We have a joke in California, at least amongst my friends and I, that the state should simply post signage telling everyone what IS allowed. We would, as a state, save a great deal of money. And there would be far fewer signs!
This anti-smoking bullshit is getting out of hand. Big time!
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We have a joke in California, at least amongst my friends and I, that the state should simply post signage telling everyone what IS allowed. We would, as a state, save a great deal of money. And there would be far fewer signs!
Well then let's check their diet, the amount of time they spend keeping fit, their family medical history, the amount of alcohol consumption etc before we employ them?!?
Knowingly, willfully and intentionally do not apply to those things. That is why I used those adjectives.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I live here in Cleveland, where the Cleveland Clinic is based. The reality behind the situation with them not hiring smokers is very simple...
They are one of the premiere medical centers in the entire world. People from all over the world (kings, queens, princes, royalty, celebrities, politicians, etc) pay big time money to have the Cleveland Clinic take care of their medical needs. They are growing at an exponential rate and will eventually take over the majority of downtown Cleveland. As it is, the Cleveland Clinic is so large and so powerful that it could literally be considered it's own city. Before too much longer, they will own and operate pretty much every health-related operation in the entire state of Ohio. With that being said...
They don't want their employees to smoke because it's a great PR move. It might seem like this is bad press for them, but it's actually GREAT. Their job is to provide people with exceptional medical care and exceptional medical and health-related advice. Why would someone who is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars want to take advice on health from someone who smoked? Why would someone who is suffering through lung cancer want to get lectured on their health by someone who smoked? They wouldn't. Why? Because, it's extremely hypocritical for doctors to hand out advice that they aren't willing to follow themselves.
Would you take John Goodman seriously if he told you that you needed to lose weight or listen to Chris Brown tell you how to treat women with respect? No, absolutely not. Just like you wouldn't listen to someone smoking a cigarette tell you that you should stop smoking.
And yes, there are other hypocritical things that doctors do as well (drinking, drugs, unhealthy eating, etc), but the Cleveland Clinic, and the other health systems that are adopting the no smoking policy, are just taking the first step by not hiring smokers.
And, whoever it was that mentioned insurance costs was right. The hospital's insurance payments will lower if they employ non-smokers because it makes for a more sanitary environment which positively effects the health of the patients, therefore, lowering the risk of the insurance companies having to pay out more money than they really want to.
They are one of the premiere medical centers in the entire world. People from all over the world (kings, queens, princes, royalty, celebrities, politicians, etc) pay big time money to have the Cleveland Clinic take care of their medical needs. They are growing at an exponential rate and will eventually take over the majority of downtown Cleveland. As it is, the Cleveland Clinic is so large and so powerful that it could literally be considered it's own city. Before too much longer, they will own and operate pretty much every health-related operation in the entire state of Ohio. With that being said...
They don't want their employees to smoke because it's a great PR move. It might seem like this is bad press for them, but it's actually GREAT. Their job is to provide people with exceptional medical care and exceptional medical and health-related advice. Why would someone who is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars want to take advice on health from someone who smoked? Why would someone who is suffering through lung cancer want to get lectured on their health by someone who smoked? They wouldn't. Why? Because, it's extremely hypocritical for doctors to hand out advice that they aren't willing to follow themselves.
Would you take John Goodman seriously if he told you that you needed to lose weight or listen to Chris Brown tell you how to treat women with respect? No, absolutely not. Just like you wouldn't listen to someone smoking a cigarette tell you that you should stop smoking.
And yes, there are other hypocritical things that doctors do as well (drinking, drugs, unhealthy eating, etc), but the Cleveland Clinic, and the other health systems that are adopting the no smoking policy, are just taking the first step by not hiring smokers.
And, whoever it was that mentioned insurance costs was right. The hospital's insurance payments will lower if they employ non-smokers because it makes for a more sanitary environment which positively effects the health of the patients, therefore, lowering the risk of the insurance companies having to pay out more money than they really want to.
Don't apply to drinking alcohol?
Don't apply to eating loads of fried food, cakes etc?
Don't apply to keeping fit?
Don't be ridiculous!
Well then let's check their diet, the amount of time they spend keeping fit, their family medical history, the amount of alcohol consumption etc before we employ them?!?
I have to respectfully disagree. "Knowingly," "willfully" and "intentionally" do ideed apply to all of those things, save family medical history...
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Ideally, we just move the smokers and other miscreants and undesirables onto their own island where they can be segregated from the rest of us. Is Madagascar available?
No, sorry, Madagascar is mine. Me and the penguins.
Hitler would be proud.
Excuse me, but I want to poison my body, blacken my lungs, stink up every room that I am in and spew it back out to be inhaled by everyone else around me and when I get lung cancer take up the time and resources of doctors that can be helping people that didn't choose to put themselves there... and I'm going to be totally offended that someone would have the audacity to tell me not to.
Can't we just expedite the process and take these smoker assholes out and shoot them?
Can't we just expedite the process and take these smoker assholes out and shoot them?
habo9
Banned
Why dont we just line up fat people as well there a bigger drain on resources than smokers
It's retarded, yes, but Fascism is a little much.
yeah, but we can pack more of the smokers into the truck than the fat fucks. In fact, because smoking is good for weight loss let's give the cigarettes from the dead smoker's to the fat fucks, and then we'll just pick them up for the next go around?
Elwood70
Torn & Frayed.
You do know who pays for those commercials,right?
Tobacco companies,as part of a settlement with the U.S. Government.
Imposing restrictions on liberty or persecuting a target group of people is not what fascism is. That is a specific type of government function and while that may be a thing that occurs under fascist rule, it's not the defining criteria. It's more like totalitarianism.
habo9
Banned
Fat fucks arent getting my cigs as well, Im sick of going to Burger King and all the fuckers have took all the mayo and sauce , and I sick of walking through town and trying to get by them , its like they have a gravitational pull of there own , its even worse when theres a line of them waddling down the road , plus they get all the best seats on transport because they cant get though the walkway leaving old people and people with kids standing , plus they smell usually and how come everytime you see a fat chick she has leggings or something on
A fat tax is the way foward , for every pound they are over weight , there food should get taxed appropiatly
Which is obviously better and more forgivable than fascism...
Fine, lets shoot people who drink alcohol, oh & those involved in dangerous sports! They both willfully engage in activities that "take up the time and resources of doctors that can be helping people that didn't choose to put themselves there".
The medical profession should NOT make moral judgements about its patients!
You think so? seems a little bit extreme to me.
Why not? They are a business not a charity. You need a service that they provide and you cannot provide yourself. That means they get to dictate the conditions in which they offer it to you. You don't like it, cure your own cancer! That's capitalism. Isn't it better than fascism?
habo9
Banned
Not over here we're not we get taxed to the hilt , so Im gonny get my moneys worth and Ive never been in hospital for anything apart from a couple of broken fingers
