Pres. Carter's Legacy.......Tax Time

[Hot Mega]

Mega you're wrong again.

You would have had to have been right on this once for me to be 'wrong again'.

http://www.456fis.org/LOCKHEED_-_MARTIN_F-117.htm


The F-117 receives it's designation F-117A Nighthawk in Reagan's first term in Oct '82.

"...SENIOR TREND 787 was the first of the black aircraft to be flown by the 4450th, making its first operational flight on 15 October 1982. By Christmas, several more SENIOR TRENDs had been delivered to TTR, and the F-117A Nighthawk, as the aircraft had been formally named, was in business."

This is what Lockhead Martin says about the aircraft they build. I guess they're wrong too.

The F-117 Nighthawk, developed in total secrecy, was the first operational platform to employ what is known today as "stealth." Its startling, unconventional shape clearly signified the arrival of a new era in fighter performance through low-observable technology.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/f117/

“From its first flight in 1981 through more than 20 years of operational service that includes deployment in three major conflicts, the stealth capabilities of this black jet have revolutionized air warfare,” said George Zielsdorf, vice president of F-117 and U-2 programs for Lockheed Martin. “Lockheed Martin’s lessons-learned and experience in stealth, associated technologies, and reliability and sustainment have defined the 5TH Generation systems of today.”

Lockheed Martin won the contract to build 59 F-117 fighters at the famed Skunk Works™ in Burbank, Calif., in 1978. The F-117 flew for the first time on June 18, 1981, only 31 months after the contract was awarded. Deliveries began in 1982 and ended in 1990. The aircraft achieved initial operational capability in October 1983, less than 5 years after program go-ahead.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2007/TWENTYFIVEYEARSOFSTEALTHSUSTAINMENT.html

Interestingly enough Carter cancelled the B-1, an aircraft that had a radar signature 1/50 the size of the B-52. Despite Carter's decision the AF continues B-1 research and flight testing.

If you're Carter (or any other reasonably sensible individual), why would that matter to you if;

1. The B-52 is now able to carry ALCMs which would tend to make it's radar signature a moot issue?

2. You're developing 2 other stealth bombers almost concurrently?

3. The B-52 can carry every type of armament the B-1 will be able to?

4. The B-1 will cost an additional, near $300 million per pop?

 

[Trident1]

http://www.f117reunion.org/f117_history.htm


Mega in the F-117 was only known as a Full Scale Development (FSD) aircraft up until 1981. It received the designation F-117 Nighthawk that year.



http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2751


The B-1 was to have replaced the B-52. It had a smaller radar signature.......1/50 of the B-52's return.
High/Low bomber to penetrate Soviet defenses. This aircraft because of it's small radar return would have a much better survivability rate than the B-52 over the SU.

The B-1A then the B-1B was designed to carry 8-10 SRAM's each missile with a range of 200km. The bomber would've had to penetrate Soviet airspace to launch said weapons therefore it's lower radar signature does help.

Killing the B-1A was a mistake as it was able to do a better job/higher survivability rate than the B-52.

 

[ragincaucasian]

GODDAMNIT!!!

 

[Hot Mega]

http://www.f117reunion.org/f117_history.htm


Mega in the F-117 was only known as a Full Scale Development (FSD) aircraft up until 1981. It received the designation F-117 Nighthawk that year.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2751

President Carter was responsible for the first check being cut to LM for this aircraft. Case closed.....stop double talking. It's as transparent as plate glass.

The B-1 was to have replaced the B-52. It had a smaller radar signature.......1/50 of the B-52's return.
High/Low bomber to penetrate Soviet defenses. This aircraft because of it's small radar return would have a much better survivability rate than the B-52 over the SU.

The B-1A then the B-1B was designed to carry 8-10 SRAM's each missile with a range of 200km. The bomber would've had to penetrate Soviet airspace to launch said weapons therefore it's lower radar signature does help.

Killing the B-1A was a mistake as it was able to do a better job/higher survivability rate than the B-52.

The B-1 is in service. Since the decision was made by Reagan add it to the inventory...of course there would stated mission for it. Practically though, deciding against adding it...well, let me put it another way; Adding it in light of the price tag and the alternative strategy was an excess expense.

Carter scrapped plans for the B-1 in part because between the F-117, B-2 and B-52 armed with ALCMs....all bases were covered. The B-2 is designed to deliver SRAMs too.

You say the B-1 was to replace the B-52....has that happened yet?

 

[CunningStunts]

IMO, what needs to be done is a thorough job of tax reform in the U.S. It should not be THIS damn hard, stressful and expensive for individuals and small business owners to file their annual tax forms! And it also should not be the case that Fortune 500 companies are able to game the system, so that they pay rates lower than upper middle class individuals. But since lobbyists are the ones who actually make policy in Washington, D.C., I'm not holding my breath for that to happen. But if done properly, the corporate tax rate in the U.S. could actually be cut, yet the collected tax revenue could be more than it is now! And businesses (large and small) would benefit, because they wouldn't have to devote hundreds, if not thousands, of man hours to tax planning and preparation. I know. I know... :horse:

Agree 1000%. How about a fucking flat tax already with NO DEDUCTIONS? :dunno:

 

[Jagger69]

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Worst at bat ever!! 1 pitch - 3 strikes.:1orglaugh

Hey, sometimes you just strike out....even when you are a centrist like T-Dent. :1orglaugh

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

:thumbsup:

 

[ragincaucasian]

wouldn't the flat tax screw the poor worse than they already are now?

 

[CunningStunts]

wouldn't the flat tax screw the poor worse than they already are now?

They don't pay shit now... in fact, only 51% of American's pay income tax, and most that not only don't pay, they get my money back. Fuck em.:ak47:

 

[Hot Mega]

Hey, sometimes you just strike out....even when you are a "centrist" like T-Dent. :1orglaugh

Fixed.:o

 

[Trident1]

Hey, sometimes you just strike out....even when you are a centrist like T-Dent. :1orglaugh

:thumbsup:

Exactly how did I strike out? I presented facts supporting that the AMT as we know it today was introduced in 1978. That's a home run.


Mega how the hell does one equip an F-117 with an ALCM?:1orglaugh The aircraft could only carry two LGBs.


http://www.wingweb.co.uk/aircraft/The_F-117_Nighthawk.html


Lockheed gets contract for 5 FSDs in December '79 and the first FSD rolled out in Spring 1981.

The aircraft flies June '81 and requires further modifications. Sounds more like Reagan's plane than Carter.
The aircraft known as the F-117 did not make it's first appearance until Oct. '82.

Sorry Meg this wasn't Carters show. All he did was sign an order for FSD mock-ups and didn't get one out until '81.....and even then it required re-design.



The B-1 was needed because it could support the Rapid Deployment Forces. The B-1 was superior to the B-52 because it's runway length requirements were much shorter than the B-52 therefore it could use more airports.
The B-1 was much more flexible and it would be delivered to the USAF in the summer of '85..................much sooner than the B-2 which didn't come until a few years later.
The existing FB-111As, B-52s and B-1 would/did carry SRAMs..........range roughly 200km.

 

[Hot Mega]

Mega how the hell does one equip an F-117 with an ALCM?:1orglaugh The aircraft could only carry two LGBs.

I didn't say that. Re-read.

 

[Trident1]

They don't pay shit now... in fact, only 51% of American's pay income tax, and most that not only don't pay, they get my money back. Fuck em.:ak47:

The idea is to screw the middle class and up. Drain every last fuckin' cent from middle class whitey.

 

[Trident1]

I didn't say that. Re-read.

".....between the F-117, B-2 and B-52 armed with ALCMs....all bases were covered."


:1orglaugh

 

[Hot Mega]

".....between the F-117, B-2 and B-52 armed with ALCMs....all bases were covered."


:1orglaugh

The jokes on you ('again').

Now had I said, "....between the F-117, B-2 and B-52 all being armed with...." you'd have a point. As it stands, you just misinterpreted my statement. I didn't misspeak nor did I say what you assumed.

Sorry....Try-dent again.:dunno:

 

[Trident1]

you'd have a point. As it stands, you just misinterpreted my statement. I didn't misspeak nor did I say what you assumed.

uh huh......

 

[Hot Mega]

uh huh......

A flashback to the Reagan thread would have clarified my position had your read it the first time....

History shows Carter cancelled the B-1 stealth bomber because as I stated before, Carter 1.) Green lit FSD of ALCMs which could be delivered by B-52s. 2.) He was moving forward with the F-117 and the B-2 stealth bombers. 3.) Circumstances 1 and 2 made meant the additional and excessive cost of the B-1 far outweighed the benefit.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=5455617&postcount=119
:tongue: Sucka!

PS; You must practice running up 'downward' escalators before you post on FOs or something.:o I have frankly never seen a person put more energy into going nowhere in a discussion before.

 

[emceeemcee]

Upset about how the history books contradict your beliefs about Reagan? Just start up a useless thread and attempt to justify your idol-worship on the grounds that incompetence is always relative




'But..but... he wasn't as shit as the other guy!"

 

[xfire]

Reagan was a 'tard, and a hero to dimwits. "Conservatives" accuse Liberals of wanting to "take away guns" but Reagan is the greatest gun grabber to ever sit in the White House.

http://www.csgv.org/storage/documents/reagans gun legacy.pdf

 

[Red Spyder]

I thought Carter's legacy was:
1. the "malaise speech"
2. the Iran hostage crisis
3. Operation Eagle Claw (which later on made the Pentagon come up with the army's S.O.A.R. and USSOCOM so at least something good came out of it)
4. the misery index (not surprisingly, the ones who brought it down the most were Truman and Reagan, the ones who raised it the most were Nixon AND Carter, with Nixon's presidency seeing it go up a bit more than Carter's)
5. the energy crisis in '79
6. and just for shit and giggles I'll include the bunny incident :rofl: the guy really could have used the holy hand grenade of Antioch!

 

[Trident1]

I thought Carter's legacy was:
1. the "malaise speech"
2. the Iran hostage crisis
3. Operation Eagle Claw (which later on made the Pentagon come up with the army's S.O.A.R. and USSOCOM so at least something good came out of it)
4. the misery index (not surprisingly, the ones who brought it down the most were Truman and Reagan, the ones who raised it the most were Nixon AND Carter, with Nixon's presidency seeing it go up a bit more than Carter's)
5. the energy crisis in '79
6. and just for shit and giggles I'll include the bunny incident :rofl: the guy really could have used the holy hand grenade of Antioch!

1. Stagflation
2. Higher taxes for the middle class
3. Gas rationing
4. Oil wellhead price controls.
5. Profits tax imposed on producers of domestic oil
6. Synthetic Fuels Corporation fiasco
7. Control of oil and natural gas prices
8. Creamy malaise goodness



emceeeee the history books only reinforce my view of Reagan. Most everyone associates Reagan with ending of the Cold War......and a renewed America after the horrible '70s.