So I woke up completely fucked this morning.........
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True ... and those who milk the system will more than likely continue to milk the system free of any checks and balances... even after our economy retools itself there will be those who won't look for employment... they don't have to...
reelect the standing potus and secure that position another 4 years!
If your illness gets really gnarly, I'm sure there's a local county hospital in your area that would admit you... just default on the billing process... who cares if they ding your cred rating?
If the illegals have exhausted the county hospital resources in Az. you can always come up to Calif.
That's so good to hear. It's always better to have digestive problems then back pain. Back pain is terrible and most of the time not so good. Perhaps it was just a musscle or a nerve as a result of the way you slept.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
(The part in red) I don't know who told you that, Scott, but that is not true. Once a medical bill goes to collections, it most definitely goes against your credit. If it then becomes a judgement, it gets even worse for your credit score. If they then begin placing liens on your property or garnishments on your wages... it gets that much worse. Indigent or not, it doesn't matter unless the hospital decides to write the debt off. And even if they do that, you'll still see several bills before they decide to write it off. If they don't make some effort, they can't write it off and get the tax break. I'm getting ready to write off a debt for a loan I made in 2009. But to get take the loss on my taxes, I have to serve the guy, take him to court and get a judgement. I have to show that I made some effort and it is indeed an uncollectable debt.
When I got into a battle with my insurance company a couple of years ago over a (supposed) pre-existing condition that they claimed I hadn't divulged (I was 5 years old when I last got sick with something similar!!! Can't say that I remember much that happened when I was 5 years old), I got trapped between a crooked insurance company (Wells Fargo) and a quack doctor who wanted his money (I don't know about you, but $50 grand isn't something that I keep in the bedside night stand). The doctor was going to send my bill to collections. He said I should pay it all and then I should fight the insurance company on my time, not his. Fine. I said I'd place a lien on his house for not providing me with adequate medical services. His incompetence had damaged me to the tune of... $50,000. He found out, through his attorney, that I could do that, though it wouldn't be any problem getting it removed... in 3-6 months - just enough time for me to wreck his credit rating.
At that point, he decided to join my team and help me fight the crooks at Wells Fargo to get the claim settled. So at the end of the day, I ended up paying (out of pocket) about $10 grand and the Wells Fargo crooks paid the other $40 grand +/-. But they thought they had me over a barrel because most people probably don't have as much experience with the legal system, judgements and liens as I do. The average professional would just think, "Fuck! I can't let my credit rating get whacked. I could lose my job over a judgement or a lien. I'll do whatever they tell me to do to prevent that." I thought, "You fuck me and I'll just fuck you right back. See if I'm bluffing."The American medical system is good & bad. It all comes down to which doctor you go to or which hospital you end up in. I was in a hospital in Mississippi and I felt lucky to get out of there alive. I was in a hospital in Northern VA and I felt like they could have cured me of anything. But insurance companies? I'd pay my last dime to hunt an insurance company executive for sport. I wouldn't want to kill him. So I'd use a small caliber weapon and use dogs to run him down. I'd want to watch him die from fear and exhaustion... not a bullet wound.
As for Ulysses, my Mississippi hospital visit was caused by a disc in my back that shifted and pinched a nerve. That caused severe "spasming" (is that a word?) and that caused swelling... which caused more spasming. It hurt like nothing I've ever experienced. I actually collapsed face first onto a desk while trying to check into the hotel. But it didn't go away - as I was leaving town, I collapsed face first at the security area in the airport (funny how one guard jumped away from me because I scared the poor bastard when I went down). I know almost nothing about medicine, so I wouldn't pretend to have any idea about what might have gotten you. But however you do it, you definitely need to find a doctor to go to because the next time, you might not have time to get to the doctor.
True ... and those who milk the system will more than likely continue to milk the system free of any checks and balances... even after our economy retools itself there will be those who won't look for employment... they don't have to...
reelect the standing potus and secure that position another 4 years!
If your illness gets really gnarly, I'm sure there's a local county hospital in your area that would admit you... just default on the billing process... who cares if they ding your cred rating?
If the illegals have exhausted the county hospital resources in Az. you can always come up to Calif.
Plenty of ways (which we won't discuss, right bro
) Well I won't get into it, but, I can say that the entire politics of it over here on the East Side (and the rest of the TC) have become ridiculous.
(The part in red) I don't know who told you that, Scott, but that is not true. Once a medical bill goes to collections, it most definitely goes against your credit. If it then becomes a judgement, it gets even worse for your credit score. If they then begin placing liens on your property or garnishments on your wages... it gets that much worse. Indigent or not, it doesn't matter unless the hospital decides to write the debt off. And even if they do that, you'll still see several bills before they decide to write it off. If they don't make some effort, they can't write it off and get the tax break. I'm getting ready to write off a debt for a loan I made in 2009. But to get take the loss on my taxes, I have to serve the guy, take him to court and get a judgement.
When I got into a battle with my insurance company a couple of years ago over a (supposed) pre-existing condition that they claimed I hadn't divulged (I was 5 years old when I last got sick with something similar!!! Can't say that I remember much that happened when I was 5 years old), I got trapped between a crooked insurance company (Wells Fargo) and a quack doctor who wanted his money (I don't know about you, but $50 grand isn't something that I keep in the bedside night stand). The doctor was going to send my bill to collections. He said I should pay and then I should fight the insurance company on my time, not his. Fine. I said I'd place a lien on his house for not providing me with adequate medical services. His incompetence had damaged me to the tune of... $50,000. He found out, through his attorney, that I could do that, though it wouldn't be any problem getting it removed... in 3-6 months - just enough time for me to wreck his credit rating.
The American medical system is good & bad. It all comes down to which doctor you go to or which hospital you end up in. I was in a hospital in Mississippi and I felt lucky to get out of there alive. I was in a hospital in Northern VA and I felt like they could have cured me of anything. But insurance companies? I'd pay my last dime to hunt an insurance company executive for sport. I wouldn't want to kill him. So I'd use a small caliber weapon and use dogs to run him down. I'd want to watch him die from fear and exhaustion... not a bullet wound.
As for Ulysses, my Mississippi hospital visit was caused by a disc in my back that shifted and pinched a nerve. That caused severe "spasming" (is that a word?) and that caused swelling... which caused more spasming. It hurt like nothing I've ever experienced. I actually collapsed face first onto a desk while trying to check into the hotel. But it didn't go away - as I was leaving town, I collapsed face first at the security area in the airport (funny how one guard jumped away from me because I scared the poor bastard when I went down). I know almost nothing about medicine, so I wouldn't pretend to have any idea about what might have gotten you. But however you do it, you definitely need to find a doctor to go to because the next time, you might not have time to get to the doctor.
The "bills" don't go to agencies, bro. That was part of my point, but I will address the rest next...
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I don't know what you mean by "agencies". If you mean like Medicare, Medicaid or whatever, sure they do. Hospital bills go to individuals and agencies (if the person is on Medicare, Medicaid, Medi-Cal, etc.). My mother is on Medicare. She gets a bill and she pays her 20% (unless her supplemental policy covers it) and Medicare gets the same bill and they pay their 80%. If she doesn't pay her portion, the hospital or doctor could send the bill to collections and her credit would get screwed.
Look, I realize that there are people who take advantage of the system too. And I don't like it either. What I'm saying, on the flipside, is that health insurance companies are legalized pieces of shit. A lot of tighty righties like to talk about "fee market solutions" and claimed that there were "death panels" in Obama's health care proposal - which was an out & out lie. What they seem not to realize is that Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Cigna, Wells Fargo and all the rest have had death panels for years. Get cancer (as a woman I used to work with did) and see what happens when you run through your max benefits. See if your family is still covered or what they'll do for you if you develop cancer again. See if any other insurance company will cover you. You're dead. They've already decided that. You just don't know it yet.
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
If your illness gets really gnarly, I'm sure there's a local county hospital in your area that would admit you... just default on the billing process... who cares if they ding your cred rating?
If the illegals have exhausted the county hospital resources in Az. you can always come up to Calif.
its gotten pretty bad. got a little worried but i found one of my secret stashes of natural herbs to help the chest congestion. between that, the gallons of hot tea and water, i think its starting to break up. a litttttle bit at least.
ironically enough, i got fucked with california hospital bills. i had to bail on that. my girl cut her finer washing a knife. 6000 bucks for 4 stitches. no joke. i told em they were crazy. they said go get help at this place, i went, they told me they cant help me because i dont have any kids.
but everyone else i know gets a break. just because im being responsible and not pumping out kids like every fucking other person i see, i get penalized. and here i am, with something semi-life threatening, and i cant get treatment for it? its fucked.
canada, here i come.
oh, and thanks california hospitals for fucking up my credit on a bullshit bill. now i cant even buy a fucking house or get a decent phone.
seriously, that is messed up shit.
Squally,
Are you allergic to penicillin? No?
Good, then find somebody who has an Rx container laying around with surplus content.
I bet that every 5th or 6th resident in this country has some extra amoxicillin sitting on their kitchen window sill.
yeah, someone just told me they had some antibiotics laying around. the problem is, i dont know what kind they are, and i dont fuck with medicine. in fact, i havent taken so much as a pill in quite a few years. well over 5. over 8 even. maybe even 10 years now. certain antibotics that i can get perscribed have plenty of pretty bad side effects, and im not one to jump at that shit until i really really need it but thats my ace in the hole.
but, im not even sure on the type of pneumonia i have, since i cant (afford) get a blood or mucus analysis to determine which. im just gonna have to wait this one out. if one of my lungs takes a shit and collapses, im going to a hospital, im just hoping it wont come to that.
so yeah. im going natural and cheap. i dont care for my own well being much. but my girl, if shes sick, i go all out. which she is too. i just got the secondary infection of pneumonia. im just concentrating on making sure it doesnt happen to her. i actually like that chick.
Terry Sleeper
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You could try a chiropractor.
Last year I had two herniated disks in my lower spine, was kind of like you said I went to sleep with a little soarness but when I woke I was in the worst pain ever. It was 4 in the morning and unbearable pain shooting down my leg, turns out the herniated disks were pushing on my Sciatic nerve and the pain was like hell on earth, my lower back my ass and my leg were almost petrified and the pain ran from my ass behind the leg to the side ankle and felt like someone blasted me with a shotgun multiple times close range! I still can't believe I'm walking today, but with the help of a good chiropractor, laser treatment & plant injections Im like in no pain but 95% better, I still have to do stretches everyday and never again will I do heavy lifting over a couple hundred pounds. One good thing that came out of it was rest & plenty of porn :rubbel:
Germany has a pretty good working model. It is not hands-off capitalism. I believe the government even pays some companies to hold over employees during some downturns.
However, didn't Germany just go through a bit of a cleanup of their expenses as well. I think a focus on long term benefits and pensions were streamlined. To the point that the PM lost his job. That work lost his job, but really helped Germany be the powerhouse in Europe that it is.
At the risk of offending, it also seems that there is a cultural element to it. German companies product top line products that are high in quality and that the rest of the world will pay top dollar for. There products aren't the sexy tech products, but they are auto parts, boilers, machines, etc. Which is why they are able to have higher exports than imports.
I'm very long on German companies.
The cultural element is an important one. There is a will that I'm not sure every country can tolerate. I wonder if the US can learn from Germany.
(Supa, if I'm wrong correct me...I'm going from my memory)
Supafly
Retired Mod
Yes, I think that Otto von Bismarck introduced the health care system to win over the lower classes, not unlike other governments before who played to the masses, like way back in France, when the gentry were gently pushed into accepting to have to pay taxes, too.
Back to that 'powerhouse' compliment... the downside is that the fascinating export success is, to a large degree due to the fact that wages got lowered and lowered and workers rights and contracts watered down that it is ridiculous. The workers in southern european countries are way better off, and now our current chancelor, Angela Merkel has the cheek to press them into paying their workers less, too.
Well, we are heading for chinese working conditions...
Back to that 'powerhouse' compliment... the downside is that the fascinating export success is, to a large degree due to the fact that wages got lowered and lowered and workers rights and contracts watered down that it is ridiculous. The workers in southern european countries are way better off, and now our current chancelor, Angela Merkel has the cheek to press them into paying their workers less, too.
Well, we are heading for chinese working conditions...
(The part in red) I don't know who told you that, Scott, but that is not true. Once a medical bill goes to collections, it most definitely goes against your credit. If it then becomes a judgement, it gets even worse for your credit score. If they then begin placing liens on your property or garnishments on your wages... it gets that much worse. Indigent or not, it doesn't matter unless the hospital decides to write the debt off. And even if they do that, you'll still see several bills before they decide to write it off. If they don't make some effort, they can't write it off and get the tax break. I'm getting ready to write off a debt for a loan I made in 2009. But to get take the loss on my taxes, I have to serve the guy, take him to court and get a judgement. I have to show that I made some effort and it is indeed an uncollectable debt.
When I got into a battle with my insurance company a couple of years ago over a (supposed) pre-existing condition that they claimed I hadn't divulged (I was 5 years old when I last got sick with something similar!!! Can't say that I remember much that happened when I was 5 years old), I got trapped between a crooked insurance company (Wells Fargo) and a quack doctor who wanted his money (I don't know about you, but $50 grand isn't something that I keep in the bedside night stand). The doctor was going to send my bill to collections. He said I should pay it all and then I should fight the insurance company on my time, not his. Fine. I said I'd place a lien on his house for not providing me with adequate medical services. His incompetence had damaged me to the tune of... $50,000. He found out, through his attorney, that I could do that, though it wouldn't be any problem getting it removed... in 3-6 months - just enough time for me to wreck his credit rating.
The American medical system is good & bad. It all comes down to which doctor you go to or which hospital you end up in. I was in a hospital in Mississippi and I felt lucky to get out of there alive. I was in a hospital in Northern VA and I felt like they could have cured me of anything. But insurance companies? I'd pay my last dime to hunt an insurance company executive for sport. I wouldn't want to kill him. So I'd use a small caliber weapon and use dogs to run him down. I'd want to watch him die from fear and exhaustion... not a bullet wound.
As for Ulysses, my Mississippi hospital visit was caused by a disc in my back that shifted and pinched a nerve. That caused severe "spasming" (is that a word?) and that caused swelling... which caused more spasming. It hurt like nothing I've ever experienced. I actually collapsed face first onto a desk while trying to check into the hotel. But it didn't go away - as I was leaving town, I collapsed face first at the security area in the airport (funny how one guard jumped away from me because I scared the poor bastard when I went down). I know almost nothing about medicine, so I wouldn't pretend to have any idea about what might have gotten you. But however you do it, you definitely need to find a doctor to go to because the next time, you might not have time to get to the doctor.
If you're a crack head, brah, it don't really matter. Exhibit one:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/man-robs-bank-medical-care-jail-143625999.html
Like I said, Rey, you are better off dirt poor in the Backwards States of America.
This is why I don't believe in privitising healthcare and agree with the principle of the NHS, as soon as insurance companies get involved they have one simple goal and that is to make money. They will try to get out of paying any claims and will screw you over if they can on a technicality, they'll also avoid insuring people who might be at risk of getting sick or charge them huge premiums, this is when it becomes more about the money than the health of the patient which is unfair as many of us get sick through no fault of our own yet could spend our life savings and more just to get better. My only problems with the NHS that I've already mentioned before is that it lets itself be used by 'foreigners' who contribute nothing to this country and only come here to take as well as spending millions on boob jobs (replacement following cancer is fine) and gastric bands when these are self esteem issues or dietary issues rather than medical emergencies. Also wasting ambulances on people who drink themselves into unconsciousness after a night out is ridiculous, let them get robbed or beaten so next time they don't make the same stupid mistake or charge them for the ambulance trip, I've seen medical programs where the night ambulances pick up drunks (often women) from the streets and the paramedics have to spend hours holding a sick bag from them whilst they puke their guts out
Because the US health system is totally fucked up !
Such a pain and they don't even send you a doctor or even a nurse
Since when? Every time I've needed to call an ambulance I've gotten one. Even for false alarms
Good to hear the pain went away, been dealing with my back for the past month
Sorry i didn't make it clear but the thanks part was for EVERYONE who offered advice and well wishes in this thread inc you, I only quoted O'Malley and Face as they directly asked me questions which I was answering, I just stuck everything in the one postIt's alright, you don't have to thank me.
Killer B
I Like Big Tits! (song by Joe Walsh)
Yes, kidney stones may be your problem. I've had kidney stones twice and the lower back pain was brutal. Both times I checked into the hospital and needed the procedure where they zap the stone too large to pass into smaller pieces. At least once you're in the hospital they'll give you strong pain killers.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Yeah, but I think it's safe to say that the medical care that he's going to get from a prison doctor won't quite match the care that you or I would get from a private practice physician.
I understand your point about those who take advantage of the system. And like I said, I don't like that either. But here's the sad reality: if you get caught in the health insurance/health care system grinder (as a typical middle class American, whether it's the upper or lower part of that category), there's a very good chance that you'll wind up dirt poor. Only if you have the knowledge or experience to strike back in a way that will damage them before they can damage you, will you find a way out. And it shouldn't be that way. When people like Bachmann chirp about "free market solutions", she's either too dumb to know what that actually means, or she knows what it means and she's just a liar. In her case, I really don't know which is more true. I'm not 100% in favor of the reforms that were put into place. But one thing is for certain in my mind: the American health care and insurance systems BADLY needed to be reformed. Allowing insurance companies to randomly deny (legitimate) claims, just so that they can pad their profits, is bullshit. And telling a middle-aged guy that something he had when he was 5 years old is a basis for a pre-existing condition denial? I almost died. So I was at the weakest point in my life. And THAT is when these vultures will try to take advantage of you.
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