SBTNW
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good question. nobody answers yet...
couldn't agree more. inmigrants are A LOT more hard-workers that north-americans. in fact, they got the "inmigration" problem as an excuse.
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Want a Summer Job? Get in Line [After All Those Immigrants we Let in]
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good question. nobody answers yet...
couldn't agree more. inmigrants are A LOT more hard-workers that north-americans. in fact, they got the "inmigration" problem as an excuse.
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sputnikgirl
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There's a difference between can't and won't...I never said people can't, I said the problem is people won't. By the way, ever heard of racial profiling? There's no way Operation Wetback would be possible today, because it would lead to mass racial profiling. Hmm...can we name another instance where people were deported based on their race and ethnic background...sorry, too close to Nazism for my taste.
Facetious
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I often wonder if Mexico would extend the same courtesy if the reverse was under way. NOT ! After all, they shoot to kill (summary execute) those who would penetrate their southern border.
Also, how diverse is Mexico ? They don't accept any immigrants, nor can a non citizen purchase private property. They sure, they enjoy our monies at resort destinations, as does Coo - ba (cuba). And why don't the selective fascists within this thread (whoever you are) take after the Mexican govt for hoarding the monies that would / could otherwise be used for / as funding for their own healthcare establishment(s) instead of exporting their needy patients northward, only to weaken our system ? You'll remember this post the next time that you must visit your local hospital.
Isn't Mexico approximately the 10th, 11th or 12th richest nations in the world ? :wtf: ?
Also, how diverse is Mexico ? They don't accept any immigrants, nor can a non citizen purchase private property. They sure, they enjoy our monies at resort destinations, as does Coo - ba (cuba). And why don't the selective fascists within this thread (whoever you are) take after the Mexican govt for hoarding the monies that would / could otherwise be used for / as funding for their own healthcare establishment(s) instead of exporting their needy patients northward, only to weaken our system ? You'll remember this post the next time that you must visit your local hospital.
Isn't Mexico approximately the 10th, 11th or 12th richest nations in the world ? :wtf: ?
Facetious
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I see your point, but I think you are a bit off key. why would we want to compare American policy with a countries that restricts peoples freedoms and civil liberties? You really think that government corruption and doing away with due process for offenders is an approach that we should adopt, that would be better for us?
In the past I have had disagreements with other, shall we say, "leftist" members on here because I was attacking Mexico's policy. I'm an equal opportunity hater.
I think we have a tradition of holding to a higher standard than what dictators do. Sure China is one of the worst, but that doesn't mean anything short of it is good or better. it's just not as bad.
In the past I have had disagreements with other, shall we say, "leftist" members on here because I was attacking Mexico's policy. I'm an equal opportunity hater.
I think we have a tradition of holding to a higher standard than what dictators do. Sure China is one of the worst, but that doesn't mean anything short of it is good or better. it's just not as bad.
Ninety, you perfectly illustrate why it's pointless, in today's political and economic world, to bother debating Conservatives. You are simply a dumbshit, dude. Did you bother to even read the article you cited or did you just get a Xenophobic boner simply from reading the headline and then you jumped to the faulty conclusion that the people "in line" were displaced American worker teens who had their jobs replaced by illegals?
If you have the attention span and the discipline to read this quote taken from your article, it basically sums up the gist of what's going on in Minnesota and the rest of the Nation:
You have started and participated in various "racial issue" threads and your attitude is always the same...that of an out-of-touch, white-supremacist. Until you prove otherwise, having an honest discussion with you about race in America is about as effective as having a discussion about clean air with the ceos of Big Oil....you and they just don't give a fuck.
Undocumented workers are a problem within America. They are a problem created by big business running roughshod over the interests of Americans for the quest of high profit margins. Undocumented workers are too poor and afraid to hold employers accountable...basically.
If you actually "gain some knowledge" about racial issues in this country, I believe, given the crumbling state of our country and economy, that the case could be made for an "Immigration Time Out" for, say, 10 years while we assimilate the people we have here now. We do not need anymore workers. We need jobs and higher wages.
If they were payed a decent wage, they (people, including me, would do the job).
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You have been good enough to respond to me in the past, in numerous threads/posts, and that was cool of you. I just want to say, T, besides a few stupid posts, I have not said much stupid stuff. Some of it was political, but I still love everyone here on this Forum. Plus, please keep in mind that I am the kind of person that would stop and pull over to help you out if your car was broke down. I would stop (and have stopped) to help people out if their car is in trouble. Back on the point, don't "undocumented" workers take jobs away from people that have been here legally? Isn't, again, that the point?
Facetious
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And you have the audacity to post a link from the s.p.l.c. ? This is not a legitimate news source. It's activist, we know that.
Maybe the names of the three individuals you listed have a quarrel with the splc (?) That said, please legitimize your case that these three are in fact what you and the splc claim. Do you have credible sources ? You know, legitimate news links to support your claim ? Otherwise this is a waste of time and we can simply part with a difference of opinion, which is fine.
Yeah plus most of the companies are shipping their jobs overseas to China and Asia.
Facetious
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As these activist's emerge, the body politic weakens, the nation crumbles and we're consumed by a dictatorial regime and or nation. The activist approach, IMO, is to see that through.
^ ^ ^ ^ And stop with the name calling, the self aggrandizing, condescending know all !
You exhibit just another opinion ! That's All !
This is a sound bite. lol !
You would help me because I'm white.
The article you cited has nothing to do with illegal immigrants/undocumented workers. It doesn't. The reason teens in MN and other parts of the nation aren't finding jobs is because companies aren't hiring or they are hiring semi-retired workers or fresh out of college workers who are agreeing to become "underemployed." Or, as Sputnik said, more teens today are growing up more materially-advantaged, narcissistic, lazy...(who pays the cellphone bill?)
I think someday you'll come to realize that people are people. Most Latinos are conservative people who share the same values as you do --work hard, leave me alone to do my thing, obey laws, desire to buy nice cars and homes someday. Same goes for African-Americans.
It's only the small group of "bad apples"--gang bangers/pimps/crackheads/fuck ups, that for some reason, you let form your entire opinion for the mass amount of "colored" peoples.
White Supremacy groups that use the bible as their "foundation" are, of course, hypocrites because there are no white people in the Bible! What color and background are Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Moses? They ain't White people.
I am certainly more Liberal than you politically but I see the need to "reign in" immigration. I do think it harms our economy today. But what frightens me more are fences on borders and the sight of seeing Americans turn on Americans or people being rounded up the middle of city streets, packed onto trucks and hauled off somewhere. This is American 2008---not East Europe 1940s...
tartanterrier
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Isn't the US & Canada fully consumed by immigrants anyway (No offense intended of course) I just wonder what an Native American view would be on this 
Do you really believe that Mexico exports its sick to be treated in the U.S.? Most Mexicans come to America today (and within the past 20 years) because American Companies place HELP WANTED ads in Mexican newspapers. They come for the jobs. Plain and simple. The ones that do get sick do come to Emergency Rooms for treatment because their employers don't offer Health Insurance. If Health Insurance were affordable and mandated--the Mexican worker would have it or he/she wouldn't be hired. SO...VOTE DEM and we'll get our "affordable" healthcare for everyone. We actually want ALL PEOPLE to be covered (Even those nasty Illegals) because, FAcetious, if there is a 3rd World disease, like T.B., Malaria, BoogeyMan Virus, don't we want that patient to come forward, be treated or would you rather have that person be a "Marginalized" Typhoid Mary?
Mexican people do not come here, by and large, to become Americans. They come here to work and send money back to Mexico, with the intention of someday returning to Mexico. If we polled Undocumented Mexicans in an "honest" environment, do you really think they all would choose America over their birth land? WOuld you choose another country over your birth land?
I don't know. According to what measurement and which poll? Are you, too, to lazy to do your own work and find the fact to support your argument? It sounds to me like you, Facetious, are talking out your bunghole here...
Isn't the US & Canada fully consumed by immigrants anyway (No offense intended of course) I just wonder what an Native American view would be on this
The Native American is laughing on his ass right now as he's realized how dumb the U.S. has been all this time.
There is a "not too publicly-known" Water Crisis about to Drop on our Asses, courtesy of Native American Tribes from Montana all the way Southward to New Mexico because our "smart" Gov't banished these tribes back in the 1800s "out of sight" and off to what we thought were the shithole lands with nothing but "sticks."
Well, it turns out that there are MANY reservations situated nicely by large water supplies--rivers, lakes, etc. And these Tribes realize that with Global Warming and low rain yields in this particular area...water is about to become VERY VALUABLE to them and us.
Native American tribes are forming "Water Rights" laws which they are preparing to sell back to the U.S. Gov't for Hundreds of Billions of dollars. It's all legal.
Not assimilating Native American tribes into the fabric of Contemporary America...that's about to become a very expensive mistake. We didn't pickup on the earlier warning when certain tribes started consolidating membership and constructing Casinos.
I live in California...the Indian tribes are deeply connected into Ballot initiative funding...and supporting certain candidates....they have shitloads of money to make sure their power grows....they know all the code words to get something passed "support education" "build schools" "create jobs" etc..
:rofl::rofl:....ooooh, 96 has been BUSTED!!!
I said "what next? Stormfront?" but I guess you've already done that shit.
Sad.
It's funny that you mention that, as 96 implied way back towards the beginning of this thread that the "filthy lying media" have basically taken the side of the illegal immigrants, and are therefore advocates and activists themselves. (Is a conspiracy underfoot?
)I've read plenty about Sam Francis, Jared Taylor and Brimelow, and not just at splc. Their words speak for themselves, and splc quoted them accurately. And yes, I'm sure leaders and members of ALL the hate groups, including the Klan and Stormfront, have "a quarrel with the splc."
I'm not here to educate you. If you want to learn more about those guys, it's easy to find their excretions all over the web. I'd rather not spread that kind of stuff around any further than it's already gone. White power and various racist groups are already on the rise, and apparently there are some folks here who are - while not being racists themselves
- are susceptible to their various lines of hateful b.s. and violent rhetoric. I'm not going to feed it myself.When I identify something or someone as racist I don't confuse that with making an argument. But the more "polite" forms of racism are often masked under various other arguments and guises. It makes it that much more insidious.
It is quite possible that Dobbs IS "about" helping the lower/middle class, even though he is not among it. It's possible for the wealthy to care about those further down the (socio)economic ladder (just remember that the next time you bash a wealthy Dem, such as John Edwards). It's also possible for someone who wants to help the lower/middle class to engage in racism and to focus their concerns in such a way that, explicitly or implicitly, they are furthering racist narratives and feeding racist impulses. One can care about helping the lower/middle class and still be a racist - it's not inherently contradictory.
Immigration into Britain from the newer EU states particularly Poland has increased markedly .. with all the issues that it raises coming to the forefront.
One city where it has been cited as a problem is Peterborough .. where Poles have been working in the farming sector. A TV reporter stood outside the JobCentre interviewing local youths who readily trotted out the "foreign scum taking our jobs" routine.
The interviewer returned later and promised the same youths a job for £7 an hour .. ($14) a rate above the minimum wage .. they said they would rather draw the dole .. than work picking vegetables.
The point has been made about employers hiring illegals in the US .. I feel this is such a big part of the problem .. if employers were not so profit greedy and hired legal local workers the problem would diminish ..
One city where it has been cited as a problem is Peterborough .. where Poles have been working in the farming sector. A TV reporter stood outside the JobCentre interviewing local youths who readily trotted out the "foreign scum taking our jobs" routine.
The interviewer returned later and promised the same youths a job for £7 an hour .. ($14) a rate above the minimum wage .. they said they would rather draw the dole .. than work picking vegetables.
The point has been made about employers hiring illegals in the US .. I feel this is such a big part of the problem .. if employers were not so profit greedy and hired legal local workers the problem would diminish ..
Yes the agenda is and has been clear.Just look at this thread.Take a story that has nothing to do with immigration and try to use it as a case against it.Then say its the biased media that doesn't tell the truth about such things,that is why there is no mention of immigrants in the story.
Makes me wonder ninety-six if you don't trust the media just how have you concluded there is any immigration problem at all.I mean where have you learned this from if not the media?Or is not just certain media that does not conform to your agenda that is not to be trusted? The agenda is clear you think america as having a "european culture"(and yes that is code for white culture) is under siege.As you expressed in this post from not that long ago.
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=1907865&postcount=37
So we can only conclude that it is more about where immigrants are from then immigration itself.I don't know why you try to run away from that so much as I think that view is actually very prevelant in the country when it comes to the debate over immigration.The problem with all that is that it's like trying to swim against the tide of changes that are always happening in our culture.New groups have always faced this same resentment.Protestant america thought all the catholic immigrants(Irish and Italians mainly) would change america fundamentally and they were widely resented and discriminated against for a time.But we got passed that and absorbed them into our common culture for the most part.And the truth is that with or without immigration Hispanics are going to be a large segment of our culture as they already are.I have no doubt that like the Italians and Irish they will be assimilated and their differences as americans will be relatively insignificant in the future.