Sasha Grey visits elementary school to do story time with first graders

[Spreeuw]

Gee... People who think this is wrong sure have a lack of imagination... meesterperfect and others, Imagine yourself as one of those kids. A nice lady comes to your school and reads you a book you like. You listen to the awesome story, you make pictures in your mind while you're listening. When the story is over, the nice lady leaves and boring normal class resumes. The next thing you worry about is if your friends will have time to play with you after school.
That's it.
Nobody is nothing but a representative of their profession, and especially not of their previous professions.
Remember Kant, because everyone has the will and ability to formulate and strive for their personal good, everyone deserves our equal respect for this. Sasha Grey obviously signed up for this because this was the right thing to do. And it is a right thing from the conventional moral standpoint. So... basicly there is nothing to whine about...

 

[meesterperfect]

Gee... People who think this is wrong sure have a lack of imagination... meesterperfect and others, Imagine yourself as one of those kids. A nice lady comes to your school and reads you a book you like. You listen to the awesome story, you make pictures in your mind while you're listening. When the story is over, the nice lady leaves and boring normal class resumes. The next thing you worry about is if your friends will have time to play with you after school.
That's it.
Nobody is nothing but a representative of their profession, and especially not of their previous professions.
Remember Kant, because everyone has the will and ability to formulate and strive for their personal good, everyone deserves our equal respect for this. Sasha Grey obviously signed up for this because this was the right thing to do. And it is a right thing from the conventional moral standpoint. So... basicly there is nothing to whine about...

Well said.
I just disagree.
She is a famous pornstar.
There's no getting around that, it's a fact.
The people in the school knew this, that's why they invited her, let's not bullshit around that fact.
So regardless of what her intentions were(I believe a cheap publicity stunt using little kids to create controversy and put her name in the news, hence more future $$$ for her and her agent) inviting a very famous pornstar, not to mention one of the most hardcore ones at that into a class to meet the kids is mixing porn and kids.....and I think that is not only unnecessary but wrong.

And that's not whining. I'm just saying it ain't right.
I could just as easily say that you guys are whining that it's no big deal.

 

[ragincaucasian]

 

[Jack Davenport]

She wouldn't have been on The View or received all this press had she not done this. It was all about promoting herself and less about participating in the story time with the children. She knew exactly what she was doing. Had the parents been notified beforehand as she suggested, this would have been less of a big deal or probably never happened.

 

[Spreeuw]

I wonder what the school has to win with this...
As I see it there are a few options:

A) They didn't know Sasha Grey was a pornstar
B) They knew and decided in favor of it.

A) is extremely unlikely since there must've been contact between the school management and her agent and whatnot.
So it's B). Reasoning on, there must've been a meeting in some shape or form where the decision was made. If they just looked at it from the children's perspective, there wouldn't be this problem. But ofcourse they didn't do just that, they're also a business so they have to think about consequences rather then principles. If I try to put myself into their shoes I see the following groups which must be dealt with:

a) Parents of childeren attending the school
b) Potential parents of childeren attending that school
c) media

Knowing the endresult, the task at hand is trying to come up with a way to reach that endresult. This way we will understand the school management better. Because of the heavy overlap of the three groups, they couldn't let one down in favor of the other without spoiling their net rep with all three. So my guess is that in their view the positive rep gained outweighted the negative rep gained. Let's see if we can find out what their reasoning might have looked like...

a) I'm assuming here that there is a subgroup of parents with more conservative views, who would disapprove of this, on the one hand and on the other more liberal parents who would agree with this in principle. It's obvious that they favored the latter group. Perhaps they thought this would be the way to present themselves as either unprejudiced (and implicitly approve of porn as a equally respectful profession) or as believing in the personal growth of human beings (for the parents who didn't respect pornstars but do respect the fact that Sasha Grey now joined the light side again). Obviously they didn't explicitly go for either of these two arguments, because saying nothing about it catches both groups of parents.
Considering they favored the more liberal parents, my guess is that the number of liberal parents of childeren attending the school outnumbered the number of more conservative parents of childeren attending the school. (At least in the minds of the management).

b) Argument is the same as a)with the difference that now they had the attract new customers. But the reasons for keeping your child at the school are, in my opinion, not very different from the reasons for letting your kids attend this school. In this situation that is.

c)This suprises me. As a european my view on american media isn't that clear, but from what I understand FOX is the most watched channel. It's also known (at least over here) for it's conservatism. If anyone is willing to help me understand this situation, perhaps you could think of some reasons for their expectations about their media image?

Ofcourse there is one huge flaw in my argument, and that is that I've read in the article posted by TC that the school actually denied having Sasha Grey as a visitor. If this is true it really makes the case more complicated. Either way there are factions within the management, or decision protocols were overruled or something like that.

Sorry for the wall of text, I hope we will come to a better understanding of this entire situation instead of just repeating the same arguments.

 

[meesterperfect]

Let me translate that to reality.
Some Jew agent offered somebody at the school a wad of cash to sneak this in without anybody but the agents media buddies knowing.
that same somebody had a good jerkoff session thinking about how he showed a porn chick to a bunch of six year olds and made a few bucks for it.
Now Grey and her agent have more money and publicity , just like they planned.
Yip-EEE

 

[Jack Davenport]

Let me translate that to reality.
Some Jew agent offered somebody at the school a wad of cash to sneak this in.
that same somebody had a good jerkoff session thinking about how he showed a porn chick to a bunch of six year olds and made a few bucks for it.
Now Grey and her agent have more money and publicity , just like they planned.
Yip-EEE

Dude you lived in Medellin too long. You got too used to being able to say "Jew" freely without insulting anyone. But you are back in Jersey now... remember? :1orglaugh

 

[Spreeuw]

Bribery isn't out of the question. But it seems a little far fetched. If the sole reason for this was a short term gain in wealth, the risk of the long term costs outweighing the benefits is far to great. Considering it's a school for small childeren, it's prolly a small to medium sized school.
Either way the person bribed was doing it in secret, or not. In the first case, the risk would be super high because of the relative size of the school. It's possible the entire management thought just about money. But still they had to believe that their gain in money had to outweigh the costs of this HUGE media circus.
So somewhere down the road, they still must've made the reasonings I'm trying to uncover.

 

[cindy CD/TV]

Just because you have hopes and dreams and all that other mushy disillusioned stuff going on, does not mean you are a suitable person to be associated with children. I think you are missing that point. Based on what you have done, currently do, and what you give indication will do determines who is appropriate for child interaction. What a crock of utter bullshit. Kate Winslet has engaged in fully nude, very explicit faux sex scenes in many of her movies. And yet she's a mom. Go figure.

If I'm not mistaken, you are TS/TV. If so, you represent that lifestyle. I am indeed, and you are still very, VERY mistaken.
Sasha Grey is a pornographic actress and represents that lifestyle.
She is famous from porn and is a guest because of her fame.
This is why we are even having this discussion and why cameras and media were present.


Don't give me crap about persona, because the root of that word is PERSON... meaning you. It's real easy to take things you may not like about yourself or experiences you were a part of and dismiss them and say 'that's a persona!' No, THAT'S YOU!!! That's not Sasha Grey's persona doing sexual acts on film, that is her. Yeah, it is. That why she uses a stage name, for one. Call it what you want, but just because Icewater Jones is my persona, doesn't mean I am not representing my lifestyle, thoughts, ideas, and experiences through what I type here. This is me. Yeah, and I do feel quite bad for you ... Names and persona aside. I am, in large part, what I consistently do. I can't go out and do something, and then not claim responsibility on the grounds of I was using a persona when I did it!!!!

Fact is: nobody here is willing to draw a line. Everyone wants to be uber-politically correct until shit goes down... then they want to be all hindsight common sense about it all. This entire situation has no common sense about it. Let's not pretend that porn is just some everyday occupation. It is not. It, by it's very nature, is not even legally accessible by minors to start with. They weren't accessing porn! Hello! Knowing that, why would anyone bring somebody who is FAMOUS and made her name with this as a special guest to those who cannot, by law and principle, be associated with her lifestyle and occupation??? Because she was NOT bringing her lifestyle and occupation into the classroom with her. You're quite dim-witted, aren't you? What sense does this make??? Why would anyone want their child exposed to someone that does, and is famous for doing, the very same thing you would never want your child doing??? Such presumption. I would support my child's choices without condition. How's that for being "uber-politically correct?"

So, you're saying that people like me and Sasha Grey represent "that lifestyle?" We do? OK, let's work through your "reasoning" -- Sasha Grey is a porn star who, in your view, is a perverted, drugged-out, emotionally damaged, misguided immoral young woman. I assume that's the "lifestyle" you're referring to. Yes, she CHOOSES to be a porn star. But is she Sasha Grey the porn star while visiting her family at Xmas time? I highly doubt it. According to you, I am the same as Sasha and have embraced the same "lifestyle" choices, so therefore I can't be around kids, too? You're hopeless.

Well, I'm not a porn star, obviously. Christ, I don't even get naked in front of a camera. Are you trying to say that porn stars and transexuals are all the same: sex-crazed pervs who do nothing but fuck day and night, do drugs and spread diseases? You know nothing about transgenderism. That much is clear. Transgenderism isn't a fucking lifestyle choice. That's like saying being heterosexual is a lifestyle choice. Or that being white or Asian or black is a choice. :nono: It's just what you are. I don't dress and live as a woman and prepare for gender reassignment because it's a lifesyle. Getting a nose ring or getting covered it tattoos, saving the whales or only wearing clothes from the Salvation Army are all lifestyle choices. Being a woman inside a man's body was nothing I chose. It is simply WHO I AM and how I was born.

(God, I've had this very argument with someone else who is as equally ignorant as you. :hairpull

 

[Ovidius]

So, you're saying that people like me and Sasha Grey represent "that lifestyle?" We do? OK, let's work through your "reasoning" -- Sasha Grey is a porn star who, in your view, is a perverted, drugged-out, emotionally damaged, misguided immoral young woman. I assume that's the "lifestyle" you're referring to. Yes, she CHOOSES to be a porn star. But is she Sasha Grey the porn star while visiting her family at Xmas time? I highly doubt it. According to you, I am the same as Sasha and have embraced the same "lifestyle" choices, so therefore I can't be around kids, too? You're hopeless.

:thumbsup: :clap:

By Jove, I wish that they could do something worthwhile in social studies or whatever it's called over there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona

In the study of communication, persona is a term given to describe the versions of self that all individuals possess. Behaviours are selected according to the desired impression an individual wishes to create when interacting with other people. A person may inhabit various social roles through intentional or unintentional expression of behaviors and appearances that convey meanings maintaining these roles during social interactions.[1] Therefore, the persona one presents to other people varies according to the social environment the person is engaged in, in particular the persona presented before others will differ from the persona an individual will present when he/she happens to be alone.

If someone does not understand that, there is a shovel waiting for them in a barn somewhere.

Since I, obviously, do not have any experience of being a porn girl this is only an assumption on my side, by I would guess that porn girls base the personae they present to the public on what they have seen and experienced of porn.

 

[Icewater Jones]

Again, for the most part, you are what you consistently do. Persona or not. A persona cannot make for a different plane of existence. As stated:

Therefore, the persona one presents to other people varies according to the social environment the person is engaged in, in particular the persona presented before others will differ from the persona an individual will present when he/she happens to be alone.

This very definition offers no bearing on the actions one takes or the experiences one creates. It merely is a different side of an individual that is presented to others. With that said, what you do, though the view you present to others may differ, remains concrete. Just as what you do, persona or not, is concrete and the individual must take responsibility and accept the actions they take part in.

I am by no means saying that a porn lifestyle and TS/TV are the same at all, but they are specific lifestyle CHOICES, as you can CHOOSE not to live either way. I can't speak on your level of happiness in you decided not to live in this fashion, but they are both choices made for your own consideration. Life, in itself, is a CHOICE, as you can choose to procreate, live, or die, thus everything within your life is a series of choices and experiences. No, you are not Sasha, but if you're saying my right to discriminate against you based on the lifestyle you lead and the actions you take as it pertains to my child is wrong, then wrong is what I'm gonna have to be. I cannot make it more plain.

You can make this out to a persona argument.
You can make this out to an occupational argument.
You can make this out to a civil rights argument.

But what cannot be argued is that what Sasha Grey has garnered fame from, both and an occupation and a lifestyle, is by law, not to be consumed, accessed, or partaken with by minors in way, shape, or form. As a parent, knowing that you are a representative of this, I cannot and will not accept you having anything to do with my child on that very basis.

 

[BadNewsBewes]

I believe a cheap publicity stunt using little kids to create controversy and put her name in the news, hence more future $$$ for her and her agent

Totally Agree.

 

[meesterperfect]

Dude you lived in Medellin too long. You got too used to being able to say "Jew" freely without insulting anyone. But you are back in Jersey now... remember? :1orglaugh

I understand BC.
But Jew isn't a racial slur, and I didn't say it to be that.
It just is what it is.
Just like 3 of the 4 women on that TV show which is helping publicize the publicity stunt are Jewish and the other is a token black. The reality is that her jewish agent and the people who run that show who are surely jewish are probably buddies based just on that simple fact.
In fact her last name is Jewish, it ain't greek.
So here's how it more than likely went: A porn actress wants to be a movie star. She finds a Jewish agent who asks,"Is she jewish?'. Finds out yes and they do business
Then the agent does all he can to get her roles and put her name in the spotlight through various jewish media outlets who ask, "Is she jewish, is her agent jewish? find out yes and they do business.
That's how the media/hollywood works.....it's not a myth.
It doesn't matter to me what the hell they are,but it obviously matters to them.
And I'm not gonna be afraid to say it because it's not politically correct, it just is what it is.

 

[darkwarrior3007]

There really are no words for this thread!

 

[Jack Davenport]

I understand BC.
But Jew isn't a racial slur, and I didn't say it to be that.
It just is what it is.
Just like 3 of the 4 women on that TV show which is helping publicize the publicity stunt are Jewish and the other is a token black. The reality is that her jewish agent and the people who run that show who are surely jewish are probably buddies based just on that simple fact.
In fact her last name is Jewish, it ain't greek.
So here's how it more than likely went: A porn actress wants to be a movie star. She finds a Jewish agent who asks,"Is she jewish?'. Finds out yes and they do business
Then the agent does all he can to get her roles and put her name in the spotlight through various jewish media outlets who ask, "Is she jewish, is her agent jewish? find out yes and they do business.
That's how the media/hollywood works.....it's not a myth.
It doesn't matter to me what the hell they are,but it obviously matters to them.
And I'm not gonna be afraid to say it because it's not politically correct, it just is what it is.

I don't think "Jew" is a slur either. But I was in a relationship with a Jewish woman about 15 years ago and she quickly corrected me when I said the word Jew. "It's Jewish! she said.

 

[meesterperfect]

ok, that's cool.
I don't blame her.
I guess my basic two points were: Jewish folks seem to really stick together, especially when doing business. And the media is a business, a very very lucrative one.
The only reason I mentioned in the first it was because of cindycdtv's overly complicated post on this topic and I went into more detail as a response to your's.
No big deal.
Overall point- cheap publicity stunt.

 

[cindy CD/TV]

I am by no means saying that a porn lifestyle and TS/TV are the same at all,

Um, based on what you wrote, yeah you really did. :nono:

... but they are specific lifestyle CHOICES, as you can CHOOSE not to live either way. I can't speak on your level of happiness in you decided not to live in this fashion, but they are both choices made for your own consideration.

I tire of repeating myself, but let me be VERY clear on one point ...

Transgenderism is not a choice!!! No one "chooses" to be gender ambiguous.

Yes, I could've chosen to live the life of a male, which would've been a lie, and not pursue gender reassignment. But my biological blueprint is female. And I have no control over it. No transgender goes. Does that clear it up any? :bang:

 

[RichardNailder]

I don't want her in my schools because of her fucked up political views - couldn't care less about her being a porn star.:2 cents:

 

[cindy CD/TV]

I don't want her in my schools because of her fucked up political views - couldn't care less about her being a porn star.:2 cents:

Now that indeed is a GREAT reason to keep her away from the kiddies!

 

[dongkong]

All things aside Sasha is a great marketer. She knew what buttons to push to get more popular. When she just broke into porn, she went On Tyra Banks show. THen she did a whole lot of awesome porn which paved her way into mainstreem roles. Now in time that will run out because lets be honest, shes a very bad actress. So in order to keep herself in the spotlight. She thinks, what better way to do it than to go to "Children". Children, who most parents want to keep away from everything Sasha grey represents. Will this get her more exposure? hell yeah, iv read this story on every non porn forum im on. Will this mean she gets some more roles on HBO or something , likely. Sasha knows that these are her prime years to make it in mainstreem movies. Once the shock of "OMG this girl did gangbangs and now shes in a movie" goes away. So will the offers to do movies and talk shows or mainstreem stuff. So sasha is doing everything in her power to market herself. Do i think she gives a crap about "KIDS", highly unlikely. Its a marketing move and a quiet brilliant move at that.