Ted Cruz Game Changer

Ahh, the left hates him, so of course I like him. :)
 
Ahh, the left hates him, so of course I like him. :)

Don't hate him I've never met the man but in the research I've done he IS a grandstanding, never done anything of real value, got zero answers that make any real sense, run of the mill political A hole. The kind of political professional the right screams and yells we have too many of already.
The roster of republican/teaparty/democrat
Hopefuls reads as a who's who of get rich quick, follow the $$, slime we should be chasing off not putting in office.
As to liberal that I am certainly not.
Just another American trying to get by and mind my own buisiness so that other Americans can do the same.
Once again I will be forced to vote for the lesser of 2 evils and another mouth piece for power hungry rich pricks is definitely as evil as it gets.
 
He was solicitor general for the state of Texas, adjunct professor of law at University of Texas. Worked for the Federal Trade Commission. Deputy attorney general DOJ. Argued at least 8 or 9 cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. Graduate of both Princeton and Harvard (Law Review).

United States senator class of 2012.



What a waste of life that dude is .
 
He was solicitor general for the state of Texas, adjunct professor of law at University of Texas. Worked for the Federal Trade Commission. Deputy attorney general DOJ. Argued at least 8 or 9 cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. Graduate of both Princeton and Harvard (Law Review).

United States senator class of 2012.



What a waste of life that dude is .

Schooling means very little to me I know many highly educated people who I wouldn't trust with my dead cat.
The DOJ is proving time and again to be no different than capitol hill "see Eric Holder".
Just the mention of anything to do with the State of Texas makes me cringe.
Lawyers for the most part, I do not believe in absolutes, are to be kept at arms length and only used in an emergency.
He is well known for saying whatever the crowd in front of him wants to hear.
He picks and chooses who gets to ask 'soft' questions of him.
He takes money from some of the lowest forms of life in this country. HMMM who could that be.
All these things point to just another political hireling and like almost every other hopeful in 2016 not the guy for the job.
 
Most of what you said against Cruz is exactly what those that supported Obama thought that made him the most qualified, save where he hails from.

Nice passing shot at lawyers. I like the cut of your jib.
 

Rattrap

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Once again I will be forced to vote for the lesser of 2 evils and another mouth piece for power hungry rich pricks is definitely as evil as it gets.
No, you will not be forced. If you're voting for evil, that's your choice - own it. Understand that the system is the way it is because of that choice (and the very similar ones being made by millions of others).

Or - and this is out there, I know - don't vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. There's always more than two names on the ballot.
 
No, you will not be forced. If you're voting for evil, that's your choice - own it. Understand that the system is the way it is because of that choice (and the very similar ones being made by millions of others).


Or - and this is out there, I know - don't vote for evil, lesser or otherwise. There's always more than two names on the ballot.

You only have 2 legitimate choices for president every time and not voting or voting for someone with zero chance is just another vote for the greater evil.
 

Rattrap

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You only have 2 legitimate choices for president every time and not voting or voting for someone with zero chance is just another vote for the greater evil.
This is literally and logically false, and this thinking will never improve the politics of this country. Never. As sure as death and taxes, never. I don't even know why you'd bother voting or debating when thinking like this, considering your '2 legitimate choices' are almost always big-government-corporatists with dubious foreign policy interests, in red or blue flavor.

The people who voted for Ralph Nader did not vote for or elect George W Bush. The people who voted for George W Bush did.
The people who voted for Ross Perot did not vote for or elect Bill Clinton. The people who voted for Bill Clinton did.
 
This is literally and logically false, and this thinking will never improve the politics of this country. Never. As sure as death and taxes, never. I don't even know why you'd bother voting or debating when thinking like this, considering your '2 legitimate choices' are almost always big-government-corporatists with dubious foreign policy interests, in red or blue flavor.

The people who voted for Ralph Nader did not vote for or elect George W Bush. The people who voted for George W Bush did.
The people who voted for Ross Perot did not vote for or elect Bill Clinton. The people who voted for Bill Clinton did.

You are incorrect the GOP went out of their way to assist the Nader campaign they would have lost in a landslide if he wasn't sucking votes from gore.
And you go ahead and waste your time and vote on smokey bear this changes nothing and helps nobody.
 

Rattrap

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You are incorrect the GOP went out of their way to assist the Nader campaign they would have lost in a landslide if he wasn't sucking votes from gore.
No, I am not - what the GOP did is completely irrelevent to the logical statement at hand. Don't tell me that because you've given me a choice between red or blue and I've chosen purple that I've chosen red or blue. This does not follow (and which one would it be, anyway? How have you decided that red or blue ought to be entitled to my vote, that purple has 'stolen'?). You might as well tell me 2+2=5 or that gravity pulls you toward the sky. Nader didn't 'suck votes' from Gore - he won those votes by appearing to represent those voters better than Gore. You know how Gore could've got those votes? By having stronger positions on the issues those people supported. Once again: the people who voted for Nader did not elect George W Bush. The people who voted for George W Bush did (and, well, the Supreme Court, but that's neither here nor there). 2+2=4. Period.

And you go ahead and waste your time and vote on smokey bear this changes nothing and helps nobody.
Ah, so you figure actively supporting the establishment political options has helped people? Or changed anything (you know, because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...)? Please, enlighten me how that's been going for us.
 
No, I am not - what the GOP did is completely irrelevent to the logical statement at hand. Don't tell me that because you've given me a choice between red or blue and I've chosen purple that I've chosen red or blue. This does not follow (and which one would it be, anyway? How have you decided that red or blue ought to be entitled to my vote, that purple has 'stolen'?). You Might as well tell me 2+2=5 or that gravity pulls you toward the sky. Nader didn't 'suck votes' from Gore - he won those votes by appearing to represent those voters better than Gore. You know how Gore could've got those votes? By having stronger positions on the issues those people supported. Once again: the people who voted for Nader did not elect George W Bush. The people who voted for George W Bush did (and, well, the Supreme Court, but that's neither here nor there). 2+2=4. Period.


Ah, so you figure actively supporting the establishment political options has helped people? Or changed anything (you know, because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...)? Please, enlighten me how that's been going for us.

Things will not change because you choose to vote for a position you believe in if that position has zero chance of winning.
You have nothing in return but if your vote defeats something you know to be flawed even more greatly than the flawed entity you voted for then you have thwarted that entity.
Votes are seldom an act of support or belief they can be used in many different ways to help the common good.
The political establishment isn't going anywhere until the FED is removed and/or 80 to 90% of Americans get off their ass and vote.
Honestly voting should be a mandatory thing once you reach legal voting age you should be required to vote its a national disgrace that the numbers are as low as they are.
But most of us are sheep more concerned with silly shit than the things that they should be focused on.
 

Rattrap

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Things will not change because you choose to vote for a position you believe in...
That is the only chance of change there is.

...if that position has zero chance of winning.
It only has zero chance if it's not voted for. So how to give it a chance? Vote for it.

You have nothing in return but if your vote defeats something you know to be flawed even more greatly than the flawed entity you voted for then you have thwarted that entity.
Do you know what you have in return for your votes? Our government as it is today. A Congress with borderline single-digit approval ratings. Our involvement in never-ending foreign engagements (including the dead on either side that come with). Crony capitalisim at its finest. An oligarchy aided by a Supreme Court that issues ironically blatantly unconstitutional rulings. This is the lesser evil you are voting for. Happy? I'll take my 'nothing in return' over your 'loss in return'.

The political establishment isn't going anywhere until the FED is removed...
Won't happen if you don't vote for it. Seeing a pattern?

...and/or 80 to 90% of Americans get off their ass and vote.
It doesn't matter how many vote for change, so long as it's more than those who vote for things to stay the same.

Honestly voting should be a mandatory thing once you reach legal voting age you should be required to vote...
I think this is a great idea in theory and a terrible idea in practice. Or maybe it can be done with the right ballot (such as 'none of the above' being at the top, or something - one would have to see how Australia does with it).

...its a national disgrace that the numbers are as low as they are.
But most of us are sheep more concerned with silly shit than the things that they should be focused on.
On these points we are in full agreement.
 
"Or maybe it can be done with the right ballot (such as 'none of the above' being at the top, or something"

I think you meant 'none of the above' being at the bottom", otherwise it doesn't make any sense. ;) I've been in favor of 'NOTA' for decades.
 
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