The Death Care Bill
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It's going to be debated on the Senate floor. I have already written a letter to my HR rep Mike Doyle and Both my Senator's. Although only Spector is up for re-election, though he is not going to get it. It's out of our hands now. I just feel that Reps and Senators are going to pay for it at the polls in 2010, no matter what party they are in. I feel if your an incumbant in the 2010 election your going to lose and lose big.
All we can do is just hold on at this point and watch American turn into the next European country. It's a sad day for America, the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution.
I am willing to bet that our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves over what America and our government has become. It's only taken a little over 200 years to destroy this Republic.
All we can do is just hold on at this point and watch American turn into the next European country. It's a sad day for America, the Declaration of Independance and the Constitution.
I am willing to bet that our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves over what America and our government has become. It's only taken a little over 200 years to destroy this Republic.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Obama's death care bill for the elderly, unwanted, "uselesss", population reduction and control of the remaining cattle.
We have to keep humanity at a manageable level. Go read the Georgia Guide Stones.
We have to keep humanity at a manageable level. Go read the Georgia Guide Stones.
Death Care???
That sounds like a marketing term for a funeral home. It doesn't sound scary, it just sounds stupid.
Try again.
That sounds like a marketing term for a funeral home. It doesn't sound scary, it just sounds stupid.
Try again.
Anybody watch sixty minutes last night? See the segment about health care costs and dying? See that bloke talking about the amount of money the US spends on citizens during the last months of life (I think it was $10,000 a day to keep someone in an ICU - don't quote me I was getting ***** after the Oakland/Bengals debacle.)
Years ago I read a PJ O'Rourke book - it might have been "Parliament of Whores" and he had the phrase, "God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat." (I see now that it is - google that phrase and you can get a link to the preface of the book which has that title.) What happened to that? Republicans are now under the impression that any and all medical tests should be given to 87 year old cancer patients with a heart condition. A Santa Claus with the gift of eternal life. This contrasts sharply with all that the medical experts and fiscal controllers said last night.
The US has to come to terms with death. Simply put, one bean counter said if that "European style" limits were not imposed then current practices would bankrupt the government. Every year that the US failed to pass the necesary legislation would give the Europeans an economic edge. I thought this stuff was bread and butter to conservatieves - cut spending to realistic levels as a greater percentage of the population ages, instead we are a having an hysterical scream about death panels. Where are the conservatives on this?
Years ago I read a PJ O'Rourke book - it might have been "Parliament of Whores" and he had the phrase, "God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat." (I see now that it is - google that phrase and you can get a link to the preface of the book which has that title.) What happened to that? Republicans are now under the impression that any and all medical tests should be given to 87 year old cancer patients with a heart condition. A Santa Claus with the gift of eternal life. This contrasts sharply with all that the medical experts and fiscal controllers said last night.
The US has to come to terms with death. Simply put, one bean counter said if that "European style" limits were not imposed then current practices would bankrupt the government. Every year that the US failed to pass the necesary legislation would give the Europeans an economic edge. I thought this stuff was bread and butter to conservatieves - cut spending to realistic levels as a greater percentage of the population ages, instead we are a having an hysterical scream about death panels. Where are the conservatives on this?
it's funny how NeoCons only care about fiscal conservatism when it is applied to U.S. taxpayers but not when it comes to the Military Industrial Complex which is a big welfare program on steroids that is an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money
I honestly don't care about neocon this or that or having a debate about the run up to the wars on this thread, but I think we can all agree that as the boomers start to need more and more health care of the more and more expensive type there needs to be serious debate about how much medicare can spend per person. Let us call it rationing. This is not a bottomless well. Hard choices will have to be made. Is it worth spending a million dollars on an 87 year old to keep them alive but *********** for six months? In my opinion, no. Every day the US refuses to engage the debate it pushes them further behind the nations that have accepted that, as glorious as modern medical science is, none of us will live forever.
^ in order to understand where this country is in today, the past has to be discussed or else everything is going to simply be blamed on Liberals, Gays, Atheists, Commies, Pagans, etc.
all i can say is health care is something that hasn't done any good sense the 70's..Medicaid is at its worst ever,health insures don't care past there wallets an doctor will laugh among themselves at a person dieing of some curable disease to get the highest pay off,then tell you that there's nothing they can do..health care has gone to **** an nobody cares to change it(except for the worse..everything is about up class crap an ppl that have money get the good dope prescriptions while ppl that need them get the shaft..or worse..ppl have stopped caring an have gone an "mentally" said money is more important than life...can't wait for it all to end....where's the meter or comet at?.....the **** needs to stop!!
I've been around the block with regards to various political scenarios. With the obvious exceptions of Friday on my mind, Hot Mega etc I have a grasp on the whys and wherefores. This is one issue that is in the pipeline, the population is aging, costs are rising, rivals have in the main bitten the bullet on this. You are wasting your time by hoping or expecting a political party of any stripe accept it's prior failings. That is not how they work. The way forward is to frame the debate in terms of future advantage . Hence the God is a republican bit. If God (or god as I like to call him) is republican then he certainly wants you dead, he hasn't made any immortal creatues yet - even Noah fell off the perch eventually. What I'm pinning for is a republican to embrace core conservative values and tell the electorate that there is nothing more patriotic than dying when your time has come and not six months after that date at $10,000 a day.
Before "fixing" the health insurance mess, they should first try and fix Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and welfare, how are those programs going? Oh, right, all getting broke without ******* us to give more of our hard earned money. Now this.
Okay, all you liberals that think that this is all "free health care for everyone", WHEN (not if, but a certainty that will happen) we start seeing rationing, less access and more waiting lists for surgeries, less doctors, when people start being denied treatment for illnesses that can be treated and given euthanasia instead even if they're still young and productive, will you finally accept that you guys were wrong about this whole damn thing? Yeah, not holding my breath for that, there will always be a "we need to sacrifice more" excuse, and by WE, they mean us and they'll just find a way to exempt themselves.
Like I said before, I'm not playing that game. If ****** to buy insurance, I will not do so even if it's affordable. I personally don't take kind to being ****** to do things especially when I don't agree with them. And don't give me the "you got to buy car insurance", not if I don't have a car. And besides driving is not a right, but a privilege. Is living now becoming a privilege? Whatever happened to the "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? Any fines I'm given I'll send a check for $0.00 with a note to stick it where the sun don't shine and will not pay for them. It's called Civil Disobedience people.
Okay, all you liberals that think that this is all "free health care for everyone", WHEN (not if, but a certainty that will happen) we start seeing rationing, less access and more waiting lists for surgeries, less doctors, when people start being denied treatment for illnesses that can be treated and given euthanasia instead even if they're still young and productive, will you finally accept that you guys were wrong about this whole damn thing? Yeah, not holding my breath for that, there will always be a "we need to sacrifice more" excuse, and by WE, they mean us and they'll just find a way to exempt themselves.
Like I said before, I'm not playing that game. If ****** to buy insurance, I will not do so even if it's affordable. I personally don't take kind to being ****** to do things especially when I don't agree with them. And don't give me the "you got to buy car insurance", not if I don't have a car. And besides driving is not a right, but a privilege. Is living now becoming a privilege? Whatever happened to the "right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? Any fines I'm given I'll send a check for $0.00 with a note to stick it where the sun don't shine and will not pay for them. It's called Civil Disobedience people.
I see your veiws of the political parties are a bit off, and need to be corrected. Conservatives don't like social medicine, because they feel it would lead to mediocrate and technological stagnation. and in your final idea about the senator telling the electorate to be patriotic and die when their supposed too, would be ALOT more liberal. Obama mentions sacrifices all the time in speaches.
While I am not that happy with the health care reform being proposed(not nearly enough is being done about costs) as long as a public option is part of the bill its a good 1st step.Eventually with that maybe we can get to a more european/canadian type system which spend way less.
The current system costs us way to much with to little benefit for the money spent.
We are at something like 17% of GDP spent on health care, and that will only skyrocket when the boomers retire unless we get a more efficent system , a not for profit single payer system.Even with that type of system health care will be a big part of our spending and will result in hard choices needed to me made (rationing,end of life spending etc),the current system would just break our economy in the coming years.A ****** spending $10,000 per year for health care will be spending $29,000 by 2019.Most will simply find that impossible to afford.
Anyone who thinks they will be able to just defy any insurance requirement I wish you luck.The govt will just garnish your wages at some point with penalties.Same thing they do to people who don't pay taxes.
And republicans have offered nothing significant that would begin to do anything about the out of control costs,not surprising since they only represent the interests of the rich like insurance and **** companies.
And Mrs Jolly expressed it well echoing what I think ,our system as he and I said will break us and is major problem for us in competeing with countries like Japan and the europeans who all have some variation of so called socialized insurance.
If nothing is done all you 20 and 30 somethings will be paying probably a 50% tax on earnings in the future to fund the boomers medicare.
The current system costs us way to much with to little benefit for the money spent.
We are at something like 17% of GDP spent on health care, and that will only skyrocket when the boomers retire unless we get a more efficent system , a not for profit single payer system.Even with that type of system health care will be a big part of our spending and will result in hard choices needed to me made (rationing,end of life spending etc),the current system would just break our economy in the coming years.A ****** spending $10,000 per year for health care will be spending $29,000 by 2019.Most will simply find that impossible to afford.
Anyone who thinks they will be able to just defy any insurance requirement I wish you luck.The govt will just garnish your wages at some point with penalties.Same thing they do to people who don't pay taxes.
And republicans have offered nothing significant that would begin to do anything about the out of control costs,not surprising since they only represent the interests of the rich like insurance and **** companies.
And Mrs Jolly expressed it well echoing what I think ,our system as he and I said will break us and is major problem for us in competeing with countries like Japan and the europeans who all have some variation of so called socialized insurance.
If nothing is done all you 20 and 30 somethings will be paying probably a 50% tax on earnings in the future to fund the boomers medicare.
Yes, but he's only talking about conservatives.
We liberals will get all the health care we want while you lot are shipped off to FEMA administered camps to be exterminated.
We kept this secret as long as we could, but thanks to sharp cookies such as yourself that decoded his speeches the cat's out of the bag now.
I see you think that conservative means republican and republican is a fixed mindset.
At the moment the biggest beneficiaries of social meds are conservatives/republicans, I'm unaware of a grey right revolution where they are refusing ***** and treatment, because there isn't one. ************ **** benefits anyone? (Take a guess who signed that into law?) From where I'm sitting they are doing a shitty job of refusing any of it. Currently, if you are ******** or in the throes of "terminal care" medicare just foots the bill regardless of underlying conditions - terminal cancer etc. As I understand it the aged and dying are majority conservative.
Please: I spent half my last post outlining the fact that medical health spending is something that is already and will continue to be something that will cripple the US economically, if it is not dealt with in absolute terms. I don't care if republicans or democrats solve it. However, solve it they must. ie all the European countries have put limits on how much they spend to keep very old sick people alive. The US has not grasped this nettle yet. When you are old and shitty and your profit hungry insurance company gives out, medicare steps in. That is the tax payer. The hospitals don't mind ,they will do tests all day every day, even though you have cancer, a heart condition and are brain dead, they will get paid by medicare. Would the money be better off spent elsewhere? Can America afford it?
What happened to conservatives (Not republicans - I don't get them) that they aren't all over this?
Hehe, i knew it! lol.
but on a more serious note, a public option is exactly what most americans don't want (damn democracy, lol). But hey, keep on trucking it's worked for libs the past 4-5 yrs now.
Sorry, Miss Jolly. But I have no idea who you are referring too other than a small minority. You might as well say the Amish, I have been a conservative quite awhile, and yes voted for more republicans than democrats(probibly 80/20). But the main problem here is what all americans think their "entitled" too they make references in the constitution of how Obama's plan is somehow constitutional, a real joke really. Then to think our care will actually be as good, and cheaper! How? really, how, please tell everyone this.
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