Spanish National Anthem

[Tgunz262]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060427/ap_en_mu/spanish_national_anthem

I think I'm becoming rather xenophobic. I say come in legally, learn English, or GTFO!

All right, I'll be nicer. But at least learn English. Please.

 

[Baal]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060427/ap_en_mu/spanish_national_anthem

I think I'm becoming rather xenophobic. I say come in legally, learn English, or GTFO!

All right, I'll be nicer. But at least learn English. Please.

Thats Awsome....

Spanish version everything kicks ass!!!!

LOLOLOLOL

 

[member2686]

"A remix to be released in June will contain several lines in English that condemn U.S. immigration laws. Among them: 'These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws ... let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born.'"

Oh man, that's a fuckin' outrage! I'm NOT even going to write a post because I'm too pissed off!!! This "culture of perpetual 'victimitis'" has fucking got to go!!! :thefinger :thefinger

 

[jumbo_jim]

Not against people moving between country's but if you are going to move you should at least be bothereed to learn the language of the place you have moved.

 

[Jizm]

Go back to Mexico, sing it there.

 

[BNF]

Not against people moving between country's but if you are going to move you should at least be bothereed to learn the language of the place you have moved.

...then again if you move to an area or neighborhood where no one else, out of 1000s of people, speaks what the majority speaks, you get radio and TV and newspapers in your own language, you can go to the grocery store, the video store, the bank, call the phone company, buy a car, all in your mother tongue.....what exactly is the language of the place to which you have moved?

Besides, I don't think the USA has an official language. English is the most common and the original tongue, but I do not believe that there is a "law" stating that there is a national tongue.

What's the harm in speaking more than one language?


---edit---

Jizm's statement, imho, is the reactionary problem. Not all Spanish speaking immigrants are from Mexico, though the majority may be. I'm waiting for someone to call those that do not speak english yet (or well) lazy.... Picking up and moving to a foreign (and increasingly hostile) land for a chance at a better life.... yes, how lazy.

 

[D-rock]

I knew a teacher that wanted to go teach in California and he was all set up to take the job, until they found out that he couldn't speak Spanish. Apparently there were so many people that couldn't speak English, many of them illegal that they had to have people that could speak Spanish in that area. That cost him his job out there because it. There are other incidences just like that where it makes it harder for people that work in public institutions and other places like hospitals. Why should we have to add an extra expense and go out of out way when they are the ones that want to come to our country? It makes it more difficult with things like a need to have more people or at least people that are more qualified on hand to handle certain functions to printing more documents in a multitude of languages so everybody is able to read them. Also how is one suppose to read road signs or tell what an emergency message is if they don't understand the language. In things like that we must either cater to everybody or make them conform to what we use, which is easier. That has a lot to do with it, it isn't just paranoid xenophobia, although I am sure there are people that have that to. It is also partly why most other countries do have on official language. Our lack of one was probably seen at one time as trying to be welcoming, but IMO has ended up being something that has backfired on us.

Also unlike Europe there isn't a variety of nations, cultures, and ethnicities packed into a relatively small space. We already speak the international business language, which is English while some people in other countries find a need to learn it. Because of those reasons it is normal for many people over there to learn to understand a couple of different languages. That isn't the situation over here and is probably the reason Americans don’t bother to learn other languages.

 

[poggy]

English isn't the USA's language anyway. English only became their language as the British started to take over the country (rightly to be kicked out later). If your going to be picky then it should be 'Native American' the language of the Red Indians (to use the wrongly address of them). I'm no expert on this but I think they speak different kinds too.

So IMO America is like many other places in the world now. Multi languaged, which means this should happen and help people settle in. Your always going to get immigrates and people complaining against it. But what people need to do is ask themselves this question. Are you the original nationality or have you desended from a settler in that country ?

Remember the dominant race in a country are not always the first to be there!

 

[FullMoonWolf]

"Nuestro Himno"

"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English."- George W. Bush

This coming from the man that ALSO said: "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

AND:

"Americans should be prudent in their use of energy during the course of the next few weeks. Don't buy gas if you don't need it." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 1, 2005


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/28/bush.anthem.ap/index.html

 

[member2686]

Re: "Nuestro Himno"

You might find this thread of interest... :hatsoff:

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=74573

 

[deviously]

I am Chicano. Once in High School, my spanish teacher told me to say a word in spanish. I guess since i wasnt taught it at home that my pronunciation wasnt to my teachers likings, the she told me in front of class, "What Kind Of Mexican Are You"? Well after a pricey lawsuit, i guess she knew what type i was. The moral of this story.... If it isnt broken, don't fix it!

 

[member2686]

Damn. "Chicano." I haven't heard that term used in a long time!!! :eek: :nanner:

http://www.azteca.net/aztec/chicano.html

 

[ThomasJenkins]

Whatever happened to "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"... I guess cuz its the US, then it doesn't apply???

My grandfather was an immigrant from Switzerland. He came to the US through Ellis Island, was given a physical, shots, papers, eventually had to learn English to understand was going on, later took some written tests about being a US citizen and finally attained his legal US Citizenship status. When I think of it, that's exactly what all of my grandparents had to do.... two from Switzerland, one from Wales and the other from Hungary.

Why should it be any different for Hispanics today? Why should the US change its laws to adapt to Hispanics, or any other foreign citizen? Why is too much to ask for today's immigrants to complete what my grandparents completed to attain citizenship and to be rewarded the same benefits under the law and constitution??

 

[member2686]

To answer your 3 questions (IMO): It shouldn't. It shouldn't. It's not.

The problem is some feeling of special entitlement, IMO. I know people in several countries who can't even VISIT the USA because just to get a TOURIST VISA requires an application process and their home countries are afraid they'll never come back.

At the same time we have families and individuals slipping through the boarder on foot, in trucks, cars, vans, etc. from Mexico illegally and they're never documented, never go through a legal process, etc. and are never sent back when caught. Christ, in California, they wanted to grant them driver's licenses! Eventually these people become a tax burden on legal citizens in our health care system (they can't get legal jobs with health insurance) and also many end up in the prison system. That's something I'll never understand - why the Hell do we bother trying and imprisoning an illegal immigrant?! Fucking deport them. Period. It's cheaper and also enforces our immigration laws.

Oh well. It'll probably never change; the demand for cheap labor is too strong.

:2 cents:

...Why should it be any different for Hispanics today? Why should the US change its laws to adapt to Hispanics, or any other foreign citizen? Why is too much to ask for today's immigrants to complete what my grandparents completed to attain citizenship and to be rewarded the same benefits under the law and constitution??

 

[Aeromar27]

SPAIN IS NOT A SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY... I'm Spanish. Call them Hispanic if u want, but don't call them Spanish. Spain is in Europe! We don't say "Mamacita" and our women are gorgeous.

I live in Spain, i don't want to work in the US. I think my European passport is worth more than a green card. No hard feelings, please. Spain is full of inmigrants aswell, i know what u guys feel when u go in the subway and find it hard to find someone who speaks ur friggin language. Spanish themselves do not emigrate to any other country. Please stop confusing hispanic southamericans with spanish people from Spain. We have blondes aswell, dammit. Italy being round the corner... And France being our neighbor... rings a bell?

Sorry i HAD to say it.

Ok... freeones language: Nacho Vidal is Spanish (from Nachos Killer Pussy)

 

[senob44]

SPAIN IS NOT A SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRY... I'm Spanish. Call them Hispanic if u want, but don't call them Spanish. Spain is in Europe! We don't say "Mamacita" and our women are gorgeous.

I live in Spain, i don't want to work in the US. I think my European passport is worth more than a green card. No hard feelings, please. Spain is full of inmigrants aswell, i know what u guys feel when u go in the subway and find it hard to find someone who speaks ur friggin language. Spanish themselves do not emigrate to any other country. Please stop confusing hispanic southamericans with spanish people from Spain. We have blondes aswell, dammit. Italy being round the corner... And France being our neighbor... rings a bell?

Sorry i HAD to say it.

Ok... freeones language: Nacho Vidal is Spanish (from Nachos Killer Pussy)

Looking over this thread, not one poster referred to any illegal immigrants as "Spanish", they said that they speak Spanish. Sounds like you've got an axe to grind with no one. Great Bump.

 

[Aeromar27]

Looking over this thread, not one poster referred to any illegal immigrants as "Spanish", they said that they speak Spanish. Sounds like you've got an axe to grind with no one. Great Bump.

I guess ur right... but that was an example of my repulsion to the "who is Spanish and who's not" issue. It was not the main discussion here i know, but please understand. You have to agree with me on the fact that in the States there is a big confusion. An example? El Zorro... isnt he mexican? Then why the flamenco music! They don't listen to flamenco in mexico! It'd be as if there was a movie made in France, about American cowboys, and the soundtrack was um... Scottish bagpipe music! Ok, the one time it would be funny, but it does get annoying u know. And it also gets worse, to the point of being pre-judged when you go to other states, unfairly. And for what is worth, i do fly to the states, frequently... as a matter of fact im the pilot, and i like to spend my vacations in New York as well (WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? some would say).

I guess you would feel the same if the rest of the world dared to put all english speakers in the same sack, and boy they are different. Australians, Southafricans... British themselves. I know US people dont have a problem with that issue cause you'r not mixed up with another english speaking nationality when they get famous for (and im not generalizing here), commiting crimes and things like that.

 

[meesterperfect]

So the U.S. should not have an official language?
Is that only the U.S. or every country?
A common religion or race is one level.
But a common language I feel is another.

For the sake of Education,business, the economy,security and the overall effective functioning of the government and society, a common language is needed.

 

[gunslingingbird]

So the U.S. should not have an official language?
Is that only the U.S. or every country?
A common religion or race is one level.
But a common language I feel is another.

For the sake of Education,business, the economy,security and the overall effective functioning of the government and society, a common language is needed.

A common language is needed, but it shouldn't be a deterrent to keep people from using their mother tongues. Many people are hell-bent on eradicating any language other than English in the US. I don't think that's the answer. A better solution would be to teach people in both English and their mother tongue, but emphasize English and its importance as a national language in the US.

 

[meesterperfect]

A common language is needed, but it shouldn't be a deterrent to keep people from using their mother tongues. Many people are hell-bent on eradicating any language other than English in the US. I don't think that's the answer. A better solution would be to teach people in both English and their mother tongue, but emphasize English and its importance as a national language in the US.

We agree but I've never seen any evidence of anybody trying to stop people from speaking their native language or any attempted eradication of either.
So how many different ethnicities are there in the U.S.?
Hundreds? To expect the education system to be able to teach them all in a hundred different languages is just not realistic, both financially and physically.
I just don't see the big deal. U.S.A. is an english speaking country so if you want to immigrate here learn at least enough of the language to function and maybe even be successful.
Hell I'm in Colombia and I don't expect anyone to go out of their way to understand english. Its my responsability to learn thier language, for my own sake.
Why is the U.S. held to a different standard?