit?

just that sayig that ninty had the original concept and they were working on the current motion control from last gazillion years isn't true

they did a big revolution with the wii,doesn't mean they are the holders of the orginal consept and they came out of it when the other preoduct is barely linked with what we have today

Everyone else at this point is just porting the same product, even Kinect,

agree

however Kinect seems to have the advantage in that it aims to build on an existing product. I mean, how the fuck can anyone make the claim that Move isn't a blatant rip-off of the Wii? I mean, is there a single thing it does that the Wii doesn't? No. The only real difference is in button layout and aesthetics.If it walks, looks, and smells like a duck, it's probably a duck.

you comment fail here

to say that everybody is porting the same thing and then to give kinect the advantage and to say move is a rip-off is wrong


nobody is saying that move isn't a rip-off but to say it is a ripoff and then say kinect isn't is again wrong

that way it can be said that move was first as if you have seen demo's from PS2's launch,they show MOVE + eyetoy tracking but that would be wrong to say and i don't want to start an argument over it

 

[shayd]

just because they had some small link to motion control doesn't mean wii came out of it.

taht way everything in this world is linked doesn't mean we give everything the credit

not saying that nintendo didn't do anything,just that wii came a long time after it and that there is no substantial link between them

Perhaps you can enlighten me then how the exact same R&D team from Nintendo pitched the original idea then produced the Wii?

you comment fail here

to say that everybody is porting the same thing and then to give kinect the advantage and to say move is a rip-off is wrong


nobody is saying that move isn't a rip-off but to say it is a ripoff and then say kinect isn't is again wrong

that way it can be said that move was first as if you have seen demo's from PS2's launch,they show MOVE + eyetoy tracking but that would be wrong to say and i don't want to start an argument over it

Jesus, man. I just said that they're all ports. I'm giving Kinect the edge against Move, because unlike Move, it adds something. I don't get why this is so difficult to comprehend. I'm not trying to give Kinect the edge over the original product, because it's not even fucking out yet. But paired against the Move, there's really no question.

 

[darthsnake]

Perhaps you can enlighten me then how the exact same R&D team from Nintendo pitched the original idea then produced the Wii?

it is a long process

it doesn't mean that they had wii in their mind so many years ago

they tried out things like so many other companies

yeah they continued work on it but what they did before and what they did with the wii is completely different

Jesus, man. I just said that they're all ports. I'm giving Kinect the edge against Move, because unlike Move, it adds something.

'something'...........lol

I don't get why this is so difficult to comprehend. I'm not trying to give Kinect the edge over the original product, because it's not even fucking out yet. But paired against the Move, there's really no question.

now you are saying that just because the kinect has different features and move has different and move doesn't have kinect features it doesn't add anything

the same can be said about kinect,its game seriously just doesn't bring anything different and they all suck

now i am not saying its all because of the games but because we have not seen anything substanially different and that doesn't make it any better

 

[shayd]

it is a long process

it doesn't mean that they had wii in their mind so many years ago

they tried out things like so many other companies

yeah they continued work on it but what they did before and what they did with the wii is completely different

I have no idea what you're trying to say. The Nintendo R&D wasn't trying to come up with the Wii from the beginning? Well of course they fucking didn't, just the same that Henry Ford wasn't trying to invent the fucking Mustang in 1908. Just the same that Bill Gates wasn't trying to write Windows 7 in 1975. See a pattern there? It's theconcept that directly lead to it's invention as is the case with the Wii. Plain and simple, Nintendo had the idea first. Argue semantics all you want, the fact remains.

now you are saying that just because the kinect has different features and move has different and move doesn't have kinect features it doesn't add anything

You've got to be kidding me. Jesus man, AGAIN, I'm saying that Move is the exact same fucking thing as the Wii. If you can come up with a single fucking thing the Move does differently from the Wii then we're talking. Kinect, by it's essence is purely static camera driven, which is unlike the Wii. It has voice recognition, unlike the Wii. It'll pick up movement without a control to reference unlike the Wii. You are seriously going to sit here and tell me you don't see how Kinect is substantially different from the others?

the same can be said about kinect,its game seriously just doesn't bring anything different and they all suck

now i am not saying its all because of the games but because we have not seen anything substanially different and that doesn't make it any better

You're missing the point completely. I didn't give Kinect the thumbs up because of a fucking game lineup. For the 38,943,280,543rd time, it's the unit itself for Christ's sake. The substantial difference you allude to it the unit itself. Kinect does things that Wii and Move don't. I don't get why that is so difficult to understand.

 

[darthsnake]

I have no idea what you're trying to say. The Nintendo R&D wasn't trying to come up with the Wii from the beginning? Well of course they fucking didn't, just the same that Henry Ford wasn't trying to invent the fucking Mustang in 1908. Just the same that Bill Gates wasn't trying to write Windows 7 in 1975. See a pattern there? It's theconcept that directly lead to it's invention as is the case with the Wii. Plain and simple, Nintendo had the idea first. Argue semantics all you want, the fact remains.

how the hell can you say that they had the idea first?

there were alot of motion control linked peripheral even then so ninty didn't have the idea at first which is what i have been trying to say

they were all trying,ninty perfected their own thing with the wii but that doesn't make them the creator of motion controls

You've got to be kidding me. Jesus man, AGAIN, I'm saying that Move is the exact same fucking thing as the Wii. If you can come up with a single fucking thing the Move does differently from the Wii then we're talking.

can wii do eyepet?

Kinect, by it's essence is purely static camera driven, which is unlike the Wii.

but it is like the eyetoy

don't get stuck on the wii only,there are other things too

It has voice recognition, unlike the Wii.

eyetoy and wii both have the ability to do it

and voice recognition is SW based not anything new with the kinect

It'll pick up movement without a control to reference unlike the Wii.

like eyetoy

You are seriously going to sit here and tell me you don't see how Kinect is substantially different from the others?

it is different but nothing substantially new

You're missing the point completely. I didn't give Kinect the thumbs up because of a fucking game lineup. For the 38,943,280,543rd time, it's the unit itself for Christ's sake. The substantial difference you allude to it the unit itself. Kinect does things that Wii and Move don't. I don't get why that is so difficult to understand.

if you weren't considering the SW then why mention voice recognition which essentially is based on SW.

and the unit is judged by what it can do and it can't do awesome games atm which is what it is being made for and some other features

 

[shayd]

how the hell can you say that they had the idea first?

there were alot of motion control linked peripheral even then so ninty didn't have the idea at first which is what i have been trying to say

they were all trying,ninty perfected their own thing with the wii but that doesn't make them the creator of motion controls

FTA:

After Nintendo and Sony parted ways as business partners, a number of new ideas hatched. Some were flat out impossible at the time, "We wanted to really try to develop some sort of holographic display, but obviously we couldn't do it at that point" said Morimoto. "There were a lot of ideas, some that weren't possible due to technical limitations, and some that we're still working on today." added [Makato] Kano. "For example, when we were working on games for the Virtual Boy, one of the big things the engineers wanted to build was some sort of peripheral that could track your controller. "It would've taken longer to get the Virtual Boy released, but we really liked that idea, and even today, we're continuing to work on a form of that technology"

Or FTA:

Some still argue that 3D games are not a worthwhile trend. Instead, there is a push towards greater support for games that support motion control similar to the new Nintendo Wii. Other manufacturers, namely Sony and Microsoft, have taken note of the success of the Wii, and are planning to release a similar product, according to Yamasaki, who worked for Nintendo from 1996-2004. He adds that Sony may have the edge over Nintendo, "One of the biggest benefits for Sony is that so many of their engineers started at Nintendo in the mid 90s when Nintendo was first experimenting with the first ideas about motion controls".

Uh, I really don't need to add anything to that, I don't think. It's pretty black and white.

can wii do eyepet?




but it is like the eyetoy

don't get stuck on the wii only,there are other things too

To be quite honest, I forgot all about the EyeToy. The problem remains however, there is the EyeToy and then the Move controller. Without one, you can't enjoy the benefit of the other.

eyetoy and wii both have the ability to do it

and voice recognition is SW based not anything new with the kinect

Of course it's software based, which is why the fact that EyeToy has been out for years and still doesn't do it competently makes Kinect look better. I'm not saying it is better, but for my money, at this stage, why would you not put your faith in a consolidated peripheral? I'm not arguing that voice recognition is new in the technological world, but in the current video game landscape, this is new in that the ability is bundled up in a single peripheral.

if you weren't considering the SW then why mention voice recognition which essentially is based on SW.

The ability is bundled up in a single peripheral. It takes one piece of equipment for Kinect to function. You don't have to have a camera, and a motion controller available contemporaneously. This is not the case for either of the two.

and the unit is judged by what it can do and it can't do awesome games atm which is what it is being made for and some other features

Uh, what? We're supposed to judge how good it is by the games that are out, before the fucking thing launches? At this point the only thing we have to judge these peripherals on is what they offer in what package.