Republicans want review of birthright citizenship

[Hot Mega]

I defy you to find another thread where the word demagogue (or a derivative) appeared eight times. Well, nine now. When did that become a hot button word. It's fun to say though.

Verisimilitude. Indubitably. Enantiodromic...

Guess what everybody...little Andy can count words and their derivations. Let's give him a hand!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

What's your next trick little Andy? Counting how many fingers and toes you have?

 

[Ace Bandage]

What's your next trick little Andy? Counting how many fingers and toes you have?

Oooh, let's not get ahead of ourselves. :o Let me learn to walk upright and build a fire first. Counting and spoken language are very advanced concepts...

 

[Hot Mega]

Oooh, let's not get ahead of ourselves. :o Let me learn to walk upright and build a fire first. Counting and spoken language are very advanced concepts...

So this means we can't really expect you to add anything constructive or meaningful to the discussion except for how many times words like "the" and "and' appear for the next 16 years?:o

 

[Mayhem]

Conservatives are the ones that have been preaching about the literal interpertation and orginal intent of the Constitution for some time...now they want to change it because it does not fit their view point.

Also considering that Congress needs I believe 2/3rds to enact a Constitutional Amendment...good luck Republicans, it will never get done.

And, there....it.....is! All the truth this thread needs in two sentences. I used to be a conservative, so you can't bullshit me with the typical conservative lines. I've used them too many times myself. The current crop of Republican hacks is more interested in fearmongering propaganda then in serving the Constitutional principles that not too long ago, they said they stood up for. And they know, hell we all know, that they will never get the votes they need. So what is any of this but a complete waste of our governments time, something that conservatives used to be dead-set against?

 

[Ace Bandage]

So this means we can't really expect you to add anything constructive or meaningful to the discussion except for how many times words like "the" and "and' appear for the next 16 years?:o

Nah, I added my standard right-wing rhetoric to this debate. You probably skipped right by it though since it conflicts with your pinko commie ideals. :tongue:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Who in hell are you to decide that an American citizen born here doesn't have any rights just because of something the parents did?

Sorry dude, they have as much of a right to be here as you do.

They aren't "American citizen," they are illegals, like their parents. Simple as that.

 

[Hot Mega]

Nah, I added my standard right-wing rhetoric to this debate. You probably skipped right by it though since it conflicts with your pinko commie ideals. :tongue:

Guffaw! Actually I addressed your point. But the more coherent version was made 1st by D-Rock so in the interest of maintaining the quality of the thread/debate, I chose to reply to his comments.

Sorry. Maybe next time.:hatsoff:

 

[Mayhem]

They aren't "American citizen," they are illegals, like their parents. Simple as that.

What part of:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

do you not understand?

They ARE American citizens, and I've got the Constitution of the United States of America telling me so. What do to got?

 

[1ManRevolution]

They aren't "American citizen," they are illegals, like their parents. Simple as that.

Actually according to the 14th Amendment...All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html

So yeah, they ARE American citizens according to our Constitution.

 

[Mayhem]

^^^ Beat ya to it.

 

[1ManRevolution]

^^^ Beat ya to it.

Great minds think alike....er...I mean....:thefingerFucker!

 

[Hot Mega]

What part of: do you not understand?

They ARE American citizens, and I've got the Constitution of the United States of America telling me so. What do to got?

Actually according to the 14th Amendment...All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html

So yeah, they ARE American citizens according to our Constitution.

Drink as much water and beer as you can. As soon as you get the raging urge to take a piss...hold as long as you can. Then go outside, aim at the sun and try to put it out with your piss.

You will have a far better chance of pulling that feat off than making some here understand the facts on the issue.:horse:

 

[Ace Bandage]

^^ We're beating a dead horse here. They're trying to amend the Constitution. The 14th amendment would be changed, thus that part would no longer be applicable. Sometimes that is necessary. Not everything written during the 18th century is applicable to the present time. If that were the case, we'd still have slaves and count African Americans as 3/5 of a person.

I highly doubt that our founding fathers wrote the 14th amendment with the current immigration problem in mind. Change, yes we can!

 

[calpoon]

I also find it funny that these same types rabidly defend the second amendment, but that's Ok, I guess. I suppose that we are supposed to just pick and choose which constitutional rights we should have based on the whims of one political party.

This is not just hypocrisy, it's insanity.

Well, while we are at it I think that they need to repeal the third amendment.

Let's see how much Americans "support our troops" when they are sleeping on your couch and mooching off your stuff.

 

[Mayhem]

Drink as much water and beer as you can. As soon as you get the raging urge to take a piss...hold as long as you can. Then go outside, aim at the sun and try to put it out with your piss.

You will have a far better chance of pulling that feat off than making some here understand what you're saying on the issue.:horse:

You're right, but maybe not. Remember, I used to be one of them. I changed my mind through education and discussion. I also changed my mind by using it.

 

[Hot Mega]

If that were the case, we'd still have slaves and count African Americans as 3/5 of a person.

True. It's a moot issue now but contrary to how that clause has been portrayed, the purposes of it was for electoral and representative enumeration.

Northerners didn't want blacks to count at all since they weren't voters and the southerners want blacks counted fully...3/5s count was the compromise.:2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

You're right, but maybe not. Remember, I used to be one of them. I changed my mind through education and discussion. I also changed my mind by using it.

Yea but you're apparently not incorrigible.:hatsoff:

 

[1ManRevolution]

^^ We're beating a dead horse here. They're trying to amend the Constitution. The 14th amendment would be changed, thus that part would no longer be applicable. Sometimes that is necessary. Not everything written during the 18th century is applicable to the present time. If that were the case, we'd still have slaves and count African Americans as 3/5 of a person.

I highly doubt that our founding fathers wrote the 14th amendment with the current immigration problem in mind. Change, yes we can!

You have a point.

But when Conservatives for the majority are preaching orginal intent and literal translation of the Constitution and then want to amend it to fit their needs...you can see why I consider it to be hypocrisy.

I am all for them to try the Amendment process...I just know that they will never get the 2/3rds needed.

 

[Ace Bandage]

True. It's a moot issue now but contrary to how that clause has been portrayed, the purposes of it was for electoral and representative enumeration.

Northerners didn't want blacks count at all since they weren't voters and the southerners want blacks counted fully...3/5s count was the compromise.:2 cents:

Yeah, I stayed awake in history class too. :tongue: It was my favorite subject next to English. My overall point though was that parts of the Constitution have been changed before. It's important to do so when change is necessary.

I'd better stop now though. If I keep saying change, I might end up living in the White House...

 

[calpoon]

Andronicus Ry, the right to own slaves was never a constitutional amendment and was thus never overturned by a repeal. Whose the one beating a dead horse here?

But I agree with you about repealing all the laws from the 18th century.



Good thing that the 14 amendment was written in the 19th century.