What do you think about union jobs?
- Thread starter Frank Fire
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Somebody rep him for me:glugglug:
Done i am in local 222
Believe it or not, the world existed before the economic troubles two years ago. Unions were causing problems in this country forty years ago, striking over ridiculous things (the colour of the canteen walls, getting a fully qualified electrician to change a lightbulb etc) instead of actually negotiating for genuine rights.
And yes, from the picket lines I've seen, union members can get very violent towards those who decide that current conditions are sufficient for their needs.
The only union we need here is the European Union, who make the laws instead of causing problems for employers, non-union workers and sometimes the innocent public.
As others have said here, unions have outlived their usefulness, however I accept that things may be different in America and other places, where employee rights and wage structures are a generation behind ours. :wave2:
unions are good in the sense that they seek to prevent companies from raping their workers and bad in the sense that in doing so they sometimes rape their workers
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
I think unions have their good points...but they do a lot of idiotic things too.
In December the postal workers at TNT decided to strike because the company wanted to scrap about 12,000 workers (postal is privatized over here now). That's all good and jolly...except they decided to strike within the 2 weeks before Christmas.
Even better, because of the strikes and the lack of guarentee that the Christmas cards sent via their online shop (they have a really cool card service where you can make custom cards and have them sent out without leaving home or touching a stamp), not as many people used the service.
End result? TNT of course just announced a loss of profit last quarter and are still going to have to cut jobs because of that.
If it were me, I'd be pretty fucking pissed at the Union because striking during the biggest profit season is the dumbest idea EVER. Not great for job security if you ask me.
In December the postal workers at TNT decided to strike because the company wanted to scrap about 12,000 workers (postal is privatized over here now). That's all good and jolly...except they decided to strike within the 2 weeks before Christmas.
Even better, because of the strikes and the lack of guarentee that the Christmas cards sent via their online shop (they have a really cool card service where you can make custom cards and have them sent out without leaving home or touching a stamp), not as many people used the service.
End result? TNT of course just announced a loss of profit last quarter and are still going to have to cut jobs because of that.
If it were me, I'd be pretty fucking pissed at the Union because striking during the biggest profit season is the dumbest idea EVER. Not great for job security if you ask me.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Mate, I'm British too, we can talk on a level.
Now, lets remember that unions should (and sometimes do) make sure employers obey the employment laws and treat their workers as human beings rather than machines.
The EU? You mean that entity which has an unelected bureau sitting on top and controlling it?
You're not making a strong case for either.
If I remember right you live in Holland. Your postal service recently announced it was unable to deliver the mail on sundays or mondays, yet is now attempting to take over... Royal mail!
Tell me if you want me to dig up the exact details of that story...
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
Doesn't surprise me.
And, the fact they don't work on Sunday comes from the fact that everyone should be in church, not shopping or working. It's the Lord's day afterall! And Mondays because it's become the cultural norm...most shops don't even open until 13:00 over here.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
So everyone is in church, right?
This is annoying: I have to ASK to come in an hour later on sunday so I can quickly pop into church
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
So everyone is in church, right?
This is annoying: I have to ASK to come in an hour later on sunday so I can quickly pop into church
Of course we're all in church!
Supafly
Retired Mod
We did not talk yet about another angle that really makes me mad:
I am paying my union fees and doing union work and helping to get the company bosses to let us share the profit we accomplish...
... but every guy who does not give a shit and does not pay or put in ANY effort gets the same benefits.
That should be different.
I am paying my union fees and doing union work and helping to get the company bosses to let us share the profit we accomplish...
... but every guy who does not give a shit and does not pay or put in ANY effort gets the same benefits.
That should be different.
