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[poggy]

Lots of countries in the UN have the death penalty. Just not the so called hyper advanced western nations, excluding the USA. The UN is about inclusion, not exclusion. It encourages and lobbies for its members to abandon barbaric aspects like the death penalty, but it doesn't kick them out for having the death penalty, nor does it support it.

But that is not what you said on your first post Fox...

All I know is that the UN and all the humanitarian organizations condemn executions

If you condemn something you most certainly don't allow it.

So are they really against as much as your trying to make out. Because if they did condemn it. Then any country with the death penalty in place wouldn't be allowed in the UN.

So shouldn't it have been...

The UN don't like the death penalty, but will allow it because it has nothing to do with what they stand for.

Wait a minute we've hit that double standard again. They either allow it or not. Because aren't the UN supposed to be something that sorts out these sort of problems. Yet here you are with them allowing countries that do it into there own inner circle.

So the question still remains...

How can the UN be against it, when their own members do it?

 

[Friday on my mind]

But that is not what you said on your first post Fox...



If you condemn something you most certainly don't allow it.

So are they really against as much as your trying to make out. Because if they did condemn it. Then any country with the death penalty in place wouldn't be allowed in the UN.

So shouldn't it have been...

The UN don't like the death penalty, but will allow it because it has nothing to do with what they stand for.

Wait a minute we've hit that double standard again. They either allow it or not. Because aren't the UN supposed to be something that sorts out these sort of problems. Yet here you are with them allowing countries that do it into there own inner circle.

So the question still remains...

How can the UN be against it, when their own members do it?

Could be maybe that 2 of the 5 permanent members of the security council which can veto any UN resolution still use the death penalty,those being the US and China.Plus the UN normally does not interfere with most internal matters of members.I mean c'mom just who do you think is the the most powerful member of the UN, it would be the US no?If the UN really said what most of the world wanted it to, it would condemn and sanction the US for Iraq.But it won't because the 800lb gorilla(the US) can veto anything.Forget the UN,like I said before no so called civilized country besides the US still has the death penalty,I don't need the UN to tell me it's wrong.

PS: I understand you have been addressing Fox and sorta ignoring me which is fine ,but I think if you really only want him to answer maybe pms would be more approriate.

 

[poggy]

Okay I'll answer both of you as neither of you seem to be able to grasp this...

The UN was the ones who sanctioned Sadam been tried in his own country.
The UN as did everyone else knew that he would be found guilty of his crimes.
The UN also knew full well that he would be executed when the trial was over.

Still think they condemn executions and the death penalty!

This isn't the only case either.

But as with all these other so called good forces. They hide it all behind the banner of it was done in the best interests of peace. Which always nearly you'll find that actually it causes more death and pain. So is that peace?


And as Fox knows quite well I'm not for the death penalty. I'd rather they suffered than be released with a quick death for their crimes.

But you've both talked yourself into a corner neither of you can get out of.

I ignored you Friday because you seem to be just talking US with georges and I'm not really interested in amendments and stuff like that. It becomes simple, hide behind the paperwork in that case.

As I stated on here a thousand times before. I don't get into other countries politics. I don't live their so don't care much.

Britain got rid of the death penalty years ago for one main good reason really. Quite a few of the people they executed turned out later to be innocent. Now how do you undo death?

 

[Friday on my mind]

But you've both talked yourself into a corner neither of you can get out of.

I ignored you Friday because you seem to be just talking US with georges and I'm not really interested in amendments and stuff like that. It becomes simple, hide behind the paperwork in that case.

As I stated on here a thousand times before. I don't get into other countries politics. I don't live their so don't care much.

Britain got rid of the death penalty years ago for one main good reason really. Quite a few of the people they executed turned out later to be innocent. Now how do you undo death?

Again on the UN thing remember nothing happens that the US is not on board with.So if we want to let Iraq try Saddam and hang him the UN will not do anything to oppose it.Not real sure what corner I'm in.
And if you are against the death penalty I guess we are just debating for the sake of debating.And let me add your last statement about why Britain abolished it is exactly why I support it being abolished here.Quite a few have been proven innocent who were on death row and many innocents have obviously been executed here also.And as you say how do you undo that.

 

[bodie54]

Some people believe in the death penalty, I say that supporting it makes us accessory to murder and there is never an excuse for murder, especially state sponsored murder.

Yes - what a tragedy Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated by Czech partisans. Tell me Fox, how can we ever exorcise our communal grief and guilt over such egregious miscarriages of justice?

 

[Facetious]

That's really sad how some bastard would take the life of a young lady, just beginning her life.




Pro death penalty, All The Way ! !:thumbsup:

Remove this POS from the world at once !
one who would not harm but murder a
vulnerable young lady, just for fancy.


:wave2:

 

[Friday on my mind]

That's really sad how some bastard would take the life of a young lady, just beginning her life.




Pro death penalty, All The Way ! !:thumbsup:

Remove this POS from the world at once !
one who would not harm but murder a
vulnerable young lady, just for fancy.


:wave2:

Does he get a trial 1st?
And in order to support the death penalty you must be willing to ignore the clear evidence that it is used in racially biased way not to mention you must ignore the MANY people who have been proven innocent as I mentioned before by "the innocence project" and released from death row and prison.Obviously many were executed or had no dna evidence available who were also innocent.How is it that someone who was PROVEN just not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt but INNOCENT ever get convicted?It is because large segment of law enforement is corrupt and biased as the rest of society is.That was the lesson of the OJ trial not that he was innocent but that police like Mark Furhman were to baised to be trusted.It amazes me that FOX news thinks he is someone to be used on their network as an analyst but then again we know their bias so really it is not surprising, and the views of some on this board fit that pattern also.

 

[poggy]

Again on the UN thing remember nothing happens that the US is not on board with.So if we want to let Iraq try Saddam and hang him the UN will not do anything to oppose it.Not real sure what corner I'm in.
And if you are against the death penalty I guess we are just debating for the sake of debating.And let me add your last statement about why Britain abolished it is exactly why I support it being abolished here.Quite a few have been proven innocent who were on death row and many innocents have obviously been executed here also.And as you say how do you undo that.

First actually the UN goes to a vote on all matters. Which means all nations cast one vote.

I actually only came into it because Fox said that the UN condemns the death penalty. Which has been proven more than once they don't. I mean how can someone condemn something when they know that it's going to happen in the long run from something they decided?

That is like I said glossing over something with a slogan or paperwork. The UN usually uses the excuse...

It all for the good of peace.

Iraq proved once again that killing someone for the crimes he committed isn't in the interest of peace. When it brings the murder of innocents. They decided to have Sadam tried in his own country. Knowing full well that he'd be found guilty and executed as soon as he did.

So I ask Fox again...

Where exactly do the UN condemn the death penalty and executions?

PS
Friday this film Let Him Have It is based on a true story. This is just one of the reasons Britain scraped the death penalty. Although you still get some who want to bring it back.