Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of 284

Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Wow, this is interesting. He has possibly played a minor und indirect role in an act that lead to the murder of Americans and now every ego-swinging douchebag wants to directly murder him or at least have him murdered... so, let me get this straight... it is a heinous, evil act for an assumed terrorists to possibly play a minor, indirect part in the murder Americans, but it is an act of glorious, patriotic righteousness to murder him by shooting him in the face?
It doesn't get any more twisted than that.
Probably some Americans should start adjusting their moral compass, let alone their rhetorics. I mean, honestly, "terrorism" has become the word of the decade, fear and hate have becoming the leading motivators, war, torture and state-sanctioned murder have become the new tools of a society whose essential, pivotal words and key concepts were once freedom, justice or "innocent until proven guilty". It is painful to watch the brutalization of a nation that once wanted to be a role model to us all. And now they have a President that is called a coward because he wants to keep some of these former values alive.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Wow, this is interesting. He has possibly played a minor und indirect role in an act that lead to the murder of Americans and now every ego-swinging douchebag wants to directly murder him or at least have him murdered... so, let me get this straight... it is a heinous, evil act for an assumed terrorists to possibly play a minor, indirect part in the murder Americans, but it is an act of glorious, patriotic righteousness to murder him by shooting him in the face?
It doesn't get any more twisted than that.
Probably some Americans should start adjusting their moral compass, let alone their rhetorics. I mean, honestly, "terrorism" has become the word of the decade, fear and hate have becoming the leading motivators, war, torture and state-sanctioned murder have become the new tools of a society whose essential, pivotal words and key concepts were once freedom, justice or "innocent until proven guilty". It is painful to watch the brutalization of a nation that once wanted to be a role model to us all. And now they have a President that is called a coward because he wants to keep some of these former values alive.

They don't seem to understand that evil begets evil; they wouldn't be a target of terrorism if they didn't have the imperialist attitude;
"We can do whatever we want to you, yo, and you aint got the right to do none o' that bad shit back"
Like that would ever happen; you hit someone; they retaliate. That simple. Hitting them for hitting back just means you'll get hit back some more.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

They don't seem to understand that evil begets evil; they wouldn't be a target of terrorism if they didn't have the imperialist attitude;
"We can do whatever we want to you, yo, and you aint got the right to do none o' that bad shit back"
Like that would ever happen; you hit someone; they retaliate. That simple. Hitting them for hitting back just means you'll get hit back some more.

c'mon, what do we do to them?
interupted the taliban control in afghanistan and took out saddam.
they should thank us.
but these guys hate us for it because they supported those 2 things.
as i believe you do.

the real reason many muslims/arabs hate us is israel.

the united states fought in world war 1.
one reason, maybe the biggest, was to get jews palestine.
without the usa entering that war and winning it germany wins.
if germany wins the jews have to go to madagascar, which is isolated and 4 times bigger than what is now isreal.
but they wanted palestine and the usa got it for them, england gave it to them because that was part of the deal for the usa saving englands ass.
see jews were expelled from dozens of countries over the past 1000 years.
they always either got out or converted.
it wasnt until 1916 when they had enough influence in the united states to get them to interviegn, literally die for them

it became officially isael after the 2nd world war.
and the usa continues to support israel.

muslims hate jews- united states got israel for them and continues to support them- muslims hate the united states.

its really as simple as that.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

By my count the US is still undefeated in trials against terrorists. Or has that somehow changed now?:dunno:
 

roronoa3000

Banned
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Except he didn't try to do 285 terrorist acts, only one :facepalm:

So one is acceptable? He is still a fucking terrorist and going to prison anyway where he'll serve more than those 6 years he already had.


....actually he'll be raped/shanked within the year.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

They don't seem to understand that evil begets evil; they wouldn't be a target of terrorism if they didn't have the imperialist attitude;
"We can do whatever we want to you, yo, and you aint got the right to do none o' that bad shit back"
Like that would ever happen; you hit someone; they retaliate. That simple. Hitting them for hitting back just means you'll get hit back some more.

Yeah, because terrorist attacks are now, and always have been solely focused on attacking the US for reasons of imperialism. Yeah. Maybe you can look through this list and explain to me why I seem to see a lot of terrorist activity in places like Span, India, Colombia, Serbia, Ireland, Thailand, Russia, Turkey, Mexico, etc... etc... etc... in the last decade?

Last I checked, imperialism isn't exactly running rampant in the political stances of most of these countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010
 

roronoa3000

Banned
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

They don't seem to understand that evil begets evil; they wouldn't be a target of terrorism if they didn't have the imperialist attitude
Terrorist have attacked England, yo o_o
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Yeah, because terrorist attacks are now, and always have been solely focused on attacking the US for reasons of imperialism. Yeah. Maybe you can look through this list and explain to me why I seem to see a lot of terrorist activity in places like Span, India, Colombia, Serbia, Ireland, Thailand, Russia, Turkey, Mexico, etc... etc... etc... in the last decade?

Last I checked, imperialism isn't exactly running rampant in the political stances of most of these countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010

That argument makes no sense at all. If some Islamic terrorists resent the US for their imperialism, what does that have to do with let's say IRA terrorism in Britain? They are two different things. One can commit a terrorist act for many different reasons. In some cases, terrorists are even called freedom fighters or freedom fighters are called terrorist, depending on the perspective.
If I punch you in the nose because you're stupid and I punch your brother because he's a loudmouth, then yes, I'm a puncher, but I nonetheless punched you for being stupid, not your brother.

So one is acceptable? He is still a fucking terrorist and going to prison anyway where he'll serve more than those 6 years he already had.

....actually he'll be raped/shanked within the year.
Nobody said that any act of terrorism is generally acceptable. But, dude, honestly, this is way more complicated.
First of all, you Americans are way to slackly with the term "terrorist". Everyone, everywhere, for every reason is a terrorist. Seriously, it's getting exhausting. Our Secretary of the Interior issued the first terror warning for Germany this week since 9/11. The first! We are in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, everywhere you Americans also have troops. But guess what, we build, we help, we get along, we spread a positive message. Ergo we are not perceived as a threat. That's the reason why we are so seldomly targeted. a) We don't make ourselves a permanent target with arrogant, ignorant, imperialistic behaviour, and b) we don't see a terrorist in everyone who disagrees with us or doesn't like us.
Second, for the Nazis, the assassination attempts on Hitler were acts of terrorism as well. I guess you'd agree that we have a different take on that today, don't you? I'd take a step back from time to time, take a good look at the big picture, and then figure out a way to continue from there. Instead of incessantly revolving around your own small mindedness.
Third, nobody deserves to get raped or killed in prison no matter what he did. As long as most Americans don't abandon those brutally immoral pseudo-justified viewpoints, you honestly deserve a bloody nose every once in a while, as did every other nation in history with such an extreme degree of moral degeneration and such a high acceptance level of ignorant behaviour.

its really as simple as that.
No, it is absolutely not. And stop telling yourself your collective identity knowledge is historical fact. It's just another example of collective memory patterns misrecognized as objective history.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

well, i wouldnt be sad if the guy was taken out in prison by some other inmate. ill say that.

but, why not open up an option of putting em in a gulag in russia, open one of em back up. no torture, no inhumane work environments like those prisons were known for. just put em up in the snow and let em rot away from civilization. i mean they cant love cold right? at least the ones who didnt come from Afghanistan at least. even if they escaped, where the fuck are they gonna go?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

No, it is absolutely not. And stop telling yourself your collective identity knowledge is historical fact. It's just another example of collective memory patterns misrecognized as objective history.

what does that mean?
collective memory?
collective identity?

so many muslims dont hate the usa because of what i stated and because of their allience with israel?
cause thats what i said, and you say its absolutely not like that?

everything i said in my post was historically correct, and its not what they teach in school.
sorry you dont like it.
 

roronoa3000

Banned
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Third, nobody deserves to get raped or killed in prison no matter what he did
Serial murderers, rapist don't deserve to live.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

what does that mean?
collective memory?
collective identity?
That is way too much to explain here in detail. If you want, I can recommend you some literature on that subject via pm.
In short (too short to be really accurate): There are many different forms of historical memory. One of them for example is your individual, neurological memory. Another one is the family memory for example, which disappears naturally after every third generation except for those parts that are conserved through rites, tradition or externalized media like family pictures, heirlooms etc. The most complicated form of memory is collective memory. It's the kind of memory that forms your group identity as an American for example by subjecting you to American history lessons at school, 4th of July celebrations or your daily news media coverage on historical, political or national topics. Collective memory is comprised of many kinds of artefacts (from museum exhibits to history textbooks) and rites (from 4th of July barbecues to Pearl Harbor commemoration) and is often part of history politics. For example the film about the Hiroshima bombing in the National Atomic Museum in Las Vegas depicts the events very differently from the films at the Peace Memorial Museum in Hiroshima. Each of these films form the collective memory of the people watching them. You of course are solely interested in those films that run along the memory trails that form your identity. Collective memory is history seen through the eyes of collective identity. You are an American with a strong pro-American nationalist identity, thus you dismiss everything that endangers a positive identity formation. Meaning: you chose only to perceive that knowledge that let's you keep or form your identity in a way that is compliant to your individual as well as your collective memory. If your individual memory would decide to be nonconform, you'd be in an identity conflict.

so many muslims dont hate the usa because of what i stated and because of their allience with israel?
cause thats what i said, and you say its absolutely not like that?
No, I referred to you saying it's as simple as that. Because it is absolutely not that simple. What you explained is only part of the picture and accounts only for the reasons of a fraction of muslim extremists.


everything i said in my post was historically correct, and its not what they teach in school.
It may not be what they teach you in school and it may be historically correct for the most part, but it still is not the whole picture and not the one single reason for every islamic terrorist act. You have to keep in mind that individual reasons and historical developments are diverse. The fact that there is too much sugar in many foods affect many Americans in many different ways, giving many different personal reasons as to why to prefer not to eat sugar or at least to eat less sugar. Same thing goes for reasons built on historical developments. Sugar is in burgers as well as in sweets. Some don't eat sugar because of diabetes. They'll probably eat less sweets. Doesn't mean everyone eating less sugar won't eat any sweets anymore. Some will probably just cut back on burgers, because they're not diabetic but sporty.

sorry you dont like it.
I don't see history as "like" and "don't like". I'm not a politician or some extremist. I was a historian until last month.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Serial murderers, rapist don't deserve to live.

I don't think you have the right to decide who get's to live and who doesn't.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

...what does that have to do with let's say IRA terrorism in Britain?...

It has nothing to do with it at all. You obviously missed the point of my previous post, which was addressing a statement that the US is the (apparent singular) target of Islamic terrorism simply because of an "imperialistic" attitude. And my rebuttal was that there are several places around the world that experience Islamic terrorism to one degree or another that are driven by neither anger towards the US, nor attitudes about imperialism.

Islamic terrorism has occurred in the places I listed before, such as India, Turkey, UK, Spain, the Philippines, etc... and are not motivated by hatred of US "imperialism." You should probably read the statement a person is making before you try to act as a counterpoint to that statement, or simply stay out of the conversation altogether.

India:
Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen
Main article: Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh
In Bangladesh the group Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh was formed sometime in 1998 and gained prominence on 20 May 2001 when 25 petrol bombs and documents detailing the activities of the organization were discovered and eight of its members were arrested in Parbatipur in Dinajpur district. The organization was officially banned in February 2005 after attacks on NGOs, but struck back in August when 300 bombs were detonated almost simultaneously throughout Bangladesh. Dhaka international airport, government buildings and major hotels were targeted.

Europe:
See also: Al-Qaeda involvement in Europe
Major lethal attacks on civilians in Europe credited to Islamist terrorism include the 1985 El Descanso bombing in Madrid, the 1995 Paris Metro bombings, 11 March 2004 bombings of commuter trains in Madrid, where 191 people were killed and 2,050 wounded, and the 7 July 2005 London bombings, also of public transport, which killed 52 commuters and injured 700. In terms of arrests, out of a total of 1,009 arrested terror suspects in 2008, 187 of them were arrested in relation to Islamist terrorism. The report also showed that the majority of Islamist terror suspects were not first generation immigrants, but were rather children of immigrants who no longer identified with the culture of their parents and at the same time felt excluded from Western society, "which still perceives them as foreigners," thus they became "more attracted to the idea of becoming ‘citizens’ of the virtual worldwide Islamic community, removed from territory and national culture."

Russia
Main article: Terrorism in Russia
Politically motivated attacks on civilians in Russia have been traced to separatist sentiment among Muslims in its Caucasus region, particularly Chechnya. Russia's two biggest terrorist attacks both came from Muslim groups. In the Moscow theater hostage crisis at a theater in Moscow in October 2002, the Chechnyan separatist "Special Purpose Islamic Regiment" took an estimated 850 people hostage. 39 hostage-takers were killed by Spetsnaz troops and at least 129 hostages died during the rescue, all but one killed by the chemicals used to subdue the attackers. Whether this attack would more properly be called a nationalist rather than an Islamist attack is in question.
In the September 2004 Beslan school hostage crisis 1,200 schoolchildren and adults were taken hostage after "School Number One" secondary school in Beslan, North Ossetia-Alania was overrun by the "Caucasus Caliphate Jihad" led by Shamil Basayev. As many as 500 died, including 186 children. According to the only surviving attacker, Nur-Pashi Kulayev, the choice of a school and the targeting of mothers and young children by the attackers was done in hopes of generating a maximum of outrage and igniting a wider war in the Caucasus with the ultimate goal of establishing an Islamic Emirate across the whole of the North Caucasus.

Turkey
Turkish Hezbollah
Main article: Turkish Hezbollah
Unrelated to the Shia Hezbollah of Lebanon, this Sunni terrorist group has been credited with the assassination of Diyarbakır police chief Gaffar Okkan, and the November 2003 bombings of two synagogues, the British consulate in Istanbul and HSBC bank headquarters, killing 58 and wounding several hundred.

North Africa
Main article: Armed Islamic Group
The Armed Islamic Group, active in Algeria between 1992 and 1998, was one of the most violent Islamic terrorist groups, and is thought to have takfired the Muslim population of Algeria. Its campaign to overthrow the Algerian government included civilian massacres, which sometimes wiping out entire villages in its area of operation (see List of Algerian massacres of the 1990s; notably the Bentalha massacre and Rais massacre, among others.) It also targeted foreigners living in Algeria killing more than 100 expatriate men and women in the country. The group's favored technique was the kidnapping of victims and slitting their throats although it also used assassination by gun and bombings, including car bombs. Outside of Algeria, the GIA established a presence in France, Belgium, Britain, Italy and the United States. In recent years it has been eclipsed by a splinter group, The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), now called Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb.

Southeast Asia
Main article: Abu Sayyaf
The Abu Sayyaf Group also known as al-Harakat al-Islamiyya is one of several militant Islamist separatist groups based in and around the southern islands of the Philippines, in Bangsamoro (Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao) where for almost 30 years various Muslim groups have been engaged in an insurgency for a state, independent of the predominantly Christian Philippines. The name of the group is derived from the Arabic ابو, abu ("father of") and sayyaf ("Swordsmith").
Since its inception in the early 1990s, the group has carried out bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, rapes, and extortion in their fight for an independent Islamic state in western Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago with the stated goal of creating a pan-Islamic superstate across southeast Asia, spanning from east to west; the island of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago, the island of Borneo (Malaysia, Indonesia), the South China Sea, and the Malay Peninsula (Peninsular Malaysia, Thailand and Myanmar).

And that's not to mention Israel, Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on... Other places where Muslims are killing Israelis and other Muslims, not American "imperialists."
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

It has nothing to do with it at all. You obviously missed the point of my previous post, which was addressing a statement that the US is the (apparent singular) target of Islamic terrorism simply because of an "imperialistic" attitude. And my rebuttal was that there are several places around the world that experience Islamic terrorism to one degree or another that are driven by neither anger towards the US, nor attitudes about imperialism.

Islamic terrorism has occurred in the places I listed before, such as India, Turkey, UK, Spain, the Philippines, etc... and are not motivated by hatred of US "imperialism." You should probably read the statement a person is making before you try to act as a counterpoint to that statement, or simply stay out of the conversation altogether.


And that's not to mention Israel, Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on... Other places where Muslims are killing Israelis and other Muslims, not American "imperialists."

I'm not missing the point, but you're argument seems misplaced. You made a rebuttal where none was necessary, making it look as if you were disagreeing with vodkazvictim, even as what you said wasn't a counterpoint to what he said. You merely expanded the focus. He said, that the US are the "victim" of terrorism because of their "imperialistic attitude". You answered in an ironic tone that other countries or regions are also suffering terrorism for different reasons. But there is no rebuttal, to be exact, because you're a victim of your own Socratic irony. You seconded him with a counterpoint. That's what I pointed out.
Terrorism exists out of diverse reasons. That other countries are targeted even though they don't have "imperialistic attitudes" doesn't invalidate that the US may be targeted because of their "imperialistic attitude".
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

ok shind fair enough.
of course what i posted is not the entire reason for the hatred many muslims have for the west.
for the problems, for the daily bombings by them all over the world.
so yeah its not as simple as that.
i do believe that it is the major reason, more so than any other reason.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

Couple Questions:
A. Was he convicted of a crime?
B. Is he going to prison?

If the answer is yes to both those questions, STFU and quit your bitching.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

This shows what the Obama administration is capable of, sacrificing the nation's safety and making sentences for dangerous criminals who have blood on their hands considerably less important than what they must be. Too bad that people like this guy weren't executed with a bullet in the head.
 

roronoa3000

Banned
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

^ As opposed to Bush administration. Put in prison and throw away the key, damn lack of evidence.
 
Re: Over 6 years in prison until trial, charged with 285 acts of terrorism cleared of

I'm sure this guy is a peace loving hippie kind of guy who never did anything wrong...

And if you believe that, I've got a business deal of a lifetime for ya!
 
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