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Turns out there really was Voter registration fraud going on

and the Republicans paid millions to do it:

Republicans fire firm accused of voter registration fraud
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/27/2382464/republicans-fire-firm-accused.html

Commentary: Republicans are playing defense over voter registration fraud
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/02/4301609/commentary-republicans-are-playing.html

Voter registration fraud allegation reported in county
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...ation-reported-in/BL9kd0OWMUmR6pqdQfQeWg.cspx

Voter-fraud shocker?! On behalf of ... the GOP?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...-on-behalf-of-the-gop-20121001,0,271245.story
 
and the Republicans paid millions to do it:

Republicans fire firm accused of voter registration fraud
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/27/2382464/republicans-fire-firm-accused.html

Commentary: Republicans are playing defense over voter registration fraud
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/02/4301609/commentary-republicans-are-playing.html

Voter registration fraud allegation reported in county
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...ation-reported-in/BL9kd0OWMUmR6pqdQfQeWg.cspx

Voter-fraud shocker?! On behalf of ... the GOP?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...-on-behalf-of-the-gop-20121001,0,271245.story
Yes, there has been voter fraud. In America's (and Minnesota's) case, yes, we were duped:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
:popcorn:

On a serious note; the death of Democracy may potentially herald the death of the nation.
 
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PirateKing

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Aw come on Nikki, I want to read the vitriol. It brightens up my day.
 

Mayhem

Banned
Election Integrity Commission members accuse New Hampshire voters of fraud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...shire-voters-of-fraud/?utm_term=.aeeb747a0a2c
Days before they meet in New Hampshire, members of the White House’s Election Integrity Commission have seized on a report about same-day registration to allege that massive fraud might have swung the state’s 2016 vote. Both voters and election experts say the allegation — accusing thousands of voters of criminal activity simply for living in New Hampshire but holding out-of-state driver’s licenses — are baseless.

The accusation arose Thursday morning, when Shawn Jasper, the speaker of New Hampshire’s Republican-run House of Representatives, released data on same-day registrants that he’d obtained from the secretary of state’s office. In November 2016, 6,540 voters had registered to vote on Election Day. As of Aug. 30, just 1,014 of those voters had obtained a New Hampshire drivers license. A few hundred voters did not obtain state licenses but had registered cars in the state.

That was enough for Jasper to allege thousands of fraudulent votes — and for Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, the vice chairman of the commission, to flatly allege that fraudulent voters might have stolen the state’s four electoral votes and a U.S. Senate seat away from Republicans.


“If 59.2 percent or more of them went for [Democratic Sen. Maggie] Hassan, then the election was stolen through voter fraud,” Kobach wrote in a column for Breitbart. “That’s likely, since the surrounding states are Democrat (sic) strongholds.”

Kobach apparently made no attempt to contact voters who’d cast ballots but held out-of-state IDs. Thursday night, The Washington Post asked voters who’d done so to tell their stories; three did so within 60 minutes — college students, who were living in New Hampshire but did not change their licenses.

Patrick Derenze, 22, said that he voted with a New York ID, and was unaware of any New Hampshire law that required voters to change their licenses after voting.

“I was a student at Saint Anselm College in Manchester until I graduated this past May, and because I spent most of my time in the state I felt it was right I vote there instead of my native state of New York,” Derenze said.


Alexander J. Rounaghi, 19, used his California ID to vote while studying at Dartmouth. “I lived in New Hampshire then, and I’ll live there again when I’m back from summer vacation,” he explained.

Jonah Cohen, 20, was also studying at Dartmouth when he used his New York ID to vote in New Hampshire’s 2016 election. “I’ve since transferred to Columbia, so I won’t be voting in New Hampshire anymore, but I haven’t changed my registration yet,” he explained. “I did not end up getting a N.H. license, but I never needed one to vote.”

It’s possible that thousands of other New Hampshire college students voted the same way; the ability of temporary residents to swing close elections has been controversial in the state for years, as Democrats go through the same biennial battle to drive up turnout on campuses.

“Apparently, Kobach is saying that voting should be limited to people who drive cars,” said David Becker, director of the Center for Election Innovation. “He’s basically saying Bill Gardner, New Hampshire’s secretary of state — his colleague — is incompetent. And he’s doing it without a basis.”


But Kobach was only the most prominent commission member mangling the data. J. Christian Adams, a commission member who has sometimes accused voters of fraud based on badly flawed data, wrote Thursday that the 5,000-plus voters who had voted in 2016 but had not switched their IDs could “no longer be found in New Hampshire.”

That was false: Even the chair of Dartmouth’s College Democrats, Jennifer West, said Thursday that she held an out-of-state ID while studying and organizing voters in New Hampshire.

Nonetheless, Kobach and the commission will arrive in New Hampshire next week — at Patrick Derenze’s old campus, St. Anselm College — to discuss, among other things, “election integrity issues affecting public confidence.”
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Election Integrity Commission members accuse New Hampshire voters of fraud

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...shire-voters-of-fraud/?utm_term=.aeeb747a0a2c

Perhaps different media consumptions from my own differ on this, but I'm...anxious, let's say, that there isn't a lot more coverage of Kris Kobach. The damage this man can do if allowed can hurt our democracy more than anything else out of the Trump administration (save perhaps actual nuclear war).

Also, kudos for thread recycling.
 

Mayhem

Banned
IMO, the more coverage the Kris Kobachs of the world get, the more damage they do.

I think there's more people whinging about voter fraud than actually believe it. But, much like "gays in the military", people are going to have to whine about it, cry about it, scream about it and pound sand about it. After all that, we'll be able to hock it into the spittoon of history. Just like the gays in the military hysteria.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
IMO, the more coverage the Kris Kobachs of the world get, the more damage they do.

I think there's more people whinging about voter fraud than actually believe it. But, much like "gays in the military", people are going to have to whine about it, cry about it, scream about it and pound sand about it. After all that, we'll be able to hock it into the spittoon of history. Just like the gays in the military hysteria.
Are we talking about the same thing? If you're talking about right-wingers shouting about voter fraud, I'm right there with you. But Kobach is in a particular position of power to make those shouts turn into real, dangerous actions - this I feel needs exposure.
 

Mayhem

Banned
But Kobach is in a particular position of power to make those shouts turn into real, dangerous actions - this I feel needs exposure.

We're debating the same side from two different directions. But we're well into the age that once you start the "Koback is Dangerous and Needs to be Stopped" Club, someone else starts the "That's Why We Like Him So Much" Club. And THAT is called "handing him a bullhorn". I'd rather not. JMO
 

bobjustbob

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Convince me that only one side of the aisle is doing this. Present all prosecutions and you will have a wash.
 
so it went from show me evidence this is even happening to show me it's not happening on both sides.

whether it's happening on both sides or favors one side or the other, it shouldn't matter.
 

Mayhem

Banned
No, no. No, no, no, no. We are still glued, screwed and clamped on, show me evidence this is even happening. We never moved an inch away from it. We're not even looking in another direction. That's still where we're at.
 
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