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What Is The World To Do With North Korea???
- Thread starter Little Red Wagon Repairman
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Iraq wasen't, north korea is! they have just detonated a nuke as large as the one droped over nagasaki! they have launced long range missiles, they say they are no longer tied to the peace treaty with s. korea. this is dangerous!
one of the reasons why Iraq was invaded and not n. korea is that their army is over on million strong + more than 7 million reserves. (and maybe some oil)
You're not quite right, according to wikipedia North Korea has about 23 mil. inhabitants so they can't possibly have 7 million soldiers in reserve. Wikipedia says 3.5 - 4 million in reserve.
N. Korea is a different problem than Iraq. Iraq did have a dictator, but it also had and still has muslim extremists, Iran nearby etc. North Korea maintains its political system through extensive propaganda and strict control over the activities of their people. It may have a large army, but I think it would fall apart in case of a real war. They've had famine during peacetime, what would happen during a war?!
And China nowadays is nothing like the China 60 years ago. 60 years ago China was, much like North Korea now, a strictly communist state with extensive aid from Russians. Today China is a major world power, practically a capitalist state, and a major holder of US bonds
Do you really think they would go into war because of some shitty regime in North Korea?
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North Korea is undergoing a perpetual famine, Jeong just sees to it that his military is well fed. Many international sources claim that conditions in North Korean prisons are so poor, they're encampments of starving inmates who resort on eating the flesh of the dead.
Reiterate - As long as Jeong keeps his military fed, that's all that matters to him . . . Oh, and that he can wear designer glasses, platform shoes and watch hollywood flicks
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The PRC pulled that rug out from under "u.s." as they now supply their North Korean next door neighbors with approximately 90% of it's raw materials, oil, durable goods, food stuffs and who knows what else (?)
Next of Kim, my friend ! oops ! Next of KIN, I meant.
There's a son all trained and ready to go, unfortunately.
Sorry, North Korean IS WILLING to engage South Korean and US forces ...
North Korea actually goes beyond just threatening. The question is, when are they stupid enough that they flatten Seoul with an artillery barrage? I think that day is coming, and that will be the end of North Korea.
There is no further proof that the "appeasement" that South Korea attempted 2002-2006 is now utterly rejected by not only the majority of their political establishment, but their own people. Once North Korea gets what it wants, it starts shit up again to get more. And that includes forcing military engagements, which have happened on the sea and on land. I know it was popular to blame W. during his administration, but Obama is now dealing with the same shit. Again, North Korea became a problem in 1999, before W. got in, after the 1994 agreement was in place (which even the Clinton administration verified North Korea wasn't abiding by after that 1999 incident).
Again, not only has Japan had it (especially with the abductions), but South Korea has joined them as of 2007+. China is raising their hands at this point, because they know the US could easily cite their failing to keep Korea nuclear free and place nukes around Taiwan. That's actually what this is more about. North Korea claims it needs a "nuclear deterrent"? No, both South Korea and the US have promised not to invade North Korea. The same cannot be said about China with regards to Taiwan.
Obviously you're ignorant of their actual, real, military engagements that go on. The Clinton administration learned this in 1999 (before 9/11 and the "Axis of Evil" speech), when they were doing nothing to inflame them. That was 5 years into the 1994 agreement, after which the Clinton administration re-focused intelligence and learned they weren't abiding by it anyway (which came up post-9/11 and led to the "Axis of Evil" speech). The 1999 encounter took both the US and South Korea by surprise (but not again a few years later during the W. administration).
North Korea actually goes beyond just threatening. The question is, when are they stupid enough that they flatten Seoul with an artillery barrage? I think that day is coming, and that will be the end of North Korea.
There is no further proof that the "appeasement" that South Korea attempted 2002-2006 is now utterly rejected by not only the majority of their political establishment, but their own people. Once North Korea gets what it wants, it starts shit up again to get more. And that includes forcing military engagements, which have happened on the sea and on land. I know it was popular to blame W. during his administration, but Obama is now dealing with the same shit. Again, North Korea became a problem in 1999, before W. got in, after the 1994 agreement was in place (which even the Clinton administration verified North Korea wasn't abiding by after that 1999 incident).
Again, not only has Japan had it (especially with the abductions), but South Korea has joined them as of 2007+. China is raising their hands at this point, because they know the US could easily cite their failing to keep Korea nuclear free and place nukes around Taiwan. That's actually what this is more about. North Korea claims it needs a "nuclear deterrent"? No, both South Korea and the US have promised not to invade North Korea. The same cannot be said about China with regards to Taiwan.
Re: Sorry, North Korean IS WILLING to engage South Korean and US forces ...
So...what's the point of your post? I'm having a hard time trying to find it. If anything it seems like you agree with what I said.
So...what's the point of your post? I'm having a hard time trying to find it. If anything it seems like you agree with what I said.
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That's in addition to the whole Taiwanese agreement prior to 2007 (which is now a question).
So just let them kidnap Japanese citizens, attack South Korean and US forces, etc... ??? I don't think you know the full history here.
That's in addition to the whole Taiwanese agreement prior to 2007 (which is now a question).
the world goes threw phases of power, as we read in the history books, and this power shifts from nation, to nation, race to race, etc..
at our present time, we will witness a shift of power, but who will be the winner?
we all carry on about nuclear power, which means nothing now because it defeats the purpose of winning, or eliminating another nation or enemy, for using it will end the world as we know it
every tom dik and harry, has a nuclear bomb.....
so.... what is the power today, and who's got it?
is it money?
is it pussy?
is it religion?
is it energy?
is it knowlege?
is it .......?
i think real power theese days is control, it's all around us, we are becomming slaves to it, depending on it, addicted to it, but who controls it and control us?
that is the question.
at our present time, we will witness a shift of power, but who will be the winner?
we all carry on about nuclear power, which means nothing now because it defeats the purpose of winning, or eliminating another nation or enemy, for using it will end the world as we know it
every tom dik and harry, has a nuclear bomb.....
so.... what is the power today, and who's got it?
is it money?
is it pussy?
is it religion?
is it energy?
is it knowlege?
is it .......?
i think real power theese days is control, it's all around us, we are becomming slaves to it, depending on it, addicted to it, but who controls it and control us?
that is the question.
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And yet ...
And yet nuclear deterrence is still a reality that exists even today, and a game that continues post-Cold War, even more actively and with more players than ever before. People make be easily swayed in viewpoint, but leaders aren't dumb.
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When I said "ignore" I was talking about the demands they make and the saber rattling they do to get what they want, I wasn't talking about letting them get away with any action without repercussions.
When I said "ignore" I was talking about the demands they make and the saber rattling they do to get what they want, I wasn't talking about letting them get away with any action without repercussions.
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No, actually, you're just talking out of your bunghole again Prof. There is no *history* that should concern us today. There is ancient history which has been reduced to entries in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
North Korea is nothing more than a pest. We should leave them alone and not take measures for an escalation of any kind.:dunno: North Korea presents no threat to our national security. They are an isolated, rogue nation with limited real power. :eyeso:
That's what I mean by not knowing your history.
No, actually, you're just talking out of your bunghole again Prof. There is no *history* that should concern us today. There is ancient history which has been reduced to entries in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
North Korea is nothing more than a pest. We should leave them alone and not take measures for an escalation of any kind.:dunno: North Korea presents no threat to our national security. They are an isolated, rogue nation with limited real power. :eyeso:
Re: Again ...
I love how you're not bothering to respond anymore in this thread: http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=297203
At least some other people know how to discuss the situation, instead of accusing me of pulling things out of my ass. Again, you ignore recent history that has everything to do with this. Military engagements with North Korea forces are on-going, but have not reached a flash point ... yet.
The question will be with no one -- not South Korea or even China -- agreeing to appease anymore, how far will North Korea push these engagements over time? They've already threatened to go beyond what they did in 1999, which they made good on back then.
Which means when North Korea says we are escalating it, we must have escalated, correct? Are you even reading what they have been saying, with every passing day, week, etc...? Do you understand why they've exploded another bomb? Launched more missiles?
Weren't you just one of the same people bringing up that "history" regarding 1994-2000 during W.? Now it doesn't matter? Heck, to North Koreans, there is a lot of history.
And yet, we have allies, interests and other realities that cause use to be involved. Like it or not.
I love how you're not bothering to respond anymore in this thread: http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=297203
At least some other people know how to discuss the situation, instead of accusing me of pulling things out of my ass. Again, you ignore recent history that has everything to do with this. Military engagements with North Korea forces are on-going, but have not reached a flash point ... yet.
The question will be with no one -- not South Korea or even China -- agreeing to appease anymore, how far will North Korea push these engagements over time? They've already threatened to go beyond what they did in 1999, which they made good on back then.
china and russia have been warned to put there puppy on a leash or it will have to be destroyed. if it takes a nip at americans stationed in the south this will happen. i believe china will take action and handle this situation if not the US will use this to show Iran what will happen if they do not follow the rules JMO cheer rose
You must be living in an alternative universe.
Unfortunately ...
In fact, Iran has a very solid argument that it has repeatedly been the result of western powers controlling its state prior to '79. Iran has also been a victim of western powers transferring WMD knowledge to countries that used it against them (not just the US, I'm tired of people pointing out only the US -- especially post '90 when the US stopped, unlike others).
Iran has legitimate gripes that North Korea does not.
Iraq invaded Kuwait, North Korea invaded South Korea. They both have their alleged claims and complaints (Iraq against the British and UN, North Korea against basically all of the permanent UN Security Council members), but also UN resolutions that state they invaded sovereign nations that were almost universally recognized (regardless of those claims and complaints). Iran has neither any such UN resolution citing such nor any loss of sovereignty.
That's why these arguments, such as above, do not serve anyone well.
Although it is pretty clear that the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 did prove to Iran that the US is willing to put boots on the ground, which Iran did not believe prior, especially with the new and on-going Afghanistan war. That's when they shifted their focus from weapons development to enrichment, which is easier to put under the guise as "peaceful enrichment."
Because even if anyone with a basic level of physics knows that the capacity they have could only be used for weapons grade enrichment, all but only a small fraction of the world actually has the education to know that beyond a shadow of a doubt (only a few percentage points). Whereas a WMD delivery vehicle is more certain to most people.
Ahhh, so many strategic actions and rhetoric, combined into one confusing mess for those that don't look deeper.
Unfortunately, unlike North Korea, Iran has not invaded another country.
In fact, Iran has a very solid argument that it has repeatedly been the result of western powers controlling its state prior to '79. Iran has also been a victim of western powers transferring WMD knowledge to countries that used it against them (not just the US, I'm tired of people pointing out only the US -- especially post '90 when the US stopped, unlike others).
Iran has legitimate gripes that North Korea does not.
Iraq invaded Kuwait, North Korea invaded South Korea. They both have their alleged claims and complaints (Iraq against the British and UN, North Korea against basically all of the permanent UN Security Council members), but also UN resolutions that state they invaded sovereign nations that were almost universally recognized (regardless of those claims and complaints). Iran has neither any such UN resolution citing such nor any loss of sovereignty.
That's why these arguments, such as above, do not serve anyone well.
Although it is pretty clear that the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 did prove to Iran that the US is willing to put boots on the ground, which Iran did not believe prior, especially with the new and on-going Afghanistan war. That's when they shifted their focus from weapons development to enrichment, which is easier to put under the guise as "peaceful enrichment."
Because even if anyone with a basic level of physics knows that the capacity they have could only be used for weapons grade enrichment, all but only a small fraction of the world actually has the education to know that beyond a shadow of a doubt (only a few percentage points). Whereas a WMD delivery vehicle is more certain to most people.
Ahhh, so many strategic actions and rhetoric, combined into one confusing mess for those that don't look deeper.
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Is this something you really love, Prof? You need to get out and smell the roses more
Rest assured Prof, I don't respond to everything I read, but if this is a thread where you're saying stoopid stuff, I'll be there to "fact check":thumbsup:
I could care less about North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, India or any other country that has been linked in the news with Nuke testing or attempts to acquire nukes. We should go back to economic sanctions as our primary response to countries that do things we don't like. Aren't we a capitalist country?
We've lost thousands of American soldiers' lives and wasted $1-$3Trillion in a country we thought (or were lied to about) had a ton of shit. They had nothing.
I think it is prudent right now, especially since our economy has crumbled, people have lost and are losing jobs and homes, to focus on domestic matters and let other nations take the lead with North Korea. :dunno:
I love how you're not bothering to respond anymore in this thread: http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=297203
Is this something you really love, Prof? You need to get out and smell the roses more
Rest assured Prof, I don't respond to everything I read, but if this is a thread where you're saying stoopid stuff, I'll be there to "fact check":thumbsup:
I could care less about North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, India or any other country that has been linked in the news with Nuke testing or attempts to acquire nukes. We should go back to economic sanctions as our primary response to countries that do things we don't like. Aren't we a capitalist country?
We've lost thousands of American soldiers' lives and wasted $1-$3Trillion in a country we thought (or were lied to about) had a ton of shit. They had nothing.
I think it is prudent right now, especially since our economy has crumbled, people have lost and are losing jobs and homes, to focus on domestic matters and let other nations take the lead with North Korea. :dunno:
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