United States of ALEC

Our vote is shit in America. Just voting for a person that will work with ALEC and lobbyist.

They target state and the national government on what big business wants passed and what they don't want to passed. They have been doing this for 40 years.

Home of the free. Yeah right. They blind us with like Bob said BS TV with commercials he said on another thread "15 minutes can save you whatever %". And sporting events like during the Roman Empire Colosseum events to distract us and make it seem like you should be proud for living in a country where your vote counts and is the most democratic form anywhere in the world.

Glad now I didn't show up to the polls for the midterms. Wake up America. Coporations are not people. And I never heard of ALEC and always blamed the koch Bros. But those two are not alone pulling the wool over our eyes that your vote counts. While us Americans sit on all types of forums bitching on which corrupt political party is the best and sometimes insulting each other to prove what was fed to you is right. Divide and conquer is the strategy anyways.

 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
It doesn't have to be that way. And there are fellow citizens who step up and do the right thing.

But it is and will be very hard work.

 
It doesn't have to be that way. And there are fellow citizens who step up and do the right thing.

But it is and will be very hard states. work.


Good point in the video. Alaska might have it right with a former GOP member winning for GOV as an independent. Small winning margin but maybe a model for the other 49 states.

Independent Walker ousts Parnell in close Alaska governor's race
By Sara Fischer, CNN
updated 11:17 AM EST, Sat November 15, 2014

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CNN projects independent candidate Bill Walker will be Alaska's next governor.

(CNN) -- CNN projects independent candidate Bill Walker has won the Alaska gubernatorial race, defeating Republican incumbent Sean Parnell.

Walker, a lawyer and local politician, is the first independent to win the seat in Alaska's statehood. The former Valdez mayor and city councilor announced that he would run as an independent in 2013 after Parnell defeated him by a wide margin in the 2010 Republican primary en route to becoming governor.

The race was too close to call on election night, with Walker showing less than a 3,000-vote lead over Parnell. Saturday morning, after questioned ballots were adjudicated and early votes, absentee ballots and outstanding ballots had been calculated, Walker led Parnell by just over 4,600 votes.

Byron Mallott, a Democratic primary candidate with whom Walker merged his campaign, will become lieutenant governor.

The breakdown of governorships starting in January 2015 is now 31 held by Republicans, 17 Democrats and one independent. The outcome of the race in Vermont is still unresolved.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Glad now I didn't show up to the polls for the midterms. Wake up America. Coporations are not people. And I never heard of ALEC and always blamed the koch Bros. But those two are not alone pulling the wool over our eyes that your vote counts. While us Americans sit on all types of forums bitching on which corrupt political party is the best and sometimes insulting each other to prove what was fed to you is right. Divide and conquer is the strategy anyways.

You decry the state of affairs, yet forgo the only small power you have to change said state. I don't understand the point of that.
 
You decry the state of affairs, yet forgo the only small power you have to change said state. I don't understand the point of that.
When the only choice is between a Republican and a Democrat running on republican policies, how should you vote when you're a progressive ?

The probel is that wen Republicans win and Democrats looses, Demcrats think they should be more conservative. That's false, they looses because progressive don't show up when democrats run as conservatives, they do show up when they run as progressives
 
You decry the state of affairs, yet forgo the only small power you have to change said state. I don't understand the point of that.

Because I'm a moderate and I meant by wasting my time is because during midterm election the GOP supporters vote more. After finding out the ALEC is majority GOP, would of been a waste of time. Nice to know Scott Walker had a scripted agenda as one of the 8 ALEC members that won in 2010.

Only a grass root action to change minds is needed for candidates that don't run for a party, and we stop campaign financing will it be worth it. See like in the movie "Bullsworth" if we just use C-Span for candidates to state why vote for me is the only way we untie our politicians hands from returning an investment on some big spender that wants their agenda pushed.

George Washington in his farewell address about political parties:

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty." — George Washington, September 19, 1796
 
and we stop campaign financing will it be worth it.

Recently the senate voted to overturn the citizens united decision. Every single senate democrat voted to overturn, every single senate republican voted to keep it. Yes, members of both parties are compelled to work for campaign finance, and yes, this country should be deeply ashamed that campaign finance provides one of the best returns on investment a company can make. But only one party wants to keep it that way.
 
How Washington's stand on political parties fits today.

Washington (George) got it right

By Robert Alexander, Special to CNN
updated 2:55 PM EDT, Wed October 16, 2013

(CNN) -- The first President of the United States got it right. In his farewell address, George Washington warned of the "continual mischiefs of the spirit of party" making it the "interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it." In other words, he cautioned against the dangers of political parties.
Washington was keenly aware of the destructive nature of political parties and was concerned they would "enfeeble public administration." With myriad affected agencies and thousands of furloughed federal workers, this is exactly where the country finds itself today.
Washington is not typically held in the same intellectual esteem that some of his counterparts are -- Madison, Hamilton and Jefferson come to mind. However, Washington's farewell address is among the most prescient documents ever penned by a President. In it, he cautioned against the vengeful practices of political parties. To him, parties put their own interests above those of the country.

He warned: "The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism." Both parties today would likely level such charges against one another, while most Americans recognize that both parties share responsibility for the current situation.
In addition to his concerns about political party mischief, he also warned of the dangers of accumulating debt. He argued that for a country to enjoy safety and strength, it should "cherish public credit." Running up debt would be tantamount to unethical behavior to future generations.
Tea party Republicans have succeeded in heeding Washington's concern by bringing the eyes of the country squarely upon the issue of debt. However, the recalcitrance of the tea party Republicans to compromise has also put the country at great risk, at least in Washington's eyes, given his dedication to maintaining America's credit.

Washington was not a fan of taxation, but he abhorred debt even more. He wrote: "It is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant."
Washington encouraged future generations to change policies they did not like by constitutional amendment or through the electoral process, rather than positioning their party to enjoy short-term benefits.
The first President's dislike for political parties still fits with the reality in which most Americans live today.
Political scientist Morris Fiorina has argued that the divisions between Americans have been far overblown. He contends that the so-called culture wars are a myth. While the neat and tidy categories of red and blue states make for interesting media narratives, they fail to depict accurately the ideological beliefs of the citizenry.
Fiorina points out that most Americans are not hard-core ideologues. On the whole, Americans are far more agreeable on most issues than the media depict. We love a good fight and as conflict tends to attract audiences, the media are quick to point to areas where conflict exists. Yet agreement among citizens is the norm, rather than the exception.

The effect of the polarized nation narrative is disillusionment for many Americans and undue influence for the more ideological in our midst.
Some context is helpful. While more than $2.6 billion was spent in the 2012 presidential campaign, 40% of Americans still chose to sit the election out. Those who do participate typically are among the most ideological in the electorate. This tends to produce candidates who are in turn more ideologically oriented.
When more ideological candidates are chosen in primaries, it leads to more ideological choices for voters. These choices likely do not reflect the preferences of the average citizen but instead more likely reflect the preferences among a party's more ideological members.
This cycle becomes increasingly embedded when congressional districts are drawn to support such a system. The end result is what we see happening in Washington today -- gridlock based upon both partisan and ideological whims.
A common criticism is that both parties are putting their own interests above the interests of the United States. Once again, Washington offers good advice to our current policymakers. "The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles."

For the sake of the country and the world economy, let us hope that our representatives begin to see themselves as Americans, rather than Democrats and Republicans. Thank you Mr. President.
 
Recently the senate voted to overturn the citizens united decision. Every single senate democrat voted to overturn, every single senate republican voted to keep it. Yes, members of both parties are compelled to work for campaign finance, and yes, this country should be deeply ashamed that campaign finance provides one of the best returns on investment a company can make. But only one party wants to keep it that way.

Those are the ones being influenced by ALEC.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
When the only choice is between a Republican and a Democrat running on republican policies, how should you vote when you're a progressive ?
Dismissing your false dilemma: Green, just for one example.

Because I'm a moderate and I meant by wasting my time is because during midterm election the GOP supporters vote more.
To abstain is to acquiesce to this status quo. If you like the status quo, this is a good strategy. Otherwise...
 
To abstain is to acquiesce to this status quo. If you like the status quo, this is a good strategy. Otherwise...

More on not a silent protest but getting off my ass finding like minded people who are also sick of this mess called American politics and start a real movement. The best way is to educate the young.
 

bobjustbob

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When the only choice is between a Republican and a Democrat running on republican policies, how should you vote when you're a progressive ?

The probel is that wen Republicans win and Democrats looses, Demcrats think they should be more conservative. That's false, they looses because progressive don't show up when democrats run as conservatives, they do show up when they run as progressives

Senators and Congressmen don't just pop up out of nowhere. They hold offices at the local level and go through the primary process also. That is where you can sort them out before they hit the national trail. Put the xBox down or miss a night of Hannity/Maddow to visit your local candidates speaking engagements. You get to look them in the eye and ask them questions. Don't blame the voters for the poor choices, blame the people that sit on their asses and don't vote.
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.

While midterm coverage is largely focused on the parts of Congress that do very little, vital (and bizarre) midterm elections are going unexamined. State legislators pass a lot of bills, and some of that efficiency is thanks to a group called ALEC that writes legislation for them. It’s as shady as it sounds!

He starts talking about ALEC at 12:45. The whole video is worth watching though if you want some perspective on state legislatures.

15:16 might be the greatest joke ever.
 
Discussion about ALEC on The Diane Rheem Show 10/2/14

Three sided debate. Lisa from "ALEC", Tom from the "Washington Post", and Miles from "Common Sense".

 
Recently the senate voted to overturn the citizens united decision. Every single senate democrat voted to overturn, every single senate republican voted to keep it. Yes, members of both parties are compelled to work for campaign finance, and yes, this country should be deeply ashamed that campaign finance provides one of the best returns on investment a company can make. But only one party wants to keep it that way.

Why Did A Campaign Finance Reform Group Fall Short On Election Day?
http://www.npr.org/2014/11/15/36435...nance-reform-group-fall-short-on-election-day
 
Senators and Congressmen don't just pop up out of nowhere. They hold offices at the local level and go through the primary process also. That is where you can sort them out before they hit the national trail. Put the xBox down or miss a night of Hannity/Maddow to visit your local candidates speaking engagements. You get to look them in the eye and ask them questions. Don't blame the voters for the poor choices, blame the people that sit on their asses and don't vote.

I think most, like me, that don't vote all the time is from the dis-function in DC, attack ads that are mostly from a outside party, and no trust from what you hear from the candidates themselves.


Like Scott Walker. Campaigning in 2010 he never revealed what his true plans were going to be.
 
Because a very high percentage of Americans are uninformed or misinformed therefore they vote in kind. If 80% of Americans actually voted I fear that someone like Snoop Dogg would be president because 'hey I know that name' would come into play.
 
Senators and Congressmen don't just pop up out of nowhere. They hold offices at the local level and go through the primary process also. That is where you can sort them out before they hit the national trail. Put the xBox down or miss a night of Hannity/Maddow to visit your local candidates speaking engagements. You get to look them in the eye and ask them questions. Don't blame the voters for the poor choices, blame the people that sit on their asses and don't vote.
True. But when you talk about "people that sit on their asses and don't vote", i do not feel concerned : I never missed any election since I'm 18
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
You decry the state of affairs, yet forgo the only small power you have to change said state. I don't understand the point of that.

Everyone talks about how conservative Texas is but only about 29% of all registered voters cast a ballot in the last election. About 57% of them voted republican overall. That means the fate and future of Texas for the next 2 to 4 years was decided by only 16.5% of the registered voter population (not the overall population). Anyone who thinks their vote doesn't count needs to think again. We're letting a slight minority of voters speak for all of us....at least here in Texas.
 
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