US during crack era compared to Mexico present day

[laxe]

We all know about all the ******** in mexico right now due to the **** cartel war, and can agree that it houses one of the, if not the most dangerous city in the world today. Here's some of the ****** stats of Juarez compared to US dangerous cities, during the crack era.

Juarez- Population 1.3 million

2008- 1,600 *******
2009- 2,600 ******* (****** rate 130 per 100k)
2010- 3,075 ******* (****** rate of 229 per 100k)
2011- 53 ******* in 3 days
As you can see, the ******** fueled by the **** wars in the city have cause an alarming number of homicides in the city.

However, alot of Americans nowadays, may have forgotten, our own country went threw a similiar period that was just as violent. Some people may overlook it, but America was just as bad, not even 20 years ago.

South Central LA- Population around 500,000

1991-769 *******(****** rate 153.8)
1992- 819 *******(****** rate 163.8 per 100 k)
*Same year as the notorious LA riots, 53 killings during the riots, most of which happened the first 2 days.
*803 gang related homicides
1993-807 *******( ****** rate 161.4 per 100 k)
*804 of these were gang related

Keep in mind that this is just for south central alone, not counting the LA area as a whole, which did get into the thousands, and when you add surrounded cities such as Long Beach, inglewood, compton, the area got 2000+ homicides during each of these 3 years.

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Another place I would like to point out is Chicago. This was also one of the most violent places during the Crack era. I dont have full ****** stats but I do want to point out some key incidents that happened during this era.

*1991, during the first 4 months of the year, the Englewood neighborhood in Southside Chicago(population 40,000) had 81 *******.

* Robert Taylor Housing projects. During one weekend in these projects(Population 27,000), there was a reported 300 people shot, which 28 homicides. For one weekend.

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So while this may all be in the past, and the cities i used as examples may not have been as bad as current day Juarez, it is something to think about as our own country was once home to places with a similar level of carnage.

 

[vodkazvictim]

With luck the Mexicans can make a better improvement to their country in 20 years time than the yanks did.

 

[Rey C.]

Great thread, Laxe. :thumbsup: A few other areas you might look at in the late 80's to early 90's: Washington, D.C., Gary, Indiana and Richmond, VA. If I'm not mistaken, these three cities traded the "****** Capital of the U.S." award back & forth several times during that period. I was doing business in Richmond and the greater Washington area during that time, and the ******** would sometimes spread out into what one would consider to be "nicer areas". Very scary time.

I was just commenting in the thread about The Wire. One thing I took from that show is that in many inner cities, the **** trade has become THE industry. It's sad, but I guess people often go with whatever is most familiar to them. So if you grow up in the Hamptons, chances are you'll be an investment banker. But if you grow up in a housing project off MLK Blvd. in SE Washington, chances are you'll become involved in the **** trade.

As for Mexico, I'm expecting it (or many areas within) to eventually sink to the level of Colombia in the mid to late 80's - if it hasn't already.

 

[Kingfisher]

If they just walled in the city, all the way around, it would be a proper prison. Solve a lot of problems. Let the gangs shoot it out. Civilians run for it, set up Juarz 2.

 

[CunningStunts]

US Government solution - let them all into the US.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Lets not forget that California and Illinois also have/had some of the strictest *** laws in the country...and Mexico doesn't allow it's law abiding citizens to defend themselves either. I guess *** control really does work.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

We all know about all the ******** in mexico right now due to the **** cartel war, and can agree that it houses one of the, if not the most dangerous city in the world today. Here's some of the ****** stats of Juarez compared to US dangerous cities, during the crack era.

Juarez- Population 1.3 million

2008- 1,600 *******
2009- 2,600 ******* (****** rate 130 per 100k)
2010- 3,075 ******* (****** rate of 229 per 100k)
2011- 53 ******* in 3 days
As you can see, the ******** fueled by the **** wars in the city have cause an alarming number of homicides in the city.

However, alot of Americans nowadays, may have forgotten, our own country went threw a similiar period that was just as violent. Some people may overlook it, but America was just as bad, not even 20 years ago.

South Central LA- Population around 500,000

1991-769 *******(****** rate 153.8)
1992- 819 *******(****** rate 163.8 per 100 k)
*Same year as the notorious LA riots, 53 killings during the riots, most of which happened the first 2 days.
*803 gang related homicides
1993-807 *******( ****** rate 161.4 per 100 k)
*804 of these were gang related

Keep in mind that this is just for south central alone, not counting the LA area as a whole, which did get into the thousands, and when you add surrounded cities such as Long Beach, inglewood, compton, the area got 2000+ homicides during each of these 3 years.

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Another place I would like to point out is Chicago. This was also one of the most violent places during the Crack era. I dont have full ****** stats but I do want to point out some key incidents that happened during this era.

*1991, during the first 4 months of the year, the Englewood neighborhood in Southside Chicago(population 40,000) had 81 *******.

* Robert Taylor Housing projects. During one weekend in these projects(Population 27,000), there was a reported 300 people shot, which 28 homicides. For one weekend.

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So while this may all be in the past, and the cities i used as examples may not have been as bad as current day Juarez, it is something to think about as our own country was once home to places with a similar level of carnage.

Why is this important to know exactly? I'd also add that a good share of that ******** in LA had it's origin in Mexican border and prison gangs.

 

[LukeEl]

A good 65% of that is going to the houses of Andy Dick and Charlie Sheen.

 

[laxe]

Why is this important to know exactly? I'd also add that a good share of that ******** in LA had it's origin in Mexican border and prison gangs.

Maybe you should visit LA and stop watching fox news.
I can tell you first hand, growing up in LA county(Long Beach) that atleast 95% of the ******** is from people born and raised in the county.
Prison gangs? Dont let the media fool you, these **** nowadays shoot just to shoot, they can care less about some prison gangs.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Maybe you should visit LA and stop watching fox news.
I can tell you first hand, growing up in LA county(Long Beach) that atleast 95% of the ******** is from people born and raised in the county.
Prison gangs? Dont let the media fool you, these **** nowadays shoot just to shoot, they can care less about some prison gangs.

I don't watch FOX news and I look at the analysis on crime in southern California to see the link to Mexican and Salvadorean gangs for my opinion.

 

[Stephen1956]

Flint, Michigan, also made a new record last year for the number of ******* reported. The
Northern Mexico **** wars remind me of the Prohibition era in the 1930's in Chicago, with gangsters like Al Capone and others. Then, it was over control of ******* *******. In Northern Mexico today, it's over control of ******* *********. With the end of prohibition against *******, the Chicago gang wars ended.
Would ending the federal schedule I status of *********, and allowing individual counties to regulate it, end the **** wars in Northern Mexico? Yes.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Flint, Michigan, also made a new record last year for the number of ******* reported. The
Northern Mexico **** wars remind me of the Prohibition era in the 1930's in Chicago, with gangsters like Al Capone and others. Then, it was over control of ******* *******. In Northern Mexico today, it's over control of ******* *********. With the end of prohibition against *******, the Chicago gang wars ended.
Would ending the federal schedule I status of *********, and allowing individual counties to regulate it, end the **** wars in Northern Mexico? Yes.

Then comes the ****....then the heroin.

Don't get me wrong, I thing pot should be legal. In fact I miss smoking it, a lot. But these ******* will find something to fuel their ******* activities. Even if you make ALL ***** legal.

 

[El Perro Mayor]

The ******** here in Mexico is fueled by the demand in the United States. No way around that, also the guns sold legally in the U.S. are smuggled across the boarders. You put the money and we put the dead.

 

[John_8581]

Here's one.... A U.S. city ... during the crack era and today. Anyone here from Jersey??. Camden, New Jersey was and still is a rathole. Just saying.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Here's one.... A U.S. city ... during the crack era and today. Anyone here from Jersey??. Camden, New Jersey was and still is a rathole. Just saying.

Camden is a city that needs to have it's inhabitants resettled across cities and large towns in the tri-state area. There are a lot of normal ******** who grow up to be losers and criminals because they are surrounded by failure. You put them in an average town and a lot of them will grow up to be average ****. Obviously what happens in the home matters the most, but Camden is a failure factory.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

Speaking of Camden, N.J.....

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[Mr. Daystar]

The ******** here in Mexico is fueled by the demand in the United States. No way around that, also the guns sold legally in the U.S. are smuggled across the boarders. You put the money and we put the dead.

Less then 10% of those guns are American. A vast majority come from the South, and your corrupt politicians, and police *****. Your country is one of the richest in the world, but your people live in poverty. If you want guns to stop coming in, lock your borders. Your country does far less to contain it's trash, then we do to try and get red of it. Your president is Socialist trash, that wants to flood our country with the dregs of humanity, and bring our standard of living down to nothing.

 

[Red Spyder]

Less then 10% of those guns are American. A vast majority come from the South, and your corrupt politicians, and police *****. Your country is one of the richest in the world, but your people live in poverty. If you want guns to stop coming in, lock your borders. Your country does far less to contain it's trash, then we do to try and get red of it. Your president is Socialist trash, that wants to flood our country with the dregs of humanity, and bring our standard of living down to nothing.

I'm sorry to say this, but it doesn't matter what you tell Mexicans, but from the comments I keep reading in Mexican forums, I get the impression that even if you were to show them irrefutable evidence to the contrary, they will still believe that **** cartels are going to *** stores in the U.S. and buying anything from full auto M-16's to RPG-7's and hand grenades. I live in Texas and not even here can you buy RPG-7's in our *** stores.

Premium Link Upgrade by STRATFOR about how of the more or less 34,000 guns confiscated in Mexico in 2008, only 7,200 were turned over to ATF for tracing and it was from those 7,200 where you got the old "90% of guns in the **** war come from the U.S." argument, not from the entire 34,000 total confiscated guns.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I'm sorry to say this, but it doesn't matter what you tell Mexicans, but from the comments I keep reading in Mexican forums, I get the impression that even if you were to show them irrefutable evidence to the contrary, they will still believe that **** cartels are going to *** stores in the U.S. and buying anything from full auto M-16's to RPG-7's and hand grenades. I live in Texas and not even here can you buy RPG-7's in our *** stores.

Premium Link Upgrade by STRATFOR about how of the more or less 34,000 guns confiscated in Mexico in 2008, only 7,200 were turned over to ATF for tracing and it was from those 7,200 where you got the old "90% of guns in the **** war come from the U.S." argument, not from the entire 34,000 total confiscated guns.

Absolutely correct. Mexicans LOVE their propaganda, especially the kind which absolves Mexicans or wrongdoing and places it on the pinche gringo or perpetuates the myth that Mexico is better than the U.S.

I've met many educated Mexicans who buy that hook, line and sinker.

Especially the ones that don't realize I've been to Mexico several times...and not to the tourist areas.