So, You Dislike Arizona's New Immigration Policy?

[PlumpRump]

Try being an immigrant (illegal, or otherwise) in Italy, Switzerland, Australia, Japan or the UAE. After reading this article, I'd say having to present a few documents to prove legal immigrant status is not a poor trade-off to the alternatives around the rest of the world...

...the Italian government has instituted various measures aimed at curbing immigration. One of the harshest, passed by parliament in 2009, penalizes illegal immigrants with a fine of €5,000-10,000 and allows immigration officials to detain them for up to 6 months.

...tough new immigration law proposed by the SVP that is currently awaiting referendum. The law would allow the Swiss government to immediately deport all convicted criminals from other countries and -- depending on which specific provisions of the bill pass -- potentially their family members.

...collectively require the authorities to detain all non-citizens who are discovered in Australia without a valid visa. Between 1999 and 2003, the law was used to detain more than 2,000 child refugees from Southeast Asia and the Middle East who were seeking asylum in Australia.

...Passed in spring 2009, the law allows the Japanese government to pay $3,000 to each unemployed Latin American immigrant of Japanese descent (known as Nikkei in Japanese) and $2,000 to each of that unemployed worker's family members to return to their country of origin. The catch? These workers and their family members would be prohibited from ever returning to work in Japan. An estimated 366,000 Brazilians and Peruvians lived in Japan at the time.

...One of the toughest provisions in Emirati immigration law is the prohibition of foreigners from engaging in any sort of labor union-like activity. As a result, living conditions are often harsh, including 80-hour work weeks, back-breaking manual labor, and below-minimum-wage pay. It's not atypical for immigrants to live in "tiny pre-fabricated huts, 12 men to a room, forced to wash themselves in filthy brown water and cook in kitchens next to overflowing toilets."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/29/the_world_s_worst_immigration_laws?page=0,0

 

[Hot Mega]

How do their constitutional rights and/or laws compare to ours?

 

[pete rose]

We should consolidate all these immigration related threads into one gigantic megathread.

 

[calpoon]

It used to be,

America: The best country in the world.

Now it's,

America: It doesn't suck as bad as some other places.

 

[maildude]

Thank God I'm not Hispanic and live in Arizona. Take just a second...ONE second...and TRY to imagine how they feel.

 

[ballzano]

Thank God I'm not Hispanic and live in Arizona. Take just a second...ONE second...and TRY to imagine how they feel.

apparently most of the american citizens of hispanic decent in Arizona are 60% for it, its favored overal by 70%

 

[PlumpRump]

How do their constitutional rights and/or laws compare to ours?

That wasn't really my point... but since you asked, there are quite a few similarities between the US Constitution and the governing documents of the aforementioned countries.


Italy:
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/it00000_.html(Articles 2, 3, 13, 22, 24, and several others seem to ring a bell.)

Japan:
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Japan/English/english-Constitution.html#CHAPTER_III(Most of chapter III seems relevant here.)

Australia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Australia#Protection_of_rights(The section on protection of rights.)

Switzerland:
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sz00000_.html(Chapter 1, Articles 7-11, 13, 22, etc...)

UAE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates(Part 3, Articles 25-33 all sound familiar.)

 

[maildude]

apparently most of the american citizens of hispanic decent in Arizona are 60% for it, its favored overal by 70%

I'm sure, IF your figures are correct, that these same Hispanic "supporters" fully understand the extent and effect of the law. Try asking these people the same question I asked in my last post: How would you like to be stopped and hassled regularly from here on out?

 

[Jagger69]

There's already a thread that Sparky started on this that has over 300 posts.

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=399911

Suggest you use the search function to avoid this. Mega....how many threads do you want to debate this thing?? Don't encourage people to ignore the search feature.

I am your conscience. Thanks for listening.

 

[Hot Mega]

That wasn't really my point... but since you asked, there are quite a few similarities between the US Constitution and the governing documents of the aforementioned countries.


Italy:
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/it00000_.html(Articles 2, 3, 13, 22, 24, and several others seem to ring a bell.)

Japan:
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Japan/English/english-Constitution.html#CHAPTER_III(Most of chapter III seems relevant here.)

Australia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Australia#Protection_of_rights(The section on protection of rights.)

Switzerland:
http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sz00000_.html(Chapter 1, Articles 7-11, 13, 22, etc...)

UAE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates(Part 3, Articles 25-33 all sound familiar.)

Point was it doesn't really matter what other country's do since we all have our own laws and protections. Whether they even live up to their law and rights or not is even less relevant.

Bringing up how draconian, absurd or encroaching some laws are someplace else is irrelevant unless you want the US to be like that. In that case it'd be easier to just go live in the place you would like the US to emulate. <Hoping you get the ironic joke...

 

[CunningStunts]

30+ years too late IMHO, and while we are at it, why does your mother squirting you out of her uterus on US soil automatically make you a "citizen?" That's a pretty fuckin' low bar for citizenship.....

 

[Sparky Shortz]

Love you Jagger :lovecoupl

Let Hot Mega have fun with a different thread by another individual as I sure have had enough of his nonsense :eek:

There's already a thread that Sparky started on this that has over 300 posts.

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=399911

Suggest you use the search function to avoid this. Mega....how many threads do you want to debate this thing?? Don't encourage people to ignore the search feature.

I am your conscience. Thanks for listening.

 

[jod0565]

Love you Jagger :lovecoupl

Me too!

We should consolidate all these immigration related threads into one gigantic megathread.

Agreed!

How many more threads can be made of this...

 

[~~whimsy~~]

We should consolidate all these immigration related threads into one gigantic megathread.

I like your metaphor there. It's kind of like how illegal immigrants are coming into this country to turn it into one big megacountry! Just not as awesome as it sounds though...


:tongue:

 

[Hot Mega]

Love you Jagger :lovecoupl

Let Hot Mega have fun with a different thread by another individual as I sure have had enough of his nonsense :eek:

There you go again...Geezzz what is with you and JaneB worrying about 'Mega so much as I have to come up by name in so many of your posts.

Stick to making your point (if you can) on the subject not on the poster.

But anyone can see it for what it is...facing the inability to articulate a sensible counterpoint you resort to whining about the poster handing you your ass.:dunno:

 

[Red Spyder]

No, I don't dislike it, and I'm a Hispanic immigrant, but a LEGAL immigrant. If I were to go to Arizona I wouldn't feel in danger of being deported since, like I said, I came here LEGALLY, obeying all immigration laws. That's the key.

 

[Nester6]

Thank God I'm not Hispanic and live in Arizona. Take just a second...ONE second...and TRY to imagine how they feel.

If I came here legally, I would feel just fine and be appreciative of a law that prevents others from stealing from me and the country!

 

[Nester6]

No, I don't dislike it, and I'm a Hispanic immigrant, but a LEGAL immigrant. If I were to go to Arizona I wouldn't feel in danger of being deported since, like I said, I came here LEGALLY, obeying all immigration laws. That's the key.

And a big WELCOME to you because you are legal!

 

[calpoon]

If I came here legally, I would feel just fine and be appreciative of a law that prevents others from stealing from me and the country!

Then you won't mind if your neighbor calls the cops on you claiming that you have drugs, and they come in and search your house for them, right? Since you have nothing to hide and you appreciate them trying to stop other people who might actually have committed a crime.

Maybe once, but how much would you like it if it happened all the time?

Just because I'm innocent doesn't mean that I want to be treated like a criminal.

 

[D-rock]

My problem with the law isn't so much what the law wants to do. I also don't have an ethical problem with the result the law wants to achieve. What I have a problem with is the very vague and unspecified standard of what constitutes reasonable cause for a law enforcement official to suspect somebody is illegal. It just lends too many potential shady things to happen from law enforcement officials, and will just lead to too many ridiculous situations happening to innocent people that defy common sense. I have a problem with them just assuming somebody might be illegal just because of their race. Unless an official just happens to fall upon extremely good evidence I don't see how this law can be enforced like people think it should be. If they change it to implement it properly I don't see the law being effective at all in a practical sense. I also have a problem with assuming everybody is always going to be carrying around some form of proper identification at all times. It seems like a well intended law that was poorly thought out and will have a lot of negative consequences because of that. They need to strictly work the law out more to indicate in what situations somebody should be suspected.

How do their constitutional rights and/or laws compare to ours?

They're illegals and technically have no rights outside of maybe some treaties we have signed and what we chose to give them.