The Gun Control debate thread

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

But at least modern medical science has given us joint replacements, and organ transplants. So much like the old classics, we can be restored.

It helps but is not a cure all. Ask me how I know?

 

[gmase]

It helps but is not a cure all. Ask me how I know?

You listened to a podcast?! 😉

 

[Mr. Daystar]

It helps but is not a cure all. Ask me how I know?

I know how you know. I believe we discussed it once. But let's face it, sometimes a little help is all you need to keep you out of the scrape heap.

 

[tvstrip]

 

[tvstrip]

I know this is from the summer, but it's stuff like this which defeats the notion that you need a "good guy carrying a gun".

Off-duty guard charged with killing Seattle-area teen after mistaking toy for gun, authorities say
https://apnews.com/article/toy-gun-teen-killed-guard-charged-bbe66178f764d1b944fb40b3ff4a3452

Myers then pushed one of the boys onto the sidewalk and straddled him, according to the probable cause document filed by Renton police. Myers continued to point his firearm at Rohani as he held his hands out in front of him, showing Myers that they were empty, police said. Rohani started to back away and Myers opened fire, hitting the teen once in the right side and six times in the back.
Video shows Rohani clutching his abdomen as he falls to the ground, calling out for his mother. The other teen ran for cover and called 911.

“The defendant failed to take the obvious step of securing the toy gun, rather than assaulting the teen who had carried it

“Only a high bail, electronic home detention, and surrender of all firearms will protect the community from an untrained civilian who believes he has a duty to shoot people who have not hurt anyone,”
“In this case the defendant attacked three teenagers who had not committed any crime and at every stage of the interaction chose to escalate with more and more violence, until it culminated in the defendant taking the life of” Rohani"

The teens here did not do anything wrong, and there are plenty of witnesses and video evidence.

The guy has a history of this too:

Myers had tried to intervene in what he thought was a crime in March 2022, police said. He called 911 and told police that he saw a person on a bicycle pointing a gun at people, police said. He followed the person to a store until police arrived. Officers determined the person did not have a gun and posed no threat, police said

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

I sure like guns. I like guns a whole lotta-lotta. I think I screwed up though. I thought it might be a good idea for my next door neighbor to buy a gun to defend his family. I escorted him to the gun stores in Burbank and he bought a gun. Two weeks later he called me wanting another gun so we went to Burbank again. Instead of protecting his family I can hear him yelling at them more also having lust in his eyes when he tells me about his "beautiful, beautiful Ten Millimeter." If he pops a guy I hope it's only a hobo who has lost contact with the civilized world. I learned some people have no business owning firearms but they also say you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

If your neighbor pops off a 10mm, you better hope it's pointing in the other direction, because a hand cannon like that will go through a couple three walls before it stops. Unless you live in a brick house. That caliber is really close to .41 magnum performance.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

If your neighbor pops off a 10mm, you better hope it's pointing in the other direction, because a hand cannon like that will go through a couple three walls before it stops. Unless you live in a brick house. That caliber is really close to .41 magnum performance.

I asked him to approach all intruders from the west and fire toward the east. I told him it's better to use the 9 than the 10 but his Persian romanticism fell in love with the 10 because it was so beautiful, beautiful. It's a fucking Glock and looks like a toy. I should know 'cuz I got 3 of them. At least if he overpenetrates with the 10 he will only bag the Air B 'n' B people on the other side of him that nobody gives a sit about. I may have to moderate or diffuse yet another skirmish on my block. Did I mention I am a star on Citizen App being featured twice last month?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I asked him to approach all intruders from the west and fire toward the east. I told him it's better to use the 9 than the 10 but his Persian romanticism fell in love with the 10 because it was so beautiful, beautiful. It's a fucking Glock and looks like a toy. I should know 'cuz I got 3 of them. At least if he overpenetrates with the 10 he will only bag the Air B 'n' B people on the other side of him that nobody gives a sit about. I may have to moderate or diffuse yet another skirmish on my block. Did I mention I am a star on Citizen App being featured twice last month?

No, you didn't mention you were a star on citizen, but that's because you've been a star on freeones for years. I don't know, 10mm is a lot of pressure for a polymer handgun, If your into the 1911 format, Magnum Research makes a nice entry level 1911 for around $1100 bucks. You'll need to change the sites, but that's a quick, inexpensive swap.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

No, you didn't mention you were a star on citizen, but that's because you've been a star on freeones for years. I don't know, 10mm is a lot of pressure for a polymer handgun, If your into the 1911 format, Magnum Research makes a nice entry level 1911 for around $1100 bucks. You'll need to change the sites, but that's a quick, inexpensive swap.

I tried telling him about the FBI testing the 10mm but he likes what he likes. Since he's Persian he put $2700 worth of aftermarket crap on a $600 gun. He's such a nice guy but will not listen. Also tried to mention the most important part is getting the drop on the guy putting him in the right position. I bought a Sig P220 .45ACP for about $1000 that is perfect right out of the box.

 

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78-year-old man shoots, kills 16-year-old who tried jacking his pickup truck in Argentina
https://usacrime.com/78-year-old-ma...-tried-jacking-his-pickup-truck-in-argentina/
https://www.clarin.com/policiales/m...s-intento-robarle-camioneta_0_LSwvuglLtF.html

Videos show the moment a 78-year-old man shot and killed a 16-year-old boy who tried jacking his pickup truck in Argentina.

There is something satisfying about this. Video has it all, including the double tap.

The non-English page has an additional video angle, showing the accomplices just driving off and literally leaving their guy for dead.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

78-year-old man shoots, kills 16-year-old who tried jacking his pickup truck in Argentina
https://usacrime.com/78-year-old-ma...-tried-jacking-his-pickup-truck-in-argentina/
https://www.clarin.com/policiales/m...s-intento-robarle-camioneta_0_LSwvuglLtF.html

There is something satisfying about this. Video has it all, including the double tap.

The non-English page has an additional video angle, showing the accomplices just driving off and literally leaving their guy for dead.

I found that to be a very enjoyable video.

 

[tvstrip]

I found that to be a very enjoyable video.

I thought you would

It's all good, except I'm a little concerned that it was a foreigner with the gun. Like, did he just bring it with him on vacation? Can anyone bring their firearm with them into Argentina?
I'd also like to know more about the guy. Given his age and nationality - are we talking ex-military? Or even mafioso?

 

[tvstrip]

2 men shot dead in eastern Ontario home invasion, residents uninjured
https://globalnews.ca/news/11001290/home-invasion-eastern-ontario/

The Ontario Provincial Police say a home invasion incident in a township in eastern Ontario has left two men dead, and the residents were not injured.

Just from today. Looks like Canada might be moving towards the "stand your ground" approach.
Still, the home invaders were shot inside the home and the homeowners were still arrested. No charges were laid, probably because there isn't a jury out there who would convict them.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

2 men shot dead in eastern Ontario home invasion, residents uninjured
https://globalnews.ca/news/11001290/home-invasion-eastern-ontario/


Just from today. Looks like Canada might be moving towards the "stand your ground" approach.
Still, the home invaders where shot inside the home and the homeowners were still arrested. No charges were laid, probably because there isn't a jury out there who would convict them.

As far as the first story, I got the impression that he was an Italian man LIVING in Argentina. I have no idea what the gun laws are in that country, but I doubt most countries will let you just bring a firearm with you for defense. Now if you're hunting, and bringing the appropriate rifle/shotgun with you, there are ways to accomplish that. Many people bring rifles into Canada for moose or bear hunting, but you would be deep in the shit if you tried getting a handgun in the country. I know CCW permit holders in the US are sometimes given reciprocity with other states, so you can legally carry between them. so I have taken a firearm with me out of my state. When I was about to hit the NY line, I pulled over, put it in my trunk, and took it back out, just after I crossed out of NY. It was the one state that I couldn't carry in.

As far as the second story, all I can say is NO MAN should have to retreat in his own home, no man should feel unsafe in his own home, and no man should be expected to rely on anybody but himself to insure his safety. I feel that should extend to his personage outside of the home. I also feel penalties for a lot of the crimes we're seeing out there should come with far heavier punishment. Gun control will not stop crime, but incarceration, and even death under obvious circumstances will eventually start to reduce it. Violent crimes with a gun need to have a mandatory MINIMUM 15 year prison term, BEFORE parole can be considered, and plea bargaining needs to stop in most, if not all cases, especially were repeat offenders are concerned.

 

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As far as the first story, I got the impression that he was an Italian man LIVING in Argentina.

So what do you think his background is? He was waaaaaay to cool for that to have been his first time. He just popped them literally as they were coming of the car, and he didn't hesitate for the coup de grace. I'm assuming you don't just keep a locked and loaded gun beside you while driving, so he also was in firing position within a seconds. I'm pretty sure the average person wouldn't be as smooth as this guy.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

So what do you think his background is? He was waaaaaay to cool for that to have been his first time. He just popped them literally as they were coming of the car, and he didn't hesitate for the coup de grace. I'm assuming you don't just keep a locked and loaded gun beside you while driving, so he also was in firing position within a seconds. I'm pretty sure the average person wouldn't be as smooth as this guy.

You ALWAYS keep your gun loaded and ready, and right next to you, or on your person. ALWAYS. Anyone can do that, with practice. That's the key to proficiency and safety. Always be ready, always know what's surrounding you. Situational awareness is paramount.

 

[gmase]

Or you just live free without a loaded gun ... or any gun.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Or you just live free without a loaded gun ... or any gun.

You're more than welcome to live free without a gun. The Constitution gives you BOTH the right to bear arms, or not to own a gun. Either way is fine with me, but of course I'm not the one you need to worry about.