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xfire
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If it comes down to Jeb vs Hillary, knowing one of those scumbags will be president is going to leave a lot of us that are typically contrarain asses to each other lumped into some interesting common ground.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Jeb Bush is absolutely right, if you look at what he's actually saying. Clearly, Ted Cruz did not.
I'm not a Jeb Bush fan. But what he's saying is, if more people could find full-time jobs and could work a full 40 hour week, real wages would rise and more people would be entitled to full benefits. Temps and part-timers typically do not earn benefits. What's going on now is that many companies are working the full-time workforce to death, while companies fill capacity/production voids with temps and part-timers. As Bush implied, that would help to bring the workforce participation rate back up from the historical lows it currently stands at. We have a major issue with workforce participation, as well as under employment. More full-time jobs are what more people need.
I'm not a Jeb Bush fan. But what he's saying is, if more people could find full-time jobs and could work a full 40 hour week, real wages would rise and more people would be entitled to full benefits. Temps and part-timers typically do not earn benefits. What's going on now is that many companies are working the full-time workforce to death, while companies fill capacity/production voids with temps and part-timers. As Bush implied, that would help to bring the workforce participation rate back up from the historical lows it currently stands at. We have a major issue with workforce participation, as well as under employment. More full-time jobs are what more people need.
He would do NOTHING because it benefits big business as it stands, which is the bread and butter of the republican party candidate donors. Not gonna piss them off. I guarantee that every one of the candidates at some point have privately reassured big business that they aren't REALLY going to touch illegal immigration, but are just using it to pacify the white voters who can't sleep knowing there are mexicans in their country.
Is it me or is Jeb Bush one feminine dude? He's slouchy like an old lady and so meek looking. wtf happened to the guy?
Is it me or is Jeb Bush one feminine dude? He's slouchy like an old lady and so meek looking. wtf happened to the guy?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The situation now actually doesn't benefit big or small businesses, because ALL businesses (that aren't just hiring unskilled labor) are having a hard time filling open positions. The sad thing is, there are plenty of open positions in the U.S. right now, but not plenty of people who are capable of filling those positions. And corporate profits are beginning to suffer because the economy refuses to take off, while input costs (including labor) are beginning to creep up. The economy, as Bush correctly pointed out, is still just sputtering along. And I give the Fed most of the credit for what little growth we've seen since the Great Recession. IMO, most of the growth has been the result of monetary action, which can only do so much - and the gun is pretty much empty now. The two major parties have traded barbs in a war of words and done almost nothing with respect to fiscal policy.
The U.S. had 5.4 million job openings in April. The total was the highest since the department began conducting the so-called Jolts survey in 2000.
As I've said several times before, I'm no fan of Jeb Bush. But someone (since Obama and the current crop of Dems and Repubs in the House and Senate haven't done squat) needs to take rational steps to rebuild our educational system and job training methods. Importing more, cheaper, foreign workers, by way of H-1B visas (as many of the limousine liberals at tech companies want to do, and Obama has agreed with), is not the right answer to (re)growing America's middle class. Obama (I guess encouraged by his pals Markie Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg, plus the Google kids) even took it one step further and made H-1B visas portable, so that these workers could move from company to company. Good for them. Bad for American tech workers. I read something that Bernie Sanders said about education, and I was impressed that at least he has an idea. All Obama has had so far are pretty words. And I don't know what plans for reforming education the various Republicans have, other than taking on the NEA (which isn't a bad start, to be honest - but that's only a piece of the puzzle).
According to a factsheet issued by the White House, the President will act to provide portable work authorization for high-skilled workers waiting their Legal Permanent Residency (LPR, also called green cards), including to their spouses. Under the current system, employees with approved LPR applications are often in limbo while waiting for the process, which can take several years, to conclude, unable to switch jobs or cities or even marry.
The factsheet says the Department of Homeland Security will make regulatory changes to allow these workers, usually on H-1B visas, to move or change jobs more easily. DHS, it said, is also finalizing new rules to give certain H-1B spouses employment authorization as long as the H-1B spouse also has an approved LPR application. Tens of thousands of Indian H1-B workers and their spouses are expected to benefit from this.
What's the unemployment rate again? What's the U.S. workforce participation rate again?
Fuckin' eh!
The U.S. had 5.4 million job openings in April. The total was the highest since the department began conducting the so-called Jolts survey in 2000.
As I've said several times before, I'm no fan of Jeb Bush. But someone (since Obama and the current crop of Dems and Repubs in the House and Senate haven't done squat) needs to take rational steps to rebuild our educational system and job training methods. Importing more, cheaper, foreign workers, by way of H-1B visas (as many of the limousine liberals at tech companies want to do, and Obama has agreed with), is not the right answer to (re)growing America's middle class. Obama (I guess encouraged by his pals Markie Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg, plus the Google kids) even took it one step further and made H-1B visas portable, so that these workers could move from company to company. Good for them. Bad for American tech workers. I read something that Bernie Sanders said about education, and I was impressed that at least he has an idea. All Obama has had so far are pretty words. And I don't know what plans for reforming education the various Republicans have, other than taking on the NEA (which isn't a bad start, to be honest - but that's only a piece of the puzzle).
According to a factsheet issued by the White House, the President will act to provide portable work authorization for high-skilled workers waiting their Legal Permanent Residency (LPR, also called green cards), including to their spouses. Under the current system, employees with approved LPR applications are often in limbo while waiting for the process, which can take several years, to conclude, unable to switch jobs or cities or even marry.
The factsheet says the Department of Homeland Security will make regulatory changes to allow these workers, usually on H-1B visas, to move or change jobs more easily. DHS, it said, is also finalizing new rules to give certain H-1B spouses employment authorization as long as the H-1B spouse also has an approved LPR application. Tens of thousands of Indian H1-B workers and their spouses are expected to benefit from this.
What's the unemployment rate again? What's the U.S. workforce participation rate again?
Fuckin' eh!
xfire
New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I find that to be so much horseshit on the part of the companies deeming people "unfit for the position", because there are always people that might not have the exact education or experience a company is looking for but are still capable and qualified candidates that just need some cross-training, there are always capable people within any given company whose skill sets aren't being fully utilized, people that are more than capable of picking up the skills OJT, and there's always the option of interning and apprenticing. I've worked a lot of jobs over the years and it's always the ass kissers and suck ups that get the opportunities, not the most qualified candidates, that shit happens everywhere and they actively look for reasons to "disqualify" people that don't know, people they don't like, or people that they are afraid will leapfrog over them. What I've seen and know it's always horseshit excuses and not valid reasons when a vacancy isn't filled by a "qualified" candidate.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Think about it. Companies want to hire people that can hit the ground running, for the most part. They prefer not to hire people (especially for higher skilled positions) that need remedial math courses or can't understand the basic concepts and requirements of the job. So while they might *become* qualified at some future date, they're not qualified when they sit down for the interview. And that's what 6 in 10 companies are reporting. My company starts out at around $42K a year for entry level CNC operators and about $50K for drafters. For this area, that is very good money. But many of the applicants we've gotten are kids with two year machine tech or drafting degrees that act like they just fell out of the womb yesterday. So we just try to pick the best weak kitten out of the litter and hope that they'll get better over time with training. We have no choice; we need people right now and there's no way to outsource onsite labor. But what is going to happen next year (from what I understand) is they're going to chop the starting pay for new hires, since so much time has to be spent with remedial training that shouldn't be necessary. I compare these giant talking babies with some of the older workers who have high school degrees (from a time before there was any such thing as "new math" and "time outs" in school) who can do higher level math and trigonometry. Something amazing (and not in a good way) has happened to our workforce. Younger kids, at least in higher skilled fields, simply have not kept up or are not where they should be vs. where new applicants were ten or twenty years ago. I won't even go into the sickening entitlement mentality and poor work ethic that I see many of them demonstrating.
As an aside, every company I've worked for over the past twenty plus years (except for one) has offered tuition assistance to anyone who makes it past their probationary period. Off the top of my head, I can't think of more than a few people who have taken advantage of that. At one company, more than a few did (that was almost twenty years ago though). But oddly enough, it was usually people who already had some form of higher education or trade experience. Why? I don't know.
But in the tech industry, their solution isn't to beg people to apply or create elaborate training programs. Their solution (and Obama's and more than a few Repubs too) is to just import more foreign workers, who don't need to be shown how to draw a straight line in AutoCAD or how to copy & paste in Excel (yes, one young fellow actually asked me how to do that a couple of years ago).
As an aside, every company I've worked for over the past twenty plus years (except for one) has offered tuition assistance to anyone who makes it past their probationary period. Off the top of my head, I can't think of more than a few people who have taken advantage of that. At one company, more than a few did (that was almost twenty years ago though). But oddly enough, it was usually people who already had some form of higher education or trade experience. Why? I don't know.
But in the tech industry, their solution isn't to beg people to apply or create elaborate training programs. Their solution (and Obama's and more than a few Repubs too) is to just import more foreign workers, who don't need to be shown how to draw a straight line in AutoCAD or how to copy & paste in Excel (yes, one young fellow actually asked me how to do that a couple of years ago).
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XFire has a point though. Not everything is education's fault or a lack of knowledge from the people you want to hire. Take IT for example. Someone who's into webdesign might have learned Dreamweaver and Photshop in school but when he goes apply for a job he soon'll notice companies use Drupal, Wordpress, Expression Studio, Indesign, AceHTML, Weeble, GIMP... there are hundreds of software possibilities. It's impossible to take courses to learn all of them, let alone to maintain that knowledge. When I ask companies why they won't invest in people and educate them they tell me "we're afraid they'll run off to the competition". Now that's a lousy excuse don't you think?
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On top of that schools can't follow the current trends since it evolves quickly. Let's say software X is now mostly used in companies and schools might integrate it in their education program. In 3 or 4 years (when the student finishes his education) everything might have changed. So I think companies have a responsability as well to give people some slack and educate them as well since it's very unlikely to graduate and be conform all standards in a rapidly changing tech industry.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I don't disagree with X's point. And a lot of it depends on the type of company and the size of the operation. I was just trying to get some stats on what percentage of Fortune 500 companies offer tuition assistance. I didn't see the stat. But just given past experience, I'd say it's the overwhelming majority. Course, you have to already be in the door to take advantage of that perk. To get in the door, apart from internships and externships (which a great many companies offer), depending on the position, most companies do offer some degree of on the job training. But the faster they need someone to hit the ground running, the higher the technical skill that's needed and the more specialized the job is (maybe like the software packages you mentioned), the less likely they're going to want to take a chance on someone who doesn't already have what they're looking for. If I go rogue in a couple of years and open a custom machine/R&D shop, I'll have Haas CNC equipment and I'll use FeatureCAM. If some fresh-out-of-school kid, who took MasterCAM in college and knows a little about a Fanuc control, shows up for an interview, I can't hire him. I'll be a four or five man shop and everyone will have to know how to load and shoot from Day 1. Some big production shop might hire that person though, depending on what their skill deficit is. The same as someone wanting to be a drafter or an entry level automotive engineer, but doesn't know that 1/4 is .250 or 1/8 is .125 (yeah, seen that too), that person might be a wonderful human being, but he won't get the job. So there are minor deficits (which companies often do work around) and then there are major ones, which might require some sort of remedial education (and most companies don't care to get into that situation, unless they absolutely have to). But if some CNC Master Machinist/"silver-back" shows up, with 20 years on Fanucs, can rattle speeds & feeds off the top of his head and knows MasterCAM... he likely has enough experience in the industry to make up for that software deficit. I'd probably snap him up and offer to send him out for a FeatureCAM course. So, it all just depends... I'm not making a blanket statement on why that entire 5.4 million job opening number exists, while the unemployment rate is still as high as it is. Although what I've been saying about the lack of American students pursuing STEM education is a major, major problem. It just is. And we're already seeing what the tech titans (and the political elite, including Obama) are doing to address it. If the American kid can't cut it, they'll just go on to Vishnu from Mumbai.
But let's go back to the stat that I initially mentioned: roughly 60% of companies say that they are having difficulty in finding qualified candidates (it didn't say they were refusing to hire anyone until Mr. Perfect showed up) and the number of job openings is at an all time high. What's going on? One thing I'd guess, once the Great Recession passed, I'd say that most/many of the people with the high skills that were in demand, found jobs. So maybe some of the people looking for work now have great skills, but maybe just not the ones that are in demand. And while I can't tell you what area has the most opportunities in those 5.4 million openings, or what the salaries are, at the end of the day, you're being a salesman for yourself when you go for that interview. It's on me to make sure that I have whatever qualifications that company is asking for. The onus is on the candidate, not the company. Whether that's fair or not, and whether there are times when favoritism or something else comes into play or not, doesn't matter. My contract will be up in a little over six months. Am I worried? Nope. Why? Because if I don't get a new contract with these asshats (who basically just drove a clown-car into a goldmine), I'm fully qualified and prepared to go to one of their competitors, or maybe even switch industries again. But I'm an old head who is getting into wind-down mode. What about youngsters at the entry level point? I fully agree that more companies *should* have better apprenticeship and training programs. I've said that several times on this board. That's one thing that Germany does and it's a big reason why they're such ass kickers when it comes to advanced manufacturing - same with Japan. But here in the U.S., are you willing to go without a job while discussing what Company X or Y should have done to help you?
But let's go back to the stat that I initially mentioned: roughly 60% of companies say that they are having difficulty in finding qualified candidates (it didn't say they were refusing to hire anyone until Mr. Perfect showed up) and the number of job openings is at an all time high. What's going on? One thing I'd guess, once the Great Recession passed, I'd say that most/many of the people with the high skills that were in demand, found jobs. So maybe some of the people looking for work now have great skills, but maybe just not the ones that are in demand. And while I can't tell you what area has the most opportunities in those 5.4 million openings, or what the salaries are, at the end of the day, you're being a salesman for yourself when you go for that interview. It's on me to make sure that I have whatever qualifications that company is asking for. The onus is on the candidate, not the company. Whether that's fair or not, and whether there are times when favoritism or something else comes into play or not, doesn't matter. My contract will be up in a little over six months. Am I worried? Nope. Why? Because if I don't get a new contract with these asshats (who basically just drove a clown-car into a goldmine), I'm fully qualified and prepared to go to one of their competitors, or maybe even switch industries again. But I'm an old head who is getting into wind-down mode. What about youngsters at the entry level point? I fully agree that more companies *should* have better apprenticeship and training programs. I've said that several times on this board. That's one thing that Germany does and it's a big reason why they're such ass kickers when it comes to advanced manufacturing - same with Japan. But here in the U.S., are you willing to go without a job while discussing what Company X or Y should have done to help you?
One of our (The US) biggest issues is that young people don't want to go to tech schools to learn a trade. That's not glamorous enough. In the new age of bling doing a/c work or whatever is embarrassing. These jobs are unfilled because its a bitch to get kids to accept that they aren't all going to be Bill Gates or Mark Cuban, which they think they will be for some fucked up reason. Until we give incentives for trade schools these jobs will sit unfilled.
I think that might be a bit less accurate than you think. A lot of kids would probably be fine with doing a trade, but get a lot of external pressure to get a 4 year degree, so they go and do a bullshit degree that winds up being worth less. When you graduate high school there's a lot of pushing towards 4 year schools, and sadly, nobody that age knows any better, so they just trust the people they've always trusted and go that route.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
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For some, working longer hours is working an entire hour.
xfire
New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
You highlight an important collateral problem, that of the education of American youth. Instead of teaching children how to take tests perhaps we should be arming them with higher order math skills, critical thinking, independent analysis, and logic. High school was a fucking joke, I wasn't prepared for college the first time I enrolled. After some real world experience, including working in a machine shop with a number of Mazak machine tools ironically enough, I was fortunate to learn important skills on the job, take some company sponsored machine shop classes at the local community college, and eventually go on to matriculate from another local University. High school was a wasteland, the teachers favored the naturally gifted students, which I could have been one of if I had better parenting at home, and the rest of the typical high school cliques were pretty much hung out to dry. There's no easy answer to a problem with multiple facets, BUT, corporations aren't seeking ANY solutions to the underlying rot, the only reason I got the opportunity in the machine shop was because my dad had been working in another department of the company since '68, and I make no delusions that it's the only reason I was given a chance.
That dirty jobs guy has a new show on CNN and he did one episode of his show on the unfilled tech jobs situation in the US. it was amazing to hear all of these young people say "I don't want to do that" about blue collar jobs that were once good enough for most people. Now they seen as "not cool" and all of these pople see tech and trade schools as not even an option. It was eye-opening to say the least.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I agree with many of the points in the posts above, especially Mongo and X's comments about the failing education system here in the U.S. And I agree with Mariah's comments about "cool" jobs. In this current narcissistic, image laden, "Kardasians are kewl" environment, I agree that too many kids are "trained" to (only) reach for the professions that are considered cool. But let's ask our friend The White Devil, what can long haul truck drivers make? Let's ask someone else what experienced, certified auto techs can make. And I personally know machinists that make high five figure salaries. And if they can get into a NASCAR team's shop as a machinist or fabricator, they can make well into six figures, including bonuses. That's just scratching the surface. But as Xfire said, if your high school guidance counselor is a lazy goof, and only sings the song about going to a 4 year college, [NOBABE]the kid[/NOBABE] wouldn't even know that these jobs exist. Is DECA still around? Distributive education, where kids work part of the day while still in high school? I wanted to do that in high school, but my parents wouldn't let me. It would have done me a lot of good. I could have gotten some real world experience. I might have taken the same path that I did, but I wouldn't have been nearly as naive.
And almost like clockwork, there was an announcement today about an initiative led by Starbucks to educate, train, mentor and hire 100,000 "disconnected" younger workers by 2018. I haven't read everything about it yet, but it sounds like a good first step. Since we are under the thumb of a failed government right now (and probably will be, no matter who wins the next election for POTUS), it's good to see that somebody is doing something. Something besides wanting to ship more foreign workers in here to take the higher paying, high skilled jobs. And since there will continue to be a demand for advanced manufactured products (from 3-D printing to advanced CNC and robotics), the jobs won't go unfilled forever. Companies will react to labor shortages the same way they react to wage overages: outsource to other locations around the globe. The ones that can will do that. The smaller ones that can't, they'll just shut the doors. If you can't make your product and meet demand, what other option do you have? What more companies should do is make a bigger effort to get in front of the issue now. And more young people need to open their eyes. They have greater access to information than any previous generation in the history of the world.
A number of leading U.S.-based companies have joined together to hire 100,000 teens and young adults who face barriers to jobs and education. The program is being called the "100,000 Opportunities Initiative" and has set a goal of making the new hires by 2018.
Companies involved in the program, aimed at those from 16 to 24 years old, include Starbucks, Walmart, Target, JCPenney, Macy's, JPMorgan Chase and Hilton, according to a joint statement.
The initiative will provide "opportunity youth" with access to apprenticeships, internships, and training programs, as well as part-time and full-time jobs.
And almost like clockwork, there was an announcement today about an initiative led by Starbucks to educate, train, mentor and hire 100,000 "disconnected" younger workers by 2018. I haven't read everything about it yet, but it sounds like a good first step. Since we are under the thumb of a failed government right now (and probably will be, no matter who wins the next election for POTUS), it's good to see that somebody is doing something. Something besides wanting to ship more foreign workers in here to take the higher paying, high skilled jobs. And since there will continue to be a demand for advanced manufactured products (from 3-D printing to advanced CNC and robotics), the jobs won't go unfilled forever. Companies will react to labor shortages the same way they react to wage overages: outsource to other locations around the globe. The ones that can will do that. The smaller ones that can't, they'll just shut the doors. If you can't make your product and meet demand, what other option do you have? What more companies should do is make a bigger effort to get in front of the issue now. And more young people need to open their eyes. They have greater access to information than any previous generation in the history of the world.
A number of leading U.S.-based companies have joined together to hire 100,000 teens and young adults who face barriers to jobs and education. The program is being called the "100,000 Opportunities Initiative" and has set a goal of making the new hires by 2018.
Companies involved in the program, aimed at those from 16 to 24 years old, include Starbucks, Walmart, Target, JCPenney, Macy's, JPMorgan Chase and Hilton, according to a joint statement.
The initiative will provide "opportunity youth" with access to apprenticeships, internships, and training programs, as well as part-time and full-time jobs.
A couple of thoughts....
The number of people who wish to have full employment, but only have 30 hours or under a week to work do in fact need to work longer hours. I see no problem with that thought.
However, I'll make some assumptions. I'll assume that most of the degenerates reading (and typing) this are fully employed. You perverts do need to work longer hours. That would keep you away from spanking it so much.
The number of people who wish to have full employment, but only have 30 hours or under a week to work do in fact need to work longer hours. I see no problem with that thought.
However, I'll make some assumptions. I'll assume that most of the degenerates reading (and typing) this are fully employed. You perverts do need to work longer hours. That would keep you away from spanking it so much.
Supafly
Retired Mod
Dont make assumptions
I for one are retired - but what led to that was leading a life where I worked fulltime and tried to pry in a maximum of energy and time for my second job, which was an honorary one at the same company. What's ironic is that this second job was caring for workers and customers with handicaps, which led to ME being severly handicapped. Long story.
By the way, I really love your signature!
Dont make assumptions
I for one are retired - but what led to that was leading a life where I worked fulltime and tried to pry in a maximum of energy and time for my second job, which was an honorary one at the same company. What's ironic is that this second job was caring for workers and customers with handicaps, which led to ME being severly handicapped. Long story.
By the way, I really love your signature!
Ok...assumptions go as the do...So re: employment - I sit corrected. Also, you sound like a very noble guy.
Re: Degenerate classification - well that still stands
