The why can't aetheist do what the fuck they like thread

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The thread linked below's newspaper articles about England, got me to think on some shee-it!
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=396889

If allowances can be made on religious grounds regarding what constitutes breaking the law, does the same not have to apply to people that hold no faith at all?

If an aetheist, that holds no belief, has to conform to laws that were founded on a religious basis. Do these laws not completely undermine an aetheists choice not to believe?

On that basis, should an aetheist be exempt from any law that derives from religion?

 

[DJCowboy]

Even if religion isn't true or real, the base laws such as "Thou shalt not kill", etc. are still a good idea and I would recommend people follow it

 

[DOA82]

What laws other than the ten commandments are you thinking of?

 

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Even if religion isn't true or real, the base laws such as "Thou shalt not kill", etc. are still a good idea and I would recommend people follow it

they may be a good Idea, but would an aetheists choice not to believe in anything not be compromised by adhering to "Thou shalt not kill"?

 

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What laws other than the ten commandments are you thinking of?

don't know, speed limits?

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

On that basis, should an aetheist be exempt from any law that derives from religion?

When the tenets of society allow it. Laws against things like stealing, murder and even adultery may be said to be divinely inspired, but they were initially natural laws that promoted the healthy survival of humanity.

 

[BlueBalls]

If an aetheist, that holds no belief, has to conform to laws that were founded on a religious basis.

Are there any laws that were founded on a religious basis?

Of course there may be laws that somewhat mimic laws put forth in religious text. But the process of law and lawmaking has been a strictly secular practice for a while now.

 

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When the tenets of society allow it. Laws against things like stealing, murder and even adultery may be said to be divinely inspired, but they were initially natural laws that promoted the healthy survival of humanity.

how did everyone find out about them?

 

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Are there any laws that were founded on a religious basis?

Of course there may be laws that somewhat mimic laws put forth in religious text. But the process of law and lawmaking has been a strictly secular practice for a while now.

"Thou shalt not kill" - isn't that in the ten commandments somewhere?

 

[Baill Inneraora]

"Thou shalt not kill" - isn't that in the ten commandments somewhere?

Just because its religious, doesn't make it wrong.

Many of the Ten commandments were created to be good for society. That's why many were kept in current laws.

 

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Just because its religious, doesn't make it wrong.

Many of the Ten commandments were created to be good for society. That's why many were kept in current laws.

I'm not saying it's not wrong, but as it is religious, should an aetheist have to conform to it?

 

[STDiva]

I'm not saying it's not wrong, but as it is religious, should an aetheist have to conform to it?

Yes. Its not like they're being forced to read a bible or pray.

 

[Hot Mega]

I'll bet they can go to hell if they want to.:o

 

[BlueBalls]

I'm not saying it's not wrong, but as it is religious, should an aetheist have to conform to it?

Do you really think the human race would've survived up to the point in which "God" supposedly prophecised to Noah that killing was wrong without some sort of inherent knowledge that murder in most instances wasn't the correct thing to do? I highly doubt it.

So no, if it just happens to be in a holy book doesn't mean it's fundamentally a religious concept.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

how did everyone find out about them?

Common sense, time and development. You fuck my wife, kidnap my child or steal my property, I kill you. If I kill you, your family kills me. Then there's war.

Laws evolved from observations in society. They ensure order. The laws of kings predate the laws of Noah.

 

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Yes. Its not like they're being forced to read a bible or pray.

but the law's context is religious, a person who is not religious through their own choice, should surely not have to adhere to the belief of a religion that they do not believe even exists?

I'll bet they can go to hell if they want to.:o

they even might get there quicker!

 

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Do you really think the human race would've survived up to the point in which "God" supposedly prophecised to Noah that killing was wrong without some sort of inherent knowledge that murder in most instances wasn't the correct thing to do? I highly doubt it.

So no, if it just happens to be in a holy book doesn't mean it's fundamentally a religious concept.

why would god have interveened if he didn't need to, if everyone knew what was right and what was wrong, what did god get all involved for?

 

[BlueBalls]

why would god have interveened if he didn't need to, if everyone knew what was right and what was wrong, what did god get all involved for?

I don't believe this happened, but some do. So there you go.

Social evolution.

 

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Common sense, time and development. You fuck my wife, kidnap my child or steal my property, I kill you. If I kill you, your family kills me. Then there's war.

Laws evolved from observations in society. They ensure order. The laws of kings predate the laws of Noah.

what's laws of kings? and wouldn't some punishments have inevitably involved killing? for example, aboriginies in Australia have a rule that a certain animal has to be prepared to eat in a certain way to show respect, (I can't remember which one) If the person preparing the animal to be eaten does not do it properly, then he should be punished and therefore killed. all the ancient cultures that are just about surviving in our world, for example Papua New Guinea: the were eating each other less than 90 years ago.

 

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I don't believe this happened, but some do. So there you go.

Social evolution.

where do you get your morality or ethics from then?