Swastika = Well Being

Do you believe the normal swastika is all that is good?

  • YES

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • NO

    Votes: 15 78.9%

  • Total voters
    19

24788

☼LEGIT☼
I believe that the normal swastika is beautiful.

Do you guys think the swastika is all that is beautiful?
 

LukeEl

I am a failure to the Korean side of my family
As far as Tibetan symbols of sorts I guess? I still like the Double Headed Eagle from Roman times though that is a cool symbol.
 
"All that is good/all that is beautiful"? WTF? Is one of those posts were you get to "educate" people on the origins when they pretend to be outraged over the symbol?
 

24788

☼LEGIT☼
Okay -- I'll bite out of genuine curiosity. I know it's a symbol that originated in ancient India and is commonplace in Hindu works/documents, but why exactly do you find it "beautiful"?

It was a symbol of peace between all the religions in ancient times. Americans used it until the 30's. Boy scouts used it as their symbol until the early 30s. It's a sign of luck + peace and has other things wrapped into it. The swastikas were an ice hockey team in canada. One man changed the entire symbol. Many countries flew the flag before the Nazi regime.

for 1000's of years it was used as good, but 10+ years changed that quickly.

Hitler knew it was a peaceful symbol and it pissed him off. He used it to help him gain power.
 
Yeah, yeah. The swastika was a symbol of peace.

And the Ku Klux Klan was originally just about opposing Reconstruction.

:cool:
 
It is nothing more than another symbol that might have peaceful origins turn symbol of hate and a past of world hatred and evil.

It is now forever tarnished.
 
It was a symbol of peace between all the religions in ancient times. Americans used it until the 30's. Boy scouts used it as their symbol until the early 30s. It's a sign of luck + peace and has other things wrapped into it. The swastikas were an ice hockey team in canada. One man changed the entire symbol. Many countries flew the flag before the Nazi regime.

for 1000's of years it was used as good, but 10+ years changed that quickly.

Hitler knew it was a peaceful symbol and it pissed him off. He used it to help him gain power.

The Nazi Party and German war machine was much more than one man. And Hitler and the Nazi Party didn't use the symbol because peace "pissed him off". It was because of their adoption and mythologized perversion of the "Aryan race".

Go look up Krohn and Guido von List and the lengths Himmler and the SS went to investigate the occult and attempt to validate their new age bullshit.
 

24788

☼LEGIT☼
The Nazi Party and German war machine was much more than one man. And Hitler and the Nazi Party didn't use the symbol because peace "pissed him off". It was because of their adoption and mythologized perversion of the "Aryan race".

Go look up Krohn and Guido von List and the lengths Himmler and the SS went to investigate the occult and attempt to validate their new age bullshit.

I view it more peace pissed him off because he loved killing. He was nuts in the head.
 
The Nazi Party and German war machine was much more than one man. And Hitler and the Nazi Party didn't use the symbol because peace "pissed him off". It was because of their adoption and mythologized perversion of the "Aryan race".

Go look up Krohn and Guido von List and the lengths Himmler and the SS went to investigate the occult and attempt to validate their new age bullshit.

One of the folks that Hitler read about was Aleister Crowley. And some Madame lady, I forget her name, however this is where the Aryan race concept planted itself in Hitler's mind.

Hitler and the Nazis were a lot like a all girl sleepover trying magic with each other, but instead of "Light as a feather, stiff as a board" it was "White race, kill all Jews" concept.
 

24788

☼LEGIT☼
I don't even understand how this changed to hitler so much. I'm going to go. I hate talking about hitler and how he fucking ruined a beautiful symbol of peace. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
 
One of the folks that Hitler read about was Aleister Crowley. And some Madame lady, I forget her name, however this is where the Aryan race concept planted itself in Hitler's mind.

Hitler and the Nazis were a lot like a all girl sleepover trying magic with each other, but instead of "Light as a feather, stiff as a board" it was "White race, kill all Jews" concept.

The madame lady was Savitri Devi and she was a new age nut job. People think that new age mysticism bullshit came around in the 60s...but that's not the case at all. I wish people knew how completely bizarre and whacked Nazi religious philosophy was. Everything from UFOs and Atlantis to Hinduism, Thor and the Holy Grail. L Ron Hubbard couldn't hold a candle to that lunacy.
 
It's a symbol nothing more and as a symbol its meaning is as eligible to the same level of subjectivity that all symbols are. There was a time when it may have been a symbol of peace, now it isn't. That's just how it goes and attempting to redress the balance would just be an exercise in futility. Recent history has created a new meaning for this particular symbol in the minds of many and until that can be changed (which isn't going to be able to happen for a while) the swastika will continue to represent what we associate with it.

Do I believe it to be beautiful? In a purely aesthetic sense, not particularly. But then again whether or not I believe it to be beautiful or not means absolutely nothing.
 
It's a symbol and like every symbol means different things and over time has totally changed from what it was originally intended for. Sadly now its a symbol for hate. That will likely not change in our or our childrens childrens life time. After that how know.
 
I don't even understand how this changed to hitler so much. I'm going to go. I hate talking about hitler and how he fucking ruined a beautiful symbol of peace. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow.

Hitler had a deep-seeded hatred for Jews due to the fact he believes Dr. Eduard Bloche led to his mother's death. On Hitler's father side there is rampant psychological problems of every kind running through that heredity.

Once he read from New Age/Occult writers and practitioners is where he came across the Aryan race of all white, blonde, blue eyes, and pure blood; he felt that would purify the world, but at the same time, kill off all the Jews.

It just goes back to a hatred that boiled in his heart and he came about to where he could act on it. Though you see where it got him...

The madame lady was Savitri Devi and she was a new age nut job. People think that new age mysticism bullshit came around in the 60s...but that's not the case at all. I wish people knew how completely bizarre and whacked Nazi religious philosophy was. Everything from UFOs and Atlantis to Hinduism, Thor and the Holy Grail. L Ron Hubbard couldn't hold a candle to that lunacy.

Holy Grail? I know they say he had Spear of Destiny... though, that is silly, considering the spear that stabbed Jesus was only a spear. It holds no power. However, yes, that is actually where Hellboy concept came from when Mike Mignolia came up with the idea. He was thinking, what if they actually did bring something from beyond, but the allies got a hold of it instead.

This is history. Just a sad part. Still history and this is the kind of history we want to remember so we understand if something should arise again in this fashion.
 
Hitler had a deep-seeded hatred for Jews due to the fact he believes Dr. Eduard Bloche led to his mother's death. On Hitler's father side there is rampant psychological problems of every kind running through that heredity.

Once he read from New Age/Occult writers and practitioners is where he came across the Aryan race of all white, blonde, blue eyes, and pure blood; he felt that would purify the world, but at the same time, kill off all the Jews.

It just goes back to a hatred that boiled in his heart and he came about to where he could act on it. Though you see where it got him...

I think he meant that doesn't understand how his swastika thread came to be about Hitler...


Anyway, you're a Mignola fan?

Edit: Embedding is disabled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_64GdGhuOkU :o
 
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