Police officer killed in furious firefight in Ohio trailer park

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Looks like my work here is done.

Sheesh, sometimes when reading your posts I can' tell if you're a left-wing fruit or a right-wing extremist.

Well thank you, Scotty. :hatsoff:
 
There was an interview with the woman who was with him for about the last seventeen years on the news the other day.

This guy was medicated and had issues. He was prone to violent outbursts and dangerous behavior. She said he was fine when she left.
 
There was an interview with the woman who was with him for about the last seventeen years on the news the other day.

This guy was medicated and had issues. He was prone to violent outbursts and dangerous behavior. She said he was fine when she left.


Jeez, another one? How the hell do mentally unstable people keep getting a hold of firearms?
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
In this case, I think the cops chose the best option(s) they had available to them in a deadly situation. With multiple officers down and civilians being shot at, they took out a mad man who had no regard for his own life, or anyone else's.

As for all this talk about infrared technology, I'm far from being very knowledgeable on what's available these days. But my understanding is that infrared works best on targets that are out in the open (the less they move around, the better), not blocked by walls or other objects. And from what little I've read, glass, metal, plastics and even cloth will block infrared imaging. As long as the target does not maintain a static position for a long period of time, thereby establishing a heat signature, you wouldn't be able to "see" him. And this guy was in an aluminum/tin skinned trailer, with studded interior walls topped by some sort of drywall, I assume.

But like I said, I don't know exactly what is out there these days. So if someone knows of an optical technology, that is available to police, that would allow a sniper to "see" through walls in real time, and distinguish a good target from a bad target, please describe it or provide a link. That would be really interesting stuff that many of us would like to read about.
IR has seen through objects before.
 

Facetious

Moderated
But like I said, I don't know exactly what is out there these days. So if someone knows of an optical technology, that is available to police, that would allow a sniper to "see" through walls in real time, and distinguish a good target from a bad target, please describe it or provide a link. That would be really interesting stuff that many of us would like to read about.

In order to ''see'' through walls and such, you would basically have to employ the use of some very advanced ''X - Rey'' technology in order to do so.

:p
 

Really? Ohio's the new punchline state now? That's pretty lazy comedy writin' right there. At least Florida is...well, Florida.

This is a really sad story, but I can't help but be amazed at some of the photos taken AS the shootout was going down. I hadn't seen most of those until just now.
 
In order to ''see'' through walls and such, you would basically have to employ the use of some very advanced ''X - Rey'' technology in order to do so.

:p

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0...homeland-security-aclu-drive-by-snooping.html

Yup. So I say every department should have one of these...with a roof mounted sonic diarrhea cannon and a hose that shoots the super sticky glue that saw on Future Weapons. The no imaginary little boys would risk getting shot. Ever.

Sorry to step on your pun with a cancer van link.
 

L3ggy

Special Operations FOX-HOUND

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
In order to ''see'' through walls and such, you would basically have to employ the use of some very advanced ''X - Rey'' technology in order to do so.

:p
IR has already seen through walls. Do some research.
It has seen through sand to see tanks which have been immobile for days.
 
Solid Snake exist?!

You know what this means, L3ggy?

You can finally meet Sniper Wolf and I can go through the most crazy stuff ever and never die because real life no longer exists!

*dances around in circles with L3ggy*

YAYYYYYYYY
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
What LaLiLuLeLohan posted... OK, I get that. It's sending out waves which penetrate walls, etc. But infrared doesn't work like that, so I'm still searching for what you guys are talking about.

I've read a couple more articles about IR rifle scopes and other IR imaging devices and they all pretty much say the same thing about a person inside a dwelling: unless a person is pressed up against an exterior wall for several minutes without moving, his heat signature either couldn't be detected or he might have moved to another location by the time an image is seen.

From another source:
INFRARED IMAGER AND IR THERMAL CAMERA CATALOG
...Thermal images cannot see through walls, although you can gather much information about the inside of the wall as well as what is happening on the other side of the wall. For example you would not be able to see people and plants involved in an illicit indoor growing operation from the outside of the building. You would be able to see and monitor the heat escaping from the building that would be a telltale sign of an indoor growing operation. Click here for legal cases involving thermal infrared for narcotics detection You would also be able to see things like studs inside the walls, or damaged insulation in roofing applications. We hope that dispels a few of the most common myths regarding infrared energy. Thermal imagers in Hollywood and in real life are very different. The remainder of this paper will focus on the real life thermal imagers and how they work...
http://www.ir55.com/milcam.html

As for the tank in sand... well, sand is porous, the hot/still cooling tank is static and the tank is in direct contact with the sand - so that produces a thermal image. The same is true of grow houses... they heat up the room where the pot plants are located, making that room show up as a "hot spot".

That x-ray van that LaLiLuLeLohan posted is pretty interesting tech. But even with it, apparently you have to be pretty close to the target and then you'd have to have some sort of milspec fire control system to actually use it for targeting.

We're kind of getting off track with this James Bond talk. Some departments in the U.S. are struggling to retain all their officers and even buy pistols for them, much less buy stuff made of "unobtainium". And considering how hard Ohio has been hit by the recession, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they might not be able to replace the cop who was killed. But anyway, I think the bottomline is, the cops produced a good result from a bad situation. Again, :thumbsup: on this one.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
IR can see through walls under certain circumstances. So it has limited utility.
And it can do more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Applications
Art history
The Arnolfini Portrait by Jan van Eyck, National Gallery, London

Infrared reflectograms, as called by art historians,[16] are taken of paintings to reveal underlying layers, in particular the underdrawing or outline drawn by the artist as a guide. This often uses carbon black which shows up well in reflectograms, so long as it has not also been used in the ground underlying the whole painting. Art historians are looking to see if the visible layers of paint differ from the under-drawing or layers in between - such alterations are called pentimenti when made by the original artist. This is very useful information in deciding whether a painting is the prime version by the original artist or a copy, and whether it has been altered by over-enthusiastic restoration work. Generally the more pentimenti, the more likely a painting is to be the prime version. It also gives useful insights into working practices.[17]

Among many other changes in the Arnolfini Portrait of 1434 (right), his face was higher by about the height of his eye, hers was higher, and her eyes looked more to the front. Each of his feet was underdrawn in one position, painted in another, and then overpainted in a third. These alterations are seen in infra-red reflectograms.[18]

Similar uses of infrared are made by historians on various types of objects, especially very old written documents such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Roman works in the Villa of the Papyri, and the Silk Road texts found in the Dunhuang Caves.[19] Carbon black used in ink can show up extremely well.
 
They are working on using radio waves to be able to see things through walls, but it's not developed yet. In any case, different substances will let different wavelengths of light though better than others. There are some things that infrared can pierce better than visible light and vice versa. Most infrared devices we have can't see though most solid materials though. It should also be noted that the infrared band is pretty large and infrared light on one end of it can be quite different than infrared light at the other, in the same way that red is light is different than purple light, but what we call infrared frequencies occupy an even bigger space on the spectrum of light so they can have an even broader range. Much the same can be said for radio waves also.
 
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