Rewarding ******* Immigration?

[member2686]

LOL I don't get into trouble a lot. I've been ****** 2 times in 27 months, and they were short bans, Fox. I used to debate with mcrocket (a friend of mine, by the way) a lot, and he was much more intelligent in his writings than certain people (not one singular person...so no, I'm not flaming you, Fox) who just spout off ideology of a Utopian nature and cry oppression or racism or bigotry or ill-spiritedness whenever someone makes a valid counterpoint or "offends" them with facts, reality, and what is sheer common sense (of course, thats a completely-loaded statement there lol).

To topic: ******* imigration is just that, and should be dealt with as such. There are loads of people trying to come to the USA legally and legitimately. Why give a "pass" to the unskilled, ******* laborers who've come here in the dark of night, cutting through fences and dashing across the Rio Grande when we've got SKILLED, TALENTED, INTELLIGENT people all over the rest of the world longing to get in (and in Mexico as well, people who have applied to come here and choose not to be criminal about getting here and who want more than *******, untaxed, "under-the-table" income)?

 

[georges]

I too debated with Mcrocket in the past (in some threads with had some very strong arguments). He was politically completely opposed to me. But you can't agree with everyone on everything.It is impossible.
People saying that some ideas or some things like the Europe of 25 and the god damn shitty € (I **** this weak currency and I am all against a such of Europe 25 which is more an Europe ruining strong countries and transforming them into 1/3 world countries) will work over the long run when they clearly know it won't, are plainly utopian and are truely lacking sense of realism. People who think all is going well, all is great and all is pink are totally out of their mind/real context. Some people when they migrated didn't even do the single effort to integrate themselves (to adapt to the rules and respect the customs and habits in the country where they migrated) but dictate other their beliefs and way of thinking to inhabitants in the country where they migrated and felt (often) in criminality. http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/menu_001.htm
You can't have eternal forgiveness, it is impossible. Some people can't accept strong opinions and sometimes they catalogue other people because of these opinions, they need to stop complaining and ****** because they must know that other people don't agree and probably don't like their opinions as well.
If people have a certain dislike (****) or ill spiritedness perhaps they have their reasons especially if many incidents from the same nature happened too many times or if they felt that their country or they have been deeply disrespected too often.
Perhaps for you it is easy to blame someone for his opinion and then seeing him negatively, but not for me because I put myself in the person's shoes and analyze what happened to lead her to have such beliefs, there is always a valid reason and a justification for something.At last but not least you can't give eternal second chances and can't have eternal forgiveness, because it is clearly impossible and you clearly know it.

regards

georges

 

[Member2019]

AGAIN, do you understand the definition of the word "willing"?

I don't want to argue with you (it's pointless,

Then why do you repeatedly respond to my posts?
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=713616

you never ever ever give in even slightly)

You say I don't give in. Others call me "wishy washing." Yet others say "I fence sit." You know what, I'm sorry I think "too far outside the box" for all of you.

Why should I change my values, views, etc... for you? Why should I align myself with the allegely "only 2 sides"? Why should I preach anything that doesn't correspond to the "Golden Rule"? Why shouldn't I always question the judgement of others, when it's hypocritical for them to do so?

but I won't sit here silently and watch someone who is supposedly on the side of freedom

Huh? I explicitly used the word "willing" BECAUSE I feel STRONGLY about "freedom." Quit making an argument against something I never said!

and letting immigrants do as they please put conditions on their speaking Spanish here,

Whoa! Please point out when I said that! Stop making arguments with what you want me to say and stop and read what I actually said!

When immigrants speak French, Italian, Spanish, etc..., I have no problem. That's your problem. You have a very narrow-minded, there can only be 2 sides view. Stop!

If they want to communicate with me, sell me goods or otherwise garner my interest, they should speak the language I speak. I do the same in reverse, and ask my colleagues, friends and associates to help me learn conversational phrases in their language! If I am trying to talk to someone, market my goods or services to them, etc... and I don't speak their language, I don't blame them for not paying attention to me, or my goods or services.

That's my entire point on and why I used the term "willing".

So, again, I ask, when did I put ANY "conditions on their speaking Spanish?!?!?! STOP doing that! STOP answering for me! STOP making assumptions!

Don't bother responding to my posts anymore because you don't even stop to read what I said, let alone after I make clarification after clarification, because you just want to differ. You do this with a lot of people. And people finally just stop trying to explain. I will also avoid responding to anything of yours as well.

I at least stop and try to understand what you're saying, among others. I don't always agree. I don't always agree with the logic. But I at least see the logic and understand the intent. I don't always appreciate or respect it, but I do see it. Apparently you can't see that I'm arguing for both Freedom and "The Golden Rule."

If you can't understand that, I'm sorry. Then again, people can't understand why I'm both pro-capitalism and pro-union, pro-choice and pro-life, pro-immigration and pro-tarriff. But then again, many people do say while they disagree with many of my views, they can respect me for the thought, consideration and depth I put in them -- and how I NEVER waiver from them, because their foundations are solid.

 

[Orthocyclen]

A friend of mine brought up a good point: are there any Mexicans left in Mexico? I think I heard the same thought from the guy in Mind of Mencia.

 

[member2686]

I agree with you on this, Prof. :eek: (shocking, isn't it?! lmao)

I don't agree with some of your political views, or with some of Fox's, but on the issue of clear intolerance(s) written and read here, while claiming utter tolerance to everything, I concur with you.

Hypocrisy's a bitch. We've all been guilty of it. We're human.

+ rep for your post as soon as I can, Prof., and it'll negate the - rep I gave you recently. lol :thumbsup:

:hatsoff: :nanner:

 

[Member2019]

That means nothing, Professor. That just means he hates me more than he hates you. But believe me he hates both of us. It oozes out of the words he writes in response to me, and some of the responses he's made to you in the past. ****'s a bitch :tongue:

I think it's sad you dismiss someone's commentary as "****" based. But then again, it follows much of your logic in your responses.

Which is why this will be the very last time I'll reply to you in these types of threads. I'll still defend you in the babe/lifestyle ones, but it's not worth even talking to you on these topics.

 

[qweretyuiopas@]

I have kept quiet during this thread, but I wanna ask fox a question.

(Scenario)
Think of another country besides the U.S. that doesnt have an official language. Now, lets just say you move over there, legally or illegally, it doesn't matter. You live there now, and you work in a store or a small business. All you speak is English, and all they speak is something else (whatever that is depends on the country you pick). You dont wanna learn their language because you dont think u should have to. They say you have to learn some of their language or you are fired.

Would you think thats unfair of them to fire you because of the language you speak?

Before you mention, well X country doesnt have the freedoms of America it doesnt matter in this scenario. Try not to dance around the question saying stuff about this country does this, and our does that, their country isnt the same etc. its just a scenario.

 

[member2686]

English IS the semi-official language of the USA, and indeed of the global, international community -- not legally, but from pragmatism due to the economies and business trends of the world's countries. Everyone wants to do business with the USA, more or less, so learning English is how they've managed to do so.

There will not need to be any sort of joint language policy with Spanish once we firm up and enforce the USA's immigration laws and tighten the border to Mexico. Once the mass deportations of ******* immigrants begin, as should have been done all along, we'll not have this faux "need" for Spanish labelling on consumer goods, government forms, street signs, etc. Residents of Ontario, Canada will probably understand this ridiculous bi-lingual nonsense all too well. They're ****** to label all they're products in French and English, and French speakers confine themselves principally to Quebec and even push, year after year, to secede from Canada and be their own country.

Like it or not, English IS the dominant language of the international community, and for the biggest player in that community to pander to people who break its laws by sneaking into that country illegally is ridiculous.

English in the USA - learn to read, speak, and write it, or live in the periphery in semi-competence and STFU with this "Oh I'm being discriminated against because I'm too lazy or stupid to learn the language here" ***** excrement. That's pretty much how things work now, for better or worse - deal with it or stay where you were before; don't expect us to change for you due to YOUR incompetence.

Championing the civil rights of minority, legal citizens is far different from advocating ******* behavior and disrespect for a nation's soverignty, which is what people do, demanding that they be given special consideration when they cannot compete or assimilate in the market/society, IMO. That's were I think people get confused about this. If someone comes to the USA legally and has a hard time learning English, that is their challenge to overcome and they don't have a right to demand that people pander and cater to THEIR individual dilemma - language/financial/employment problems.

:2 cents:

 

[PassTheMag]

It's good to be Canadian sometimes.

 

[lordvader1]

Anyway, the point is, that the U.S. doesn't have an official language. English isn't THE language here, it's A language. It's the most prevalent. So America has a primary language, but in 50 - 100 years depending on the political climate, Spanish will be a joint primary language in the U.S. It already is in California, New Mexico, parts of Texas and Arizona.
PS
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It's primary in those states because that's where all these god damn ******* people are going!!!! Check a map that's where the border is. So now, Americans have to learn the language for millions of ******* immigrants because their population is growing faster then ours? How is that right?

 

[Orthocyclen]

I've heard somewhere (like where everybody else gets their news) that the U.S.A. legally doesn't have an official language and that only the state of Indiana has declared English as an official language. Correct me if I'm wrong there.

 

[member2686]

LOL You're exactly right, and no, it's not right. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:

******* imigrants should be sent back to their home country - at THEIR government's expense, not at the expense of the population of the country into which they intruded.

:ban: :thefinger

It's primary in those states because that's where all these god damn ******* people are going!!!! Check a map that's where the border is. So now, Americans have to learn the language for millions of ******* immigrants because their population is growing faster then ours? How is that right?

 

[member2686]

...They see rich people on a hill (USA) from the valley (latin america) and climb the hill and find a way to share the riches.

No. What they're doing is illegally invading the "hill" and eroding it.

Levelling the landscape, socialism in your analogy, is Utopian and fosters unneeded charity, promotes sloth, punishes ambition, overtaxes successful people so the lazy can still be comfortable despite their failures, and creates countries that people will eventually either destroy or want to leave for other capitalist countries just as they did before!

Eventually, though they will not catch up with "white" America economically, probably for hundreds of years, there will be more non-whites in America than whites, and we could have something like 25% primary Spanish speakers in this country. Once that happens, when hiring, employers will look for bil-lingual people, and we'll all be learning Spanish which is awesome That's just how I see things going, whether you like it or not... I personally like it. Anything to share the wealth of white middle America.

Why is this a race issue to you, Fox? Who brought up race? You did. We're discussing ******* immigration, not racism. You seem to think that anyone who opposes ******* immigration is a racist. Some are. So are some people who are proponents of ******* immigration as well. Racists are everywhere, and come in every color, creed, and speak every language.

We're discussing economics, national sovereignty, and enforcement of immigration laws.

 

[lordvader1]

Why is this a race issue to you, Fox? Who brought up race? You did. We're discussing ******* immigration, not racism. You seem to think that anyone who opposes ******* immigration is a racist. Some are. So are some people who are proponents of ******* immigration as well. Racists are everywhere, and come in every color, creed, and speak every language.

We're discussing economics, national sovereignty, and enforcement of immigration laws.

Exactly!! You told me in another thread that I'm a racist. Dude, sounds like you have a serious issue with white people. Name me 15 black millionaires, here I'll start:

Shaq
The owner of BET network (don't know his name offhand)
Jesse Jackson
Oprah (actually she's a billionaire)
Morgan Freeman

C'mon give me 10 more. Being rich is not a WHITE only club my friend. The white man is not bringing down this country. There are all races and creeds who want ******* immigration to stop, PERIOD!! Don't try to put the blame on one group just because the news shows them on TV.

 

[qweretyuiopas@]

Exactly!! You told me in another thread that I'm a racist. Dude, sounds like you have a serious issue with white people. Name me 15 black millionaires, here I'll start:

Shaq
The owner of BET network (don't know his name offhand)
Jesse Jackson
Oprah (actually she's a billionaire)
Morgan Freeman

C'mon give me 10 more. Being rich is not a WHITE only club my friend. The white man is not bringing down this country. There are all races and creeds who want ******* immigration to stop, PERIOD!! Don't try to put the blame on one group just because the news shows them on TV.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but are you saying Fly or Fox has issues with white people?

On another note, you are right being rich is a white only club. I will tell you this though, the the rich white people club is alot bigger than the minority rich people club. The fact that you even asked to name 15 black millionares makes me laugh. The fact that you even gave a number is sad, because you wouldnt say, name me 15 white millionares. There are too damn many to even assign a number like that. Granted there are thousands of rich minotries out there, but trying to compare one club to the other is just useless. I'll put it this way, the rich white people club is a gallon of milk, the rich minotries club is a 6 oz. carton you get for lunch when you a little ***. Im not saying there is no this or that club Im just saying one doesnt compare to the size of the other.

Besides, I see you didn't name 15 black millionares yourself. You named only 5 and you didnt even know the name of the owner of BET, so you technically named 4. Just so you know till 2005, Robert Johnson was the owner and now its Debra Lee. You give me 10 more black millionares and then ask whoever you asked to name another 15.

 

[member2686]

You're certainly referring to Fox. If you're referring to me, please post a link. I've never called a single soul here a racist unless they came on here and spewed out "the N word" a bunch of times as a n00b and then they were ****** forthwith (that's happened).

Nevermind. I just got your rep comment. You were referring to Fox and not to me.

Exactly!! You told me in another thread that I'm a racist. Dude, sounds like you have a serious issue with white people. Name me 15 black millionaires, here I'll start:

Shaq
The owner of BET network (don't know his name offhand)
Jesse Jackson
Oprah (actually she's a billionaire)
Morgan Freeman

C'mon give me 10 more. Being rich is not a WHITE only club my friend. The white man is not bringing down this country. There are all races and creeds who want ******* immigration to stop, PERIOD!! Don't try to put the blame on one group just because the news shows them on TV.

 

[lordvader1]

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but are you saying Fly or Fox has issues with white people?

On another note, you are right being rich is a white only club. I will tell you this though, the the rich white people club is alot bigger than the minority rich people club. The fact that you even asked to name 15 black millionares makes me laugh. The fact that you even gave a number is sad, because you wouldnt say, name me 15 white millionares. There are too damn many to even assign a number like that. Granted there are thousands of rich minotries out there, but trying to compare one club to the other is just useless. I'll put it this way, the rich white people club is a gallon of milk, the rich minotries club is a 6 oz. carton you get for lunch when you a little ***. Im not saying there is no this or that club Im just saying one doesnt compare to the size of the other.

Besides, I see you didn't name 15 black millionares yourself. You named only 5 and you didnt even know the name of the owner of BET, so you technically named 4. Just so you know till 2005, Robert Johnson was the owner and now its Debra Lee. You give me 10 more black millionares and then ask whoever you asked to name another 15.

No I didn't say that Fly has a problem I'm saying that Fox does. If you would have bothered to read the posts before you would have seen that we had agreed. Plus I wanted to see if Fox can justify his case for blaming white America for ******* immigration, that's why I asked him to give me the rest. What are you reading? I think it would have been relevent to show that there are so called "minorities" out there that are rich, not every white man is sitting in a gold palace. As for the owner of BET, I don't really care who he is. I don't watch his network and never will. Fox seems to want to fit the blame on rich white people and what I'm trying to say is there are rich black, hispanic and asian people too who are doing just as many opressive things as he's saying.

 

[qweretyuiopas@]

If you would have bothered to read the posts before you would have seen that we had agreed. What are you reading?

I did read the other posts and see you 2 agreed, when you quoted fly and made that post, I got a little confused because of the fact you 2 agreed earlier. I was just asking, to clarify things for myself thats all. Sorry if my confusion pissed you off. I'll try to be never confused again, and if I do get confused, I'll just keep it to myself.

 

[lordvader1]

I did read the other posts and see you 2 agreed, when you quoted fly and made that post, I got a little confused because of the fact you 2 agreed earlier. I was just asking, to clarify things for myself thats all. Sorry if my confusion pissed you off. I'll try to be never confused again, and if I do get confused, I'll just keep it to myself.

Dude, by all means don't keep things to yourself. Please voice your opinion, we all may not agree but you do have the right to do it. It's your choice. For the record I wasn't pissed off at you, I was trying to re-explain the point I was trying to make.

 

[KungFuDude]

Bush and his cronies want to secure the border with soldiers now.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/14/immigration/index.html

Drastic times call for drastic measures, but I don't know about this one. This sucks big time for the National Guard. They already stretch these guys thin as can be. Now they'll have to protect our 2000 mile long southern border as well? Yikes. Two words for you: volunteer army.