Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarded ??

[Facial_King]

As I said before, his premeditated murder was an act of terrorism, specifically designed to send a message to other abortion doctors (and his pro-choice supporters generally) that they will meet a similar fate unless they cease and desist in engaging in legally sanctioned activities.

So, now that he's said this:

"I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal."

my question is, how do we deal with this ticking time bomb scenario??? We might actually be talking about bombs, possibly on an OKCity scale. But the numbers don't really matter for terrorism to be terrorism (consider the recent case of the Muslim fanatic who shot 2 military recruiters and killed 1 - still a terrorist act) In any case, how can we get him to talk, to tell us when and where the next attack might be??? Should he be waterboarded until he tells us what we want to...umm...until he tells us all that he knows?

(Just an FYI to any denser-headed readers - I'm NOT suggesting that Roeder should be waterboarded. I would actually object to that. I don't think he should be.)

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/tiller-killer-violence/

http://www.hanlonsrazor.org/2009/06/07/anti-abortion-terrorist-warns-of-other-killings/

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Your thoughts?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Nope, just put him on trial, and then send him to the roughest prison in the country, wearing nothing but knee pads, and assless chaps.

 

[the_searcher]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

My cat is actually sleeping at the foot of my bed right now and snoring softly. It's really cute! :1orglaugh

 

[the_searcher]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Oops sorry wrong thread :-(

 

[Dean Wormer]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Yeah, why not. Roeder's a nutjob anyway so it could be entertaining. Plus he deserves it.

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

No. Torture is illegal. Besides, he's already bitching and whining about being too cold in jail.:1orglaugh

 

[Facial_King]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Yeah, why not. Roeder's a nutjob anyway so it could be entertaining. Plus he deserves it.

Perfect example of what waterboarding is really all about (rather than getting useful information to protect people).

He finds it "entertaining" - sadism defined.

He "deserves it" - waterboarding as extrajudicial punishment.

 

[sproing99]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

No, waterboarding is torture. Torture produces unreliable testimony.

 

[BlueBalls]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Of course not, just lock the moron up for the rest of his life.

I sincerely doubt a man who could bring himself to kill another human being whilst professing to be Pro-Life would have the mental capacity to keep such information within his underdeveloped brain.

To waterboard him would just be like poking a person with mental retardation with a stick for hours and hours and hours. Yes, the people performing the waterboarding and those who ordered it might enjoy it, but all your going to get is suffering and no information.

So no :hatsoff:

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Of course not, just lock the moron up for the rest of his life.

I sincerely doubt a man who could bring himself to kill another human being whilst professing to be Pro-Life would have the mental capacity to keep such information within his underdeveloped brain.

To waterboard him would just be like poking a person with mental retardation with a stick for hours and hours and hours. Yes, the people performing the waterboarding and those who ordered it might enjoy it, but all your going to get is suffering and no information.

So no :hatsoff:

Premeditated murder under aggravated circumstances in the victim's church....he deserves no less than a needle in the arm or a wet ride on old sparky IMO.

 

[BlueBalls]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Premeditated murder under aggravated circumstances in the victim's church....he deserves no less than a needle in the arm or a wet ride on old sparky IMO.

We have a differing opinion on the death penalty. I see it as an easy way out. He's not going to care about the person he's shot once he's dead ... because he'll be dead (obviously). I see it as far more of a punishment to lock him in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day for the ret of his life.

But if he's tried in a state that still has the death penalty I'm sure thats what he'll get.

 

[Shindekudasai]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

No! No waterboarding! America, where is your tradition? I'd say he should be hung by the neck or better yet ride the lightning. The true American way.

 

[smutluver]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Read up on whats involved in late term abortion...as Tiller chose to specialise in, who was the biggest murderer.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

This is a controversial subject, no one is going to agree on anything. Personally, I say send him to trial and let the justice system take its course. Whether he gets the death penalty or rots in jail for the rest of his life doesn't matter to me. Let that be an example to anyone else that wants to kill another human being under the guise of pro-life activism. Murdering and bombing aren't going to overturn Roe v. Wade. That's not the way you change laws in this country.

 

[sproing99]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Read up on whats involved in late term abortion...as Tiller chose to specialise in, who was the biggest murderer.

Scott Roeder.

Murder is the illegal killing of someone.

Late term abortion is legal. It's argueable whether the foetus is a someone.

 

[smutluver]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Scott Roeder.

It's argueable whether the foetus is a someone.

Its an argument that is wrong, especially when your talking about late term terminations, which Dr Tiller almost exclusively performed.
Calling them foetuses instead of babies does not stop them being a someone.

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

We have a differing opinion on the death penalty. I see it as an easy way out. He's not going to care about the person he's shot once he's dead ... because he'll be dead (obviously). I see it as far more of a punishment to lock him in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day for the ret of his life.

But if he's tried in a state that still has the death penalty I'm sure thats what he'll get.

Well, my opinion on the death penalty is some crimes deserve the ultimate sanction, forfeiture of one's life. What we assume is the harsher punishment or it's deterrent value on others, what the victims' families think, etc. are not factors in my calculation.

For some crimes it is the only just punishment IMO.

When you take it upon yourself to stalk, harass and ultimately hunt a person down in their church...you deserve the death penalty IMO.

 

[sproing99]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Its an argument that is wrong, especially when your talking about late term terminations, which Dr Tiller almost exclusively performed.
Calling them foetuses instead of babies does not stop them being a someone.

Until birth, it's a foetus. After birth it's a child.

If it's legal to teminate the pregnancy then Dr. Tiller did not commit murder.

It was legal, Dr Tiller did not commit murder.

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

Its an argument that is wrong, especially when your talking about late term terminations, which Dr Tiller almost exclusively performed.
Calling them foetuses instead of babies does not stop them being a someone.

I suppose we could simply focus on pictures of aborted fetuses for dramatic effect. But I feel that is a one dimensional approach... it omits the context of some of them...

Here are two different approaches by two different families. In my mind neither are wrong and both should have the right to make the decisions they painstakingly arrived at;

"A mother says no to abortion"
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2009/06/03/ac.elder.no.abortion.cnn?iref=videosearch

"Husband describes abortion"
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2009/06/03/rowlands.tiller.patient.cnn?iref=videosearch

 

[Dean Wormer]

Re: Should Scott Roeder (the guy who shot Tiller, the abortion doctor) Be Waterboarde

"It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven". - Kramer

"It's a pizza once you start kneading the dough". - Poppie