Police shoot and kill kid for carrying a replica gun

Johan got anymore interesting stories? here is one....that has NOTHING to do with this case but may help you to understand why police dont ask questions if you are ignorant enough to pull a gun >>>>>A teenager convicted of fatally shooting a baby in a stroller was sentenced on Thursday to spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole after the grieving mother asked a judge to punish the gunman for taking "the love of my life"

De'Marquise Elkins, 18, stood silent and showed no emotion as he was sentenced in a courtroom less than two weeks after a jury found him guilty of murdering 13-month-old Antonio Santiago during a robbery attempt.

"His first word was never heard. His first sentence was never said," Sherry West, the baby's mother, said through tears on the witness stand as she read a statement made to rhyme like a poem or a nursery rhyme. "He never got to sleep in a toddler bed."

The baby was in his stroller and out for a walk with his mother when he was shot between the eyes on March 21 in the Georgia coastal city of Brunswick. West and a younger teenager charged as an accomplice testified at trial that Elkins killed the baby after his mother refused to give up her purse......they should have fed this some beach to shark. instead tax payers has to feed him the rest of his life. THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL SHOOTING A INNOCENT CHILD. not a person swinging a gun around that police had been called to. you people just warp my head thinking police should walk into open fire? this day and time they running around with stolen smoke wagons in their belt 10 years old.

So, because they are criminals who are cruel enough no to hesitate to kill either a baby, a cop, a child or whatever just because things do come up the way they want to, Police should act as if every single individual they come across is one of these cruel persons ?

Your story is awfully tragic and, even if I'm opposed to death penalty, I understand you being mad at the idea that your tax dollars are gonna be used to feed this "man". But it has nothing to do with the case we are discussing in this topic. It's just some random act of pure cruelty.

The real question here is this "Can cops kill innocent people just because they feel threatened ?".

I mean, what kind of person pull out his gun and shoot just because, in someone else's house, the dog rushes at him ? All this comes from the way cops ar trained, how training consist to mentally condition them to Potential danger => Open fire. Because, without this kind of mental conditionning, this cop probably wouldn't have open fire when there was a 4 years old girl in the surroundings.
 

SabrinaDeep

Official Checked Star Member
I mean, what kind of person pull out his gun and shoot just because, in someone else's house, the dog rushes at him ? All this comes from the way cops ar trained, how training consist to mentally condition them to Potential danger => Open fire. Because, without this kind of mental conditionning, this cop probably wouldn't have open fire when there was a 4 years old girl in the surroundings.

I have to agree with you on this. Many cops are very badly trained, mentally unstable and naturally assholes. Not only in the USofA, though. Every time that i get stopped by police for controls, wherever i am, i wish i can walk/drive away very soon because i always feel like there is no common sense at all in the air by their side. However, exactly because of this, for how much unjust it is (and it is, since a cop should serve and protect, not bull and scare) i comply to their requests and do my best to stroke their ego rather than challenging them. For a bad apple that shoots your kid because feeling "threatened" by your dog, there are a lot of good apples who put their lives at stake every day to fight crime. The problem, in my opinion, is that the world has changed for the worse when it comes to parenting and bad parenting can equally produce lawful and unlawful criminals. Police didn't use to be so brutal, because people didn't use to be such entitled assholes. There were criminals and there was police. Today there are tons of shitty frustrated people who choose one path or the other and in either case they just care about bullying the next. Until we recuperate family values and we start teaching respect, politeness and humility to our kids, things will get even worse, not better. It's not the uniform making bad policemen, it's bad people wearing a uniform.
 
I have to agree with you on this. Many cops are very badly trained, mentally unstable and naturally assholes. Not only in the USofA, though. Every time that i get stopped by police for controls, wherever i am, i wish i can walk/drive away very soon because i always feel like there is no common sense at all in the air by their side. However, exactly because of this, for how much unjust it is (and it is, since a cop should serve and protect, not bull and scare) i comply to their requests and do my best to stroke their ego rather than challenging them. For a bad apple that shoots your kid because feeling "threatened" by your dog, there are a lot of good apples who put their lives at stake every day to fight crime. The problem, in my opinion, is that the world has changed for the worse when it comes to parenting and bad parenting can equally produce lawful and unlawful criminals. Police didn't use to be so brutal, because people didn't use to be such entitled assholes. There were criminals and there was police. Today there are tons of shitty frustrated people who choose one path or the other and in either case they just care about bullying the next. Until we recuperate family values and we start teaching respect, politeness and humility to our kids, things will get even worse, not better. It's not the uniform making bad policemen, it's bad people wearing a uniform.

Like anything there are good ones and there are bad ones it's just human nature.
Police work attracts aggressive personalities therefore you get aggressive reactions.
 
(HANK HILL) i tell you what! if police pull up on me and say drop it hands up that is exactly what i am going to do...you may take me to jail...but if i get he11 beat out of me or shot it WONT be because i was to ignorant to comply. so far i never been shot or beat up. and i am no angel had a few run ins with police. been arrested 2 or 3 times. one time i wasnt even handcuffed. your encounter with police is what you make it. do what your told when your told ...you dont have much problem. o and dont commit crimes to start with is the BEST way to stay bullet free. that is all i got to say about that..now turn them lights and cameras off and get off my property.
 
(HANK HILL) i tell you what! if police pull up on me and say drop it hands up that is exactly what i am going to do...you may take me to jail...but if i get he11 beat out of me or shot it WONT be because i was to ignorant to comply. so far i never been shot or beat up. and i am no angel had a few run ins with police. been arrested 2 or 3 times. one time i wasnt even handcuffed. your encounter with police is what you make it. do what your told when your told ...you dont have much problem. o and dont commit crimes to start with is the BEST way to stay bullet free. that is all i got to say about that..now turn them lights and cameras off and get off my property.


great wisdom there from a cartoon character brought to us by the creator of beavis and butthead

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we have people who are dickheads in the police here in the uk too, and even throughout europe (where many police do carry guns, unlike in uk),

and some of them make bad choices on duty - including when they are dealing with ignorant, confrontational and sometimes violent members of the public

for a number of reasons they don't kill civilians over here at anywhere close to the rate they do in the us

here are 2 for a starter

1) there are far less guns held by european citizens

2) police aren't itching to kill anyone who they perceive has "disrespected" them, due to having better training i guess, and to most of them not having a cowboy mentality common among, from what i can see on here and in other places, american gun nuts
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Good news. The Grand Jury came back without an indictment. Of course this will greatly lessen the amount of money the family will try to get in the inevitable lawsuit and, of course, they're asking president Stompy Foot to send in the DOJ and get them the result they want.

And I saw the video and I would've probably shot that kid, too. You don't give someone carrying what looks like a real handgun an opportunity to shoot you.
 
Open carry laws didn't stop cops from killing Tamir Rice or John Crawford


Last year, police officers in Ohio shot and killed John Crawford in a Walmart in Beavercreek, and, in a separate shooting, 12-year-old Tamir Rice outside of a Cleveland recreation center, largely on the belief that Crawford and Rice were carrying real guns. Grand juries have now backed up the officers, deciding to file no criminal charges against the cops involved in the two police shootings.

Crawford and Rice were carrying toy weapons, but the killings have sparked questions about why police were allowed to shoot two people for holding what appeared to be actual guns in a state where it is legal to openly carry them.

But legal experts say that open carry laws and the laws that govern police use of force don't really have much to do with each other. Here's why.

Forty-four states allow their residents to carry firearms openly in public, according to OpenCarry.org. Thirty of those states don't require a permit to open carry. There are also varying regulations from state to state on where exactly an unconcealed gun is allowed. Ohio, for instance, allows open carry without a permit virtually anywhere — with a major exception for keeping a gun in a car, which requires a concealed carry permit.

These laws generally allow people to carry guns in public without fear of arrest. Alan Gura, an attorney who helped fight gun-control laws in Washington, DC, said that, in a state where open carry is allowed, misuse of a firearm is definitely grounds for formal police intervention, but not mere possession.

However, the open carry laws have little to do with whether a police shooting is justified, experts say. As attorney and gun rights advocate David Kopel explained, police officers wouldn't be allowed to shoot someone just because he's wielding a gun where open carry is a legal. Under the two Supreme Court decisions — Tennessee vs. Garner and Graham v. Connor — that dictate police use of force, officers must show that they had an objectively reasonable belief that a suspect was a threat up to the moment the last bullet was fired.

"Let's say there's no open carry," Kopel said. "The officer has every right to intervene, to arrest, and so forth. But that doesn't mean you can shoot the guy." Unless that person brandishes his gun in a threatening manner, Kopel explained, a police officer wouldn't be justified in shooting.

Prior to the Crawford and Rice shootings, police officers reportedly heard from 911 callers that the suspects were waving firearms, which turned out to be toy guns, in a threatening manner. The legal question for the officers involved in these shootings isn't whether Crawford and Rice had a right to carry a gun in public, but whether they reasonably believed the reported threats were still present up to the moment they shot Crawford and Rice. Open carry laws don't play a role.

Ultimately, grand juries did not indict the officers who shot Crawford or Rice, agreeing that the cops involved in the separate shootings reasonably believed that the toy guns were actual firearms and used in a threatening manner against others.

Following the shootings of Crawford and Rice, many people questioned whether cops treat black people openly carrying guns differently than their white counterparts.

Charles Goodson, head of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, called it a "valid argument." He said his predominantly African-American group, which holds regular open carry patrols and marches in Texas, has been harassed by heavily armed police in the past. In contrast, white open carry protests in the state faced limited police attention despite high levels of media scrutiny.

Jamelle Bouie, a writer at Slate, voiced some of his concerns on Twitter, which were further echoed by the hashtag #BlackOpenCarry.

Studies on implicit bias show cops may subconsciously perceive a black person with a gun as a threat more easily than a white person with a gun.

By putting police officers through a video game simulation, Josh Correll of the University of Colorado Boulder found cops generally pull the trigger more quickly against black suspects than white suspects when the suspect was seen carrying a weapon. That could suggest, Correll explained in August, that police officers may be more likely to incorrectly shoot a black suspect in a real-life environment.

"In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," Correll said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

So, basicaly, Open-carry laws are for white people, not black people. Fair enough since, when the 2nd Amendment was written, the "militia" was a politicaly-correct way to designate the slave-patrols...
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
So, basicaly, Open-carry laws are for white people, not black people. Fair enough since, when the 2nd Amendment was written, the "militia" was a politicaly-correct way to designate the slave-patrols...

Timir had the gun stuck in his pants, with his shirt over it, and then lifted his shirt to show the gun to the cops, as I heard the story...that's NOT open carry. Also, since you are woefully ignorant to the concept of self preservation, I shall remind you that, it's not so much that you just have the gun, but how you act, move, talk, and your demeanor that weigh heavily om whether you take a bullet.


Mind your own fucked up shit hole you self righteous fucktard.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
We musst take in account that we arenot talking about real police officers. These guys in uniformhave just gotten that 4-month course that barely suffices for a mall security. Sadly, in the USA, there are few actual cops. I condsider the FBI and NSA agents the actual cops.

So it is small wonder they are not trained to respond in a professional manner and they are not capable to do anything else than just shoot down anything that is too much for them to handle.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
We musst take in account that we arenot talking about real police officers. These guys in uniformhave just gotten that 4-month course that barely suffices for a mall security. Sadly, in the USA, there are few actual cops. I condsider the FBI and NSA agents the actual cops.

So it is small wonder they are not trained to respond in a professional manner and they are not capable to do anything else than just shoot down anything that is too much for them to handle.

The LAPD swat and several swat teams of several us police departments have either former military or counter terrorism/spying agencies personnel in their mid to high ranking staf recruited. I wouldn't put all people in the same boat. Also since the 1990's and especially 2000's, the ghetto thug mentality has risen to a non return point. A lot of cops were shot cowardly in the back, therefore, there was a decision from law enforcement officers to strikeback and shoot to kill when one person vows and waves a gun at their faces. Put yourself and walk a mile in their shoes and perhaps you will understand the type of crowd they have to deal with in the worst suburbs and neighborhoods.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Supa, that is the dumbest thing you've posted in a while. Which is amazing because nearly everything you post is stupid. Most police officers in the US go through a harsher screening process than you can possibly imagine. Most departments require either military experience; a degree in criminal justice, psychology; or both. After initial training officers face a probationary period that can last up to two years, during which time they can be summarily dismissed. And there's continual training that lasts throughout their career. We've been over this before.

Come to the US. Mouth off to a cop about your beliefs and see what happens.
 
Come to the US. Mouth off to a cop about your beliefs and see what happens.
I know what would happen : He would be shot even before his rant is over.

Rule N°1 taught to US cops : Shoot first, then think. Don't worry about the consequences : even if you kill an innocent, a kid or whatever the system wil protect you and nothing will ever happen to you, particulary if the person you killed was black.
 
Johan: don't judge an entire muslim community based on the actions of a few.

Johan: judges an entire law enforcement community based on the actions of a few.
 
Johan: don't judge an entire muslim community based on the actions of a few.

Johan: judges an entire law enforcement community based on the actions of a few.

If you think I blame cops, you did not understoodf my point. I admit it, there was a time when I blamed cops . But I've since changed my mind and I know blame the system and the training cops receive.
 
If you think I blame cops, you did not understoodf my point. I admit it, there was a time when I blamed cops . But I've since changed my mind and I know blame the system and the training cops receive.

As to law enforcement in general this type of job attracts aggressive people so in day to day enforcement they naturally respond aggressively you are just not going to get outside the box thinkers wanting to deal with the day to day crap that law enforcement deals with or the mediocre pay.
 
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