Time Travel... is it possible? This man thinks so.
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Not necessarily. If past events have happened then your actions in the past have also already happened. So you couldn't go back in time & kill your mother before you were born because history, & the mere fact of your existence, proves that you weren't successful. Events would transpire that would prevent you from doing it.
So any time traveller going into the past would have no free will as even though, for them, any actions they did would be for the first time, from a historical point of view these actions have already taken place.
As for god? To tie that to this topic I suggest reading Michael Moorcock's story Behold The Man.
ChefChiTown
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If you think about that, it's really contradictory. Some say that time exists, but some of those same people say that before time began, time didn't exist; that there was nothing. But, if time existed, then the period BEFORE time began would still be time...would it not?
Travelling in time is possible. We are travelling in time now, to the future. Our velocity in time is 1 second per second to future. If you can go like 100 years per second (either to past or future), this is the time travel that scientists try to arrange. Michio Kaku says it can be proven.
However, time travel's results would be so dramatical.
If you change a tiny thing in past, you affect your existence too. Everything is lined up, if one thing is changed, rest of it changes.
If you travel to future and see yourselves, you see your "future-past"s result. Then you come to present to change it, that "future-past" can never be happened.
Time travel is an exciting topic but the results are too hard to handle.
Enjoy the present! We are writing the History of Future.
However, time travel's results would be so dramatical.
If you change a tiny thing in past, you affect your existence too. Everything is lined up, if one thing is changed, rest of it changes.
If you travel to future and see yourselves, you see your "future-past"s result. Then you come to present to change it, that "future-past" can never be happened.
Time travel is an exciting topic but the results are too hard to handle.
Enjoy the present! We are writing the History of Future.
That's the real head scratcher. Can something exist before time? If not does time have no beginning? Existence may have a start in terms of the first atom etc but did time exist before that?
But if time went on forever, does that mean that time never ends?
Or is time all happening at once past, present, future? Therefore there is no beginning or end. Just the beginning & end of our movement through time as human beings.
Wainkerr99
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One would not necessarily being traveling through time, so much as traveling in time. Same difference I guess, except that if time is continous, then one simply moves from one point to another.
To travel one would not need to concern oneself with the concept of time so much as to move to a certain point. Fine line I know but this is difficult stuff to wrap one's head around.
Like Janeway said in "Star Trek Voyager:" "Yes yes I know the past is the future the future is the past.......it gives me a headache."
If one connects with another over a fibre optic cable, then one connects with a certain "time", in the same way. One connection to another that exists in an electromagnetic field or whatever kind of field it would be.
It is possible Hitler may be watching Krupp make his war machines even now according to the theory of a continuous flow.
So, one establishes a point of destination and a point of origin at the same time. One then moves through it. The equipment might not exist to return one to now - good point by the way - but maybe one has a special wristwatch, (just kidding), or something which activates the spiral or loop or whatever to return one.
Just have to hope you don't get caught in a loop.
To travel one would not need to concern oneself with the concept of time so much as to move to a certain point. Fine line I know but this is difficult stuff to wrap one's head around.
Like Janeway said in "Star Trek Voyager:" "Yes yes I know the past is the future the future is the past.......it gives me a headache."
If one connects with another over a fibre optic cable, then one connects with a certain "time", in the same way. One connection to another that exists in an electromagnetic field or whatever kind of field it would be.
It is possible Hitler may be watching Krupp make his war machines even now according to the theory of a continuous flow.
So, one establishes a point of destination and a point of origin at the same time. One then moves through it. The equipment might not exist to return one to now - good point by the way - but maybe one has a special wristwatch, (just kidding), or something which activates the spiral or loop or whatever to return one.
Just have to hope you don't get caught in a loop.
But would they tell us?
Maybe that's what UFOs are & little green men? Evolved humans from the far future turning up to say "hullo great, great, great, great, great (x999) granddad"
:dunno:
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without getting into it, let me just say that within the known physical laws of the universe, most scientists believe that what we call time-travel is theoretically possible.
Even Steven Hawking believes in it and Einsteins theories very much confirm it. Just because of these philosophical dilemmas that we think of, Hawking thinks that there is an unknown universal law that prevents time travel, because it is too crazy for him to think about. So once again, they all agree that it is possible, they just differ on how and why and what would happen.
Ok I'll go into it a little bit... Humans perceive the universe in a very limited way, obviously, we are not omnipresent. we don't know everything, so what we define as reality, is not really reality, it's just a picture of it at best. All that is to say that our understanding of time and space as it relates to us means very little.
We have observational models (theories of hypothetical possibilities based on known data) of particles that disapear at one coordinate and then randomly pop out again somewhere else. So it has been thought that all events are simultaneous, they just aren't always observed. the difference in the observations is the appearance of different time periods, but there is no time, or there is only all time. All things are always time traveling, they just appear to us to only travel in one way and at a constant rate.
Even Steven Hawking believes in it and Einsteins theories very much confirm it. Just because of these philosophical dilemmas that we think of, Hawking thinks that there is an unknown universal law that prevents time travel, because it is too crazy for him to think about. So once again, they all agree that it is possible, they just differ on how and why and what would happen.
Ok I'll go into it a little bit... Humans perceive the universe in a very limited way, obviously, we are not omnipresent. we don't know everything, so what we define as reality, is not really reality, it's just a picture of it at best. All that is to say that our understanding of time and space as it relates to us means very little.
We have observational models (theories of hypothetical possibilities based on known data) of particles that disapear at one coordinate and then randomly pop out again somewhere else. So it has been thought that all events are simultaneous, they just aren't always observed. the difference in the observations is the appearance of different time periods, but there is no time, or there is only all time. All things are always time traveling, they just appear to us to only travel in one way and at a constant rate.
if i could go back in time i would go way back to 2006
no he doesn't. in Brief History of Time, he cites the example of killing your mother before you were born as an example of why it would be impossible.
Legzman
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Agreed. While I don't think its possible to go forward or backward in time, it "may" be possible to go sideways. Like parallel dimensions or some such shit, weird I know, but that I can see happening.
But if scientists ever figure out a way to time travel...nothing good will come of it!
A baby girl is mysteriously dropped off at an orphanage in Cleveland in 1945. "Jane" grows up lonely and dejected, not knowing who her parents are, until one day in 1963 she is strangely attracted to a drifter. She falls in love with him. But just when things are finally looking up for Jane, a series of disasters strike. First, she becomes pregnant by the drifter, who then disappears. Second, during the complicated delivery, doctors find that Jane has both sets of sex organs, and to save her life, they are forced to surgically convert "her" to a "him." Finally, a mysterious stranger kidnaps her baby from the delivery room.
Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant.
The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.
The question is: Who is Jane's mother, father, grandfather, grand mother, son, daughter, granddaughter, and grandson?
Reeling from these disasters, rejected by society, scorned by fate, "he" becomes a drunkard and drifter. Not only has Jane lost her parents and her lover, but he has lost his only child as well. Years later, in 1970, he stumbles into a lonely bar, called Pop's Place, and spills out his pathetic story to an elderly bartender. The sympathetic bartender offers the drifter the chance to avenge the stranger who left her pregnant and abandoned, on the condition that he join the "time travelers corps." Both of them enter a time machine, and the bartender drops off the drifter in 1963. The drifter is strangely attracted to a young orphan woman, who subsequently becomes pregnant.
The bartender then goes forward 9 months, kidnaps the baby girl from the hospital, and drops off the baby in an orphanage back in 1945. Then the bartender drops off the thoroughly confused drifter in 1985, to enlist in the time travelers corps. The drifter eventually gets his life together, becomes a respected and elderly member of the time travelers corps, and then disguises himself as a bartender and has his most difficult mission: a date with destiny, meeting a certain drifter at Pop's Place in 1970.
The question is: Who is Jane's mother, father, grandfather, grand mother, son, daughter, granddaughter, and grandson?
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