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Trump is coming for your guns

Trump administration to announce final bump stock ban



The Trump administration plans to announce the long-anticipated federal rule officially banning bump stocks in the coming days, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Bump stocks gained national attention last year after a gunman in Las Vegas rigged his weapons with the devices to fire on concertgoers, killing 58 people. President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy, and some lawmakers on Capitol Hill urged him to back a permanent legislative fix.
But opposition from lawmakers and the National Rifle Association ultimately made a regulatory change the only realistic path forward to accomplishing the President's goal.

The devices make it easier to fire rounds from a semi-automatic weapon by harnessing the gun's recoil to "bump" the trigger faster -- an operation that caused officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives during the Obama administration to conclude that it's merely a gun accessory or firearm part, not subject to federal regulation.

At Trump's direction, however, the Justice Department submitted a proposed final rule earlier this year that upended the Obama-era interpretation, and concluded that bump-fire stocks, "slide-fire" devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics all fall within the prohibition on machine guns by allowing a "shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," and therefore, they are illegal under federal law.
Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks, according to a source familiar with the final rule.
"Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns. This final rule sends a clear message: Illegal guns have no place in a law-and-order society, and we will continue to vigorously enforce the law to keep these illegal weapons off the street," a senior Justice Department official told CNN Wednesday.

Republican lawmakers, who are typically opposed to federal agencies writing regulations to accomplish what Congress hasn't directly legislated, had insisted that the Justice Department and ATF write a new regulation. Whereas some Democrats, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, have repeatedly cautioned that such a ban would likely result in lawsuits given ATF's earlier interpretation.
ATF Acting Director Thomas Brandon acknowledged in a Senate hearing this summer that he has been advised that banning bump fire stocks through executive regulation could lead to court challenges that would delay the implementation of a ban.

Trump said last month he told the NRA "bump stocks are gone" but how the group responds to the final rule remains to be seen. A spokesperson for the NRA said in October 2017 that the ATF "should review bump-fire stocks to ensure they comply with federal law," but made clear it opposed the broader gun-control legislation raised by some in Congress.

In June, Slide Fire Solutions, the Texas company that invented the bump-fire stock device and was its lead manufacturer, announced on its website that it would stop taking orders for its products and would shut down its website.
The company, however, directs buyers to RW Arms, an arms dealer also based in Texas, which appears to be selling the remainder of Slide Fire's inventory. RW Arms was advertising for bump fire stocks made by Slide Fire as recently as this week, when they offered a Cyber Monday sale on the product. Slide Fire has not responded to repeated requests for comment about any potential litigation over a federal rule banning bump stocks.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/final-bump-stock-ban/index.html



Trump is coming for your guns. Almost litterally. Much more than Obama never did
bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks

How would Trump had such a legislation enforced ? Well, the article doesn't say but something Trump said earlier, on air, might gave us some hints...

Following that conservative TV hosts were very angry at Trump. Just imagine their reaction if Trump (or someone in his administration) that they won't stop at strong words, that they are gonna take actual actions...


:popcorn:
 
Good luck.
 
He’s not coming for guns, he’s coming for an accessory. He very well may lose in the courts. You can get the same effect from the belt loop on your pants and a bump stock can be made out of wood. Good luck prosecuting all of the people that won’t turn them in or destroy them.
 
He’s not coming for guns, he’s coming for an accessory.
Oh, come on, conservatives have been rolling that "Obama is coming for you guns" BS each time democrats spoke about gun-control, even when baning guns in some place or baning some kinds of guns wasn't even mentioned.
Outlaw armo-piecing bullets ? Obama is coming for your guns
Mandatory background checks for every gun sale ? Obama is coming for your guns
Baning people on the CIA watch-list to buy guns ? Obama is coming for your guns
Baning people diagnosed with mental issues from buying guns ? Obama is coming for your guns
Etc...


The thing is Trump is about to announce a new gun policy that would be more pro gun-control than anything Obama ever tried to pass.

About 6 month ago, Trump was speaking ton some kind of NRA meeting. He then said that the 2nd amendment was "under siege". If it is, the irony is that he's about to activate the battering-ram

I can't wait to see in Congress, to see which republicans is gonna side with the NRA and which will side with Trump. I can't wai to see which democrats is gonna side with Trump, because policies matters more than those who propose them and who's gonna side with the NRA, because Trump = bad
 
Oh, come on, conservatives have been rolling that "Obama is coming for you guns" BS each time democrats spoke about gun-control, even when baning guns in some place or baning some kinds of guns wasn't even mentioned.
Outlaw armo-piecing bullets ? Obama is coming for your guns
Mandatory background checks for every gun sale ? Obama is coming for your guns
Baning people on the CIA watch-list to buy guns ? Obama is coming for your guns
Baning people diagnosed with mental issues from buying guns ? Obama is coming for your guns
Etc...


The thing is Trump is about to announce a new gun policy that would be more pro gun-control than anything Obama ever tried to pass.

About 6 month ago, Trump was speaking ton some kind of NRA meeting. He then said that the 2nd amendment was "under siege". If it is, the irony is that he's about to activate the battering-ram

I can't wait to see in Congress, to see which republicans is gonna side with the NRA and which will side with Trump. I can't wai to see which democrats is gonna side with Trump, because policies matters more than those who propose them and who's gonna side with the NRA, because Trump = bad
Weak. Trump is a strong proponent of 2nd amendment rights, Obama was not. That is why any move by the Obama administration was looked upon as gun grabbing.

Trump is seeking to ban an accessory. Not guns. Bump stocks are an accessory that allows people to showboat on the gun range and overheat their barrels.

As I said, the ban will be challenged in the courts.
 
Are you telling me that "a strong proponent of 2nd amendment rights" is about to announce a gun-control policy tougher than what what Obama, who was, according ot conservatives, an enemy of the 2nd amendment, ever proposed ?

Off course it's gonna be challenged in court. We know liberal judge will rpobably side with Trum pon that. But how conservtives judge will rule is still unknown. Particulary Trump appointed judges. Is this gonna go all the way to SCOTUS ? Then, hos SCOTUS will rule on this ? How will Kavanaugh, who we knowwas appointed by Trump to do his biddings, will rule on this ?
But even before that, how will congress react. The most likely is that liberals will back Trump on this, it would be clever from them, prove that they aren't hellbent against him, that they can go bi-partisan when Trump's policies matches theirs. More interesting is what wil happen among Republicans. 'cause they will be caught between the hammer and the anvil, they will have to pick one among the two things conservatives love the most : Trump and guns.
 
Are you telling me that "a strong proponent of 2nd amendment rights" is about to announce a gun-control policy tougher than what what Obama, who was, according ot conservatives, an enemy of the 2nd amendment, ever proposed ?

Off course it's gonna be challenged in court. We know liberal judge will rpobably side with Trum pon that. But how conservtives judge will rule is still unknown. Particulary Trump appointed judges. Is this gonna go all the way to SCOTUS ? Then, hos SCOTUS will rule on this ? How will Kavanaugh, who we knowwas appointed by Trump to do his biddings, will rule on this ?
But even before that, how will congress react. The most likely is that liberals will back Trump on this, it would be clever from them, prove that they aren't hellbent against him, that they can go bi-partisan when Trump's policies matches theirs. More interesting is what wil happen among Republicans. 'cause they will be caught between the hammer and the anvil, they will have to pick one among the two things conservatives love the most : Trump and guns.

Obama didn’t have anything to do with the decision. Slide Fire Solutions, a company that manufactured the devices decided to get an evaluation of the bump stocks before they went into full scale production because they didn’t want to tool a manufacturing facility, hire people and then get shut down.

In 2010 during Obama’s Presidency, the BATF concluded that they were not an accessory that qualified as a fully automatic device. They also realized just as will be the case now, a ban will open them up for litigation.

I disagree with Trump on this, prior to the Las Vegas massacre, I am not even certain that a bump stock enabled rifle had ever been used in one of these attacks. But I understand why he is driven to push for the ban politically. I have fired an AR-15 with a slide fire device it is a lot of fun. But the whole premise of your thread is bullshit. Trump is not coming for our guns and even those of us that disagree with this decision know this and you are pissing up a rope to try and claim otherwise.
 
Another thing to keep in mind, this will be a federal regulation and not legislation. Regulations are much easier to challenge in court and more difficult to enforce.
 

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Trump: "Take The Firearms First" "I Like Taking The Guns Early"

Holy Guacamole. Keep your eyes on Senator Cornyn for the rest of the video after Trump says, "take the firearms first", Big Bad John, just another something else to have to overlook about Twump.
 
Trump: "Take The Firearms First" "I Like Taking The Guns Early"

Holy Guacamole. Keep your eyes on Senator Cornyn for the rest of the video after Trump says, "take the firearms first", Big Bad John, just another something else to have to overlook about Twump.

Trump was referring to people that had been diagnosed with mental illness.
In that respect, I can see why you take issue with it.
 
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