One question to anti-porn feminists.

SabrinaDeep

Official Checked Star Member
Without the feminist movement women would still be subservient, seen and not heard, and looked at in the same light as children and other minorities, fortunately enough of those minorities have been fighting back long enough that more people enjoy more freedom, liberty and equality in this country than ever before, but there's still a long way to go.

The nazis were the first to ban vivisection. I don't think that's enough to praise them. Feminists have done as much damage as good (more bad than good i say), but of course the damage is always taken out of the picture. Beside, what you say is pretty arguable and it shows once again the arrogance of the feminist movement: whoever fought or fight for women rights they must be feminists. Wrong.
Saluting as a conquest the appointment of unskilled and unfit for the job women in any positions in society is the orgasm of any feminist, radical and not. If you disagree, try and ask any non radical feminist. Feminism and moderation are antonyms. There cannot be moderation in dogmas. When you fight for one side, you fight against the other side. Words must have a weight or otherwise it should be explained why all and i mean all the feminists privilege the word feminist above the word egalitarian. Fe-mi-nism If it's not a sexist word, i don't know what else it is.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
One of the problems is that it is impossible in the current hyper-sensitive, politically correct environment to scrutinize, question, doubt or criticize a radical feminist without (instantly) being the target of charges of sexism and misogyny. It's as if a page has been taken out of the Zionist book on how to shut down an argument involving aid to Israel: accuse anyone who doesn't support Zionism and/or Israeli aid of being an anti-Semite and/or a Nazi sympathizer and you win. The feminists argument often relies on that exact same tactic. And that's why so few will venture into a losing argument, where any sort of hare-brained feminist position should be up for possible discussion - better just to leave it alone. And if you do go there, you better choose your words very carefully, because they will be picked over with a fine tooth comb. As the extreme beliefs of radical feminism from 20-30 years ago (Wolf, MacKinnon, et al) have worked their way into the popular culture of what's "normal" or acceptable, the overall movement has adopted beliefs that many would say are no longer about achieving equality, but about achieving special treatment. The feminist drive (not just the radical wing) to classify women as a politically and legally "protected class" is but one example of that. "Sex" (but not "gender") was already a protected category. But Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein, among others, pushed to make women (specifically) a protected class. Is that equality or is that special treatment? In my book, it's special treatment. If every little societal niche has special rules that apply to it, what sort of a disjointed, confused society are we going to have? Kind of what we have now, but worse? :dunno:

Take a look at things that are representative of pop culture, as I believe they're often indicative of where society is going. Look at half a dozen or so TV commercials, where there are male and female characters. I believe that you will notice a very common theme. I'm not advocating that women should always be portrayed as sex objects or bimbos. But I find it rather curious that in the majority of commercials, the male will be portrayed as the idiot, the boob or the object of humiliation and derision and the woman is there to save the day. The female will be portrayed as strong. The male will be portrayed as weak. I never took women's studies courses in school (or as some are now titled "womyn's studies"), but from being around people who did, many of the things being taught 30 years ago were weird to me. Now, those things are considered normal. And other than the rad feminists, who refuse to wear tampons and like offending people with menstrual blood running down their legs and the foul smell, I'm guessing that the things considered weird, extreme or radical now, will be considered pretty normal 30 years from now... assuming we stay on the same "progressive" social path that we're on now.

I just think it's too bad that there are people who rely on making someone else look weak so that they can make believe that they are strong. And it's too bad that women and men, who actually have worked for equality, have been shouted down and marginalized by people who are not tuned into reality. And this isn't just happening on gender related issues. If anyone wants to get a laugh (or a cry), take a look at some of the oddball things going on at Harvard Law School and the University of California system - and I'm sad to say, what happened at my alma mater during the shameful Jackie Coakley affair. Where once there was a long standing, 175 year old honor code, which applied to everyone, because Jackie Coakley's elaborate lie involved rape, she was given a complete pass. And a university president, who was installed based on gender politics, having no previous ties to UVA, spent her time trying to destroy the fraternity system at the university (she only went after fraternities, but not sororities ;)), and not trying to get to the truth. Teresa Sullivan has been as silent as a church mouse since her political "tool" was exposed as a blatant liar. Sullivan has been a rolling disaster since she started, should have never been hired and should now be fired - but that is impossible to even discuss. That, I know from personal experience. Different rules for different people seems to be where we are headed.

Great post Rey, and I don't argue what you're saying, in fact I said the exact same thing above;

Radical Feminism doesn't deserve to be elevated to such a degree that when people think of the feminist movement Radical Feminism is what they think of because Radical Feminism isn't about equality, it's about domination and that's not ok, Feminists should reject Radical Feminism, if they really want to remain true to why the movement started and what the movement is truly about.

I get no personal benefit from supporting feminists, be they radical, or whatever, I'm a forty-something white man, I know I have all the advantages and don't mind utilizing them on a daily basis. Radical Feminists have become more mainstream but they're still not the majority within the feminist movement, although it's natural that they've become more vocal as the taboos have been removed and lesbianism accepted as somewhat normal, I believe the core foundation of the feminist movement, to affect positive change for women and promote equality, is a good thing. Yes, as Sabrina said there's been just as much bad as good and everyone should work to moderate the radical tone of the most fanatic of the radical feminist movement, but to say the radical feminists have taken over the movement is intellectually dishonest and to leverage resistance to a good thing, i.e., the feminist movement overall, to push an anti-feminist agenda deserves to be challenged.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I don't disagree with your position on this, Xfire.

But I don't see many signs that women and men who just want equal treatment will get as much play (in the media) as the ones who either agree with or give a complete pass to radical, nonsensical feminism. They may have the numbers over rad feminazis, but they do not have the voice or the influence. I don't see that changing, simply because of the people who are behind the rad fems and the positions of power and influence that these people hold. It's all about "training" our society to accept certain ideas and concepts, while rejecting others. You can say certain things about certain people, but you can't say those same things about certain other people. It's political correctness on steroids now. So as popular culture accepts or embraces the misandry (which curiously enough, is not even a recognized word in my spell check dictionary, but "misogyny" is ;)) which is inherent in the radical feminist movement, our society will begin (has begun) to look increasingly like Animal Farm: All animals are equal... but some are more equal.
 
I thought the question was going to be, Can you show me your tits?
 
So,


http://www.playboy.com/articles/no-...utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=em_hero_button#.

next thing they will do is to believe this "everything about beauty" bullshit:

https://www.sokos.fi/fi/sokos/myymalat/emotion/


Can Sokos Emotion's products and services do results like this on any woman?

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http://www.seiska.fi/Viihdeuutiset/...likonit-26-litraa-pelkkaa-povea-kuvat/1024886




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I doubt. This happening was more honest,

http://www.messukeskus.com/Sites4/Iloveme2015/en/Pages/default.aspx


there was even an opportunity to feel what breast implants really feel like.

But as I have mentioned earlier, eguality is very important human right,

http://www.eugenics.net/papers/Q&a.html

when possible.

So, Mr. Hof should employ also some male sex workers for ladies to
brothels he owns

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/entrepreneurs/dennis-hof-net-worth/
 

thexflash

Platinum Member
Coming to feminism I would call myself a feminist any day, regarding equal rights, wage, duties, etc, etc.

But the case is that the female looks and body is a sexual trigger for men AND most women, gay, bi OR straight, and that's a simple fact, not a cultural thing we have created!
Moralistic agendas on porn is just so much bullshit. If you would complain about anything then blame Disney and all toy stores for stereotyping the shit out of us from childhood.
Nah, if a woman (or man for that matter) wants to do porn, sell sex, be a stripper, or just a full out raging slut - let her/him! The more we ban stuff, the shadier it will get.

Prostitution and sex work is not the problem. If you've been pushed in that direction against your will then something else in the line has broken before that. Don't let that ruin it for those that actually does is of their own free will. Get the pimps and the trafficking people, not the girls or the Johns - coming to prostitution that is.

Me being a Swede, it is really hard to speak up about this. I would probably consider myself on the left path of the political specta, but the left has such a wicked view on sex and sex work. Anything about sexuality regarding the female stereotype is considered sexism. So what if I feel good and happy watching girls stripping/having sex - that doesn't hurt anyone! I still respect and consider women my equals, those against it is the ones taking away womens rights to be what they want!

Fuck free, drop your clothes, be a slut, do it load and do it proud! Don't let raging out-of-bound-feminists or right wing moralistic religious dumb nuts ruin it for you!
And strike HARD on traffickers and pimps pushing girls and women to do stuff tehy don't wanna do! Period!

I wish this picture was true for me, but I seriously can't speak of these things to my friends and family without being labeled a lunatic sexist prick...
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