What Happend To The Roll In Rock N' Roll?

[dave_rhino]

Rock and Roll originated as a term for sexual intercourse, later linked with music.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Rock and Roll originated as a term for sexual intercourse, later linked with music.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Here is the 1st song I know where the singer talks about how he rocks em and rolls em all night long.Black slang for sex is where it started I think.

Dominoes - Sixty (60) Minute Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlALQf3fahM

 

[DreamSparrow]

It's crappy because it's guitar driven pop veiled thinly as "metal" , and not even good pop. Simply my opinion.

You didn't mention any of that in your earlier post, you ranted at them for appealing to women.

Yes, mostly terrible bands.

And Elvis was no different. His music and persona was so obviously sexual that it's simply inconsistent to berate other bands for doing the same. Sorry, but well known rock (and roll) greats such as Chuck Berry, the Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, and too many others to count have all written huge numbers of songs that were designed to get into the pants of young, nubile female fans. It's naive to think otherwise.

I never said I resent rock music for appealing to women. I resent hair "metal" for being a god damned joke.

See, I'm also very good at putting words into other people's mouths, much like you did.

You said, and I quote: "Apparently, hair metal is a bunch of sweaty dudes playing their shitty songs in a factory that only produces sparks with the women miles away from the band. TALK ABOUT TEETH."

That's clearly a complaint that this genre is weak because in your view, it didn't resonate as strongly with men as it did with women. You can backpedal on what you've said, but it's there for everyone to read.

I don't see how you couldn't understand why myself or anyone else would think it's crappy.

Repeatedly saying something is crappy in a variety of different ways doesn't really work as an argument, or justified opinion. "I can't see how you couldn't understand", "goddamned joke", "sweaty dudes" (as if other rockers don't sweat ), is all rather unconvincing.

It was "lewd and suggestive" to more than women in that day and age. Also, Elvis pushed the proverbial envelope by playing "black music", which was also uncommon in those days. I use Elvis as an example of a "rock and roll pioneer" because there's actually some merit to what he did for rock music, while hair metal bands of the 80's just gave us really trite garbage.

I don't disagree that Elvis was innovative in many ways. I was merely remarking on the strange reasoning of complaining that hair metal bands sought to appeal to women, when Elvis did exactly the same. Rock music wouldn't be rock music if it wasn't about 'sweaty dudes' trying to get laid. One of the greatest muses in rock music is the groupie -- without it you wouldn't have 'Layla' or 'Whole Lotta Love'.

I realise it's fashionable to mock hair metal bands, and but some of us have grown up enough to be indifferent to popular opinion. Hair metal was not trite, it was innovative. Bands like Van Halen, Winger and Whitesnake were incorporating complex guitar riffs into radio-friendly synth music in a way that had never really been seen before.

80s hair metal seems cringeworthy for a lot of reasons, because of the fashion. I rather like the fact that it was decadent, totally excessive and FUN (something that's really lacking in modern rock music, obvious comedy acts like Tenacious D notwithstanding).

Hair metal bands (or those with major hair metal influences) like Van Halen, Motley Crue, Aerosmith, Whitesnake, Guns n' Roses, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, The Scorpions, and Winger have contributed so much to the rock genre that it would seem barren without them, by any estimation.

 

[Montrealman]

Wha happened to Rock N Roll? It's continuously changing, as it always has. :2 cents:

 

[nightwanker]

What happened to the Roll
in Rock N' Roll?

It's alright to discuss about "What happened to Rock N' Roll?",
and it's also interesting,
but don't forget that this thread is about the whereabout of the Roll.
(Isn't it, L3ggy? Please correct me, if I'm wrong.)

 

[Christmas_Ape]

God put it in my soul, to give to everyone, but I must have forgot.

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

Repeatedly saying something is crappy in a variety of different ways doesn't really work as an argument, or justified opinion. "I can't see how you couldn't understand", "goddamned joke", "sweaty dudes" (as if other rockers don't sweat ), is all rather unconvincing.

I really don't see any point in convincing you, seeing how it's an opinion of one person (me). I can't make you see why I think that era of music is embarrassing. If you can't understand why I think it's embarrassing...well then...you're too far gone. It sure as shit was advancing Rock in any way, shape, or form.

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Well I have enjoyed new music since the early 80's; New Order, The Smiths, Wilco, Radiohead, Oasis and U2.

I am glad I am not stuck listening to Grunge, Hair Metal and 70's Crap rock like BTO, The Eagles and Molly Hatchet!

 

[L3ggy]

but don't forget that this thread is about the whereabout of the Roll.
(Isn't it, L3ggy? Please correct me, if I'm wrong.)

You're quite right nw.

 

[sexslave1]

To some degree it has moved into country music. (Not all country music, just some).

 

[gmaxman1212]

true rock and roll departed in the mid seventies when they decided to classify it into different genres i.e.punk, disco, metal

 

[09sundevil]

I'm trying to keep it alive... let me know what you think of my band... www.myspace.com/room33band

 

[maildude]

Rock n' Roll died around 1987. It was a slow, painful death unfortunately, but all good things must come to an end.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Everyone knows rock n' roll attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.

 

[Dawn]

Some bands are carrying more the Rock'n'Roll spirit than others. But in my mind, Rock'n'Roll died in the 60s after giving birth, thanks to the influences of other genres, to many different styles of Rock... that are since a long time no longer Rock'n'Roll.

A special mention to The Rolling Stones. Born in the rock'n'roll era and still carrying the spirit if not the genre.

:2 cents:

 

[thanksimout]

What Happend To The Roll In Rock N' Roll?

I think the Doobie Brothers smoked it.

 

[Yankeefan21325]

Why, pray tell, does "80s cock rock" not qualify as Rock and roll? Please, do inform us all why guys with guitars and drums don't qualify because they had hairspray on, but mopey jackasses with flannel acting miserable in the 90s does count.

H

I like both actually, so I believe they should both count.

 

[halucn8]

Oh man, I wish there were new good bands that played "classic rock" style music. That whole 70's-ish classic rock was the best. We need more Zeppelin, stones, etc.

 

[Yankeefan21325]

Oh man, I wish there were new good bands that played "classic rock" style music. That whole 70's-ish classic rock was the best. We need more Zeppelin, stones, etc.

I heard that KISS is going to be making a new album soon, and will be touring for the album next fall.

 

[hos]

A special mention to The Rolling Stones. Born in the rock'n'roll era and still carrying the spirit if not the genre.

the stones just live their own invented cliche of being "the rolling stones".

i think there's more than just a fine line between that and "carrying a spirit". they may are still cool and it's totally ok to enjoy their music, but i couldn't say that they were any kind of relevant for the things happend in the last 20 years of rock music.

investigate music without being blindfolded by genres or favorite bands - especially stay open for those sounds which are as awful as challenging to your ears (dissonance - there is so much power in it).

and never ever let others decide what's good for you to listen to.