Same-Sex Marriage, Where Do You Stand?

[Rattrap]

Oof. Ooooof. Man, don't start pulling a georges on me.

I don't believe 'gay' is a medical anomaly. I think it is a choice...

What you think doesn't fit the evidence. This is something I take issue with. When you have a position, but the evidence all points to another one, we call that being wrong.

There is no demand for scientific evidence that being gay is a choice, because then it eliminates excuses. 'It's not my fault' and 'I was born this way' is easier to deal with than 'This is my taste and preference' or 'This is how I choose to live'. It's really nothing more than experience in taste and taste in experience, IMO.

Absolute bullshit. There's plenty of demand for that evidence, specifically because the conservative right want to blame gays for being gay. If it's a choice, they can do that. If it's not, that's kind of like discriminating one for one's color, isn't it? And again, the evidence shows that homosexuality is natural - scientists are finding genetic consistencies and that many other animals (for we are animals) display homosexuality as well. Do the gay penguins 'choose' to be gay? Gay birds?

Did you choose who you are attracted to? I sure as hell didn't.

There is a third explanation, which you talk about and ironically also disagrees with your position of choice:

Even babies make similar decisions. If you begin by feeding a baby strained carrots, that baby will eat it. Then, switch to applesauce. That baby is going to have either a distinct reaction to show preference to either the applesauce or the carrots. I think its the same choice you make to determine your sexual lifestyle. It's not until you have some kind of experience with one or the other that your preference developed.

Environmental conditioning. Which just means instead of genetics picking something for you, your environment does instead (think about how beauty has changed in, say, a couple hundred years). With that in mind one could argue that my environment did condition me to be attracted to a certain body-shape - in my case, the standard pornstar. But at no point in my life did I think to myself, 'You know, I'm going to be attracted to that kind of girl now. POW!' If I could, I'd pick less-than-attractive girls and get laid a lot more than I do. Or hell, even one better, I'd pick men and get laid all the time. I'm all for personal responsibility, mind, and I'm glad to see you are to. The definition of responsibility is the ability to respond - the ability to choose. There are a great many things about ourselves we simply do not have that ability with.

SO, please please please don't be the type who looks at evidence that directly contradicts their position, ignores it, and continues with their position anyway. That's where this candid discussion ends.

 

[freeryan]

I find marriage to be irrelevant and it was originally a concept of a man literally owning a woman as property. People that use biblical justification for going against same-sex marriage, should realise that their religion condones raped victems (whom they feel is no excuse for abortion) being soled into marriage/slavery. If that was then and this is now, leave your religion "then" and live in the now. If you're threatened by anyone's marriage, you must have an extremely fragile relationship.