Obama's approval rate drops......

The right-wingers would disapprove of anything to the left of Cheney, so screw them.

The problem Obama has is that he's losing his liberal and very liberal voters - FAST.
 
Good and real reform shouldn't have to come at the expense of anyone's happiness.

That's the false demon too many people fall for; legislation can't be good because some constituency is happy.

If they are happy that would seem to silence some of the phony opposition critics who claimed incessantly that private insurance companies would be run out of business.

Ideally all parties should be happy for coherent reform since it saves all involved...insurance companies don't stand a long term shot with the way the current system is..:2 cents:

BTW....the US congress crafts law. If they can't get effective law ******..it's the leaders of the congress who bear most of the blame.

I think that was part of the problem. The WH never got specific with the bill. They tried to learn from the mistakes of ’93 and didn’t want to come across as dictating the legislation. But I think they want too far the other way and let Congress develop the bill and never put forward the “must haves” in the bill.

Also the WH got completely out worked and out coached in the field. They put together OFA that a year ago and that was supposed to be able to combat right’s paid grass roots effort, but OFA has been I miserable failure IMO.
 
I think that was part of the problem. The WH never got specific with the bill. They tried to learn from the mistakes of ’93 and didn’t want to come across as dictating the legislation. But I think they want too far the other way and let Congress develop the bill and never put forward the “must haves” in the bill.

Also the WH got completely out worked and out coached in the field. They put together OFA that a year ago and that was supposed to be able to combat right’s paid grass roots effort, but OFA has been I miserable failure IMO.

The WH doesn't get "specific" with bills. They don't craft legislation.:2 cents:
 
The WH doesn't get "specific" with bills. They don't craft legislation.:2 cents:

Mega I think you’re getting technical on me. (Much like Will E. does when he quotes 8th grade Government class) :1orglaugh: :tongue:

Almost every major piece of legislation is dictated to the Congress by the WH. That was certainly true when the R’s controlled things in W’s first term. It was certainly true under Reagan.
 
Dictate might be too strong a word,but for sure they have a lot of input and can and usually do lay out what they eithier must have or cannot have in any bill.Presidents do have the veto,so unless congress has two thirds to override they must pay attention to the WH.IMO Obama has failed to really use the bully pulpit on the health reform issue effectively.He needed to be out a lot holding rallies and speaking out against the vested interests working against it.If he had those interests probably would have not had the negative effect they have had on the legislation.
 
Mega I think you’re getting technical on me. (Much like Will E. does when he quotes 8th grade Government class) :1orglaugh: :tongue:

Almost every major piece of legislation is dictated to the Congress by the WH. That was certainly true when the R’s controlled things in W’s first term. It was certainly true under Reagan.

Dictate might be too strong a word,but for sure they have a lot of input and can and usually do lay out what they eithier must have or cannot have in any bill.Presidents do have the veto,so unless congress has two thirds to override they must pay attention to the WH.IMO Obama has failed to really use the bully pulpit on the health reform issue effectively.He needed to be out a lot holding rallies and speaking out against the vested interests working against it.If he had those interests probably would have not had the negative effect they have had on the legislation.

The congress crafts and passes legislative agenda they reasonably believe will be signed into law by whomever is in the WH based on their (sitting POTUS's) stated agenda.:2 cents:
 
I'm actually a bad one to ask because I've been against NAFTA and CAFTA. While I side with Libertarians on most issues and Free Market advocates on many issues, free trade and favored nation trade status has never worked for me. So, unfortunately, I can't argue with you there.

Our trade status has been majorly fucked since Nixon. That's why I'm writing this on a Japanese computer manufactured in China, which is sitting on a table made in Taiwan. My girl's ****** in the bed right next to me. I can almost guarantee that the blanket and pillow she's on was made in China or Honduras.

With domestic policies, however, I'm pretty much by "the book." I have tremendous admiration and respect for Paul, but I never worshiped him and never found him without fault.

I thought this was a valid vid clip to bring up, since it came out today and addresses the concerns that others have about China's willingness to rig international trade. You may agree with DiMicco, as I do. And possibly Ron Paul would agree with him too. But I can say with full confidence that the Club for Growth would not agree with DiMicco's position. They seem to be a group that favors free trade, even when it's known that the game is rigged on the other side, and it is not FAIR, free trade.

As many complain about the growing overall deficit, I will point out that one component of that is the Current Account (Surplus or Deficit). As the CfG claims to be in favor of fiscal responsibility, they seem unable to realize (or perhaps they do realize, and their position is disingenuous) that unfair, free trade leads to larger federal deficits. Trade wars are not good for anyone. But what war is? At some point, either a nation decides to look out for its own citizens before worrying about others, or it begins to crumble into an historical footnote. Does anyone really care what the Greeks or Italians (Romans) have to say these days? :dunno:

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A very good editorial opinion on Obama...

Mr. President, where is the passion?

By Neal Gabler | December 20, 2009

WELL, THAT was fast. Though past presidential candidates were elected with a larger percentage of votes, it is fair to say that no modern president reached office with a greater outpouring of sentiment, enthusiasm, and passion than Barack Obama. Supporters felt this was a landmark election, not only because Obama was African-American but also because he promised a different kind of presidency. They actually believed he would make good on his campaign slogan. Finally, change that would matter.

It didn’t take long for the disillusion to set in, especially among those on the left who had been Obama’s most ardent admirers. Where they had expected a full-throttle presidency, undoing what George W. Bush had done, what they got instead is a timorous one. In 1988, Democratic presidential candidate Michael Dukakis pronounced that the election was not about ideology but about competence. Now we have the presidency that Dukakis promised. It is cautious, deliberative, reasonable, experienced, not terribly ideological and entirely competent - very different from George W. Bush’s government of ideologues, cronies, and hacks.

But there is one big thing that the administration lacks: passion. It is hard to remember a presidency that was as passionless as this one is - a presidency that puts down no markers, draws no lines in the sand, makes no stand. That, even more than the compromises themselves, may be what really riles Obama’s old supporters. It is that he doesn’t seem ******** by the compromise. Simply put, Obama seems to be missing the passion gene.

Other presidents compromised without incurring wrath. Think of Kennedy. But Obama acts as if he were a Solomon who always chooses to cut the baby in half. He was adamant about a public option in any health care bill, but if there wasn’t one, no big deal. He was devoted to closing the prison at Guantanamo, but if there is a ruckus about it, no big deal in keeping it open a while longer. He was firm that America had to take a more realistic approach to the efficacy of its military power, but if General McChrystal wants more troops in Afghanistan, no big deal. It is no wonder that Obama’s old supporters don’t see this as change you can believe in. It is change you can believe will always be compromised.

It is not that President Obama, faced with his own political realities, failed to translate the passion of his election into a tidal wave that could carry his policies forward. It is that he never seemed to try because he never wanted to stir that passion. We knew he wasn’t a firebrand. He wasn’t going to be a Ted Kennedy, providing a voice for the voiceless or power for the powerless. He seemed uncomfortable in that role. But what few seemed to foresee is just how diffident he would be, how unmoved he seems to be, at least publicly, by the plight of the jobless, those who are struggling to afford health care, or the soldiers who must fight our battles. You wonder what, if anything, can really get his dander up, which is not a good thing to wonder.

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Bailing out the banks so that we don't literally have breadlines and innercity warfare among between those with jobs and those without jobs was a good thing.

The Banks fighting tooth-n-nail to use bailout money to protect bonuses = bad.

The fact that we instituted TARP and didn't bother (as of yet) to backfill TARP with NEW REGULATIONS to protect against the next pump/dump bubble economy = worse.

Obama giving up on a public option waters down any healthcare reform. Mandating people to pay for insurance is okay if it's for a gov't plan, not for just another private, for profit plan administered by corporations....
 
Correct 2001-2003 it was a 50/50 tie, but Cheny was the deciding factor on votes if it was close.

2003-2005 it was GOP controlled, but that stoped in 2006 where it is not Dem controlled.

So technically only 2 years it was a true GOP congress.

Talk about fucking splitting hairs.

So in other words, the GOP controlled the house, senate and exec from 2000-2006, since Cheney viewed the Vice Presidency as a part of the legislative branch.

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Talk about revisionist history.
 
I don't know why so many pornstars are conservative. If the GOP had its way the entire porn industry would be shut down. Does anyone not believe that? Seriously.

I guess every conservative person thinks by grabbing the label "Libertarian" or "Constitution" it allows them to toss aside whatever they choose to :dunno:
 
Here are a few people allowed to vote, legal or not:

The blade cuts both ways on your point - people are dumb because we removed civics from public education 40 years ago:

Tea Party Protests, Washington, DC:
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Sarah Palin Book signing line:
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Here are some of your Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck viewers, some of the most misinformed voting idiots I've ever had the displeasure to view.
 
• The deficit hits record highs*

It almost hits "record highs" ever year especially thanks to inflation.

Under Ford in 1976 the debt was 650 billion
Carter increased to 900 billion
Reagan increased it to 2.75 trillion
Bush 1 to 4 trillion
Clinton to 5.6 trillion
Bush 2 to almost 10.7 trillion
So far Obama to 12 trillion

Also did you know, adjusted for inflation, the 1942 national debt was the equivalent of 10 trillion dollars today (it was 72 Billion then)?
 
I'm not too thrilled with the health care bill either. It's a pretty half assed thing. It's pretty sad when the political will for something that important is that lacking. I think we go out of our way to try to be the embarrassment of the world sometimes. Somebody should go congratulate the insurance companies, they won.
 
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FYI, just to get this thread back on track, BHO to end his first year with these numbers, hot off the press:

"25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-six percent (46%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21, the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President."

At least he's still higher than Congress, which has hovered in the 20%s since 2007. It still amazes me with such strong opposition, the Congressional "leaders" and the President still dare to claim they are "doing the people's will." :cool:
 
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I thought the Dems were supposed to be on the side of the consumer/"little guy" :dunno: All that was accomplished was removing the existing condition denial clause; nothing about actually addressing costs and ************ **** costs.

We could've mandated that the private sector come up with 3 Tiers: Barebones, Regular, Premium and the barebones plan runs $20/month per person and qualifies a person for (basic healthcare--nothing like a heart transplant); Regular ($40/month) gets a person a lot more with a severe price reduction on the heart transplant; Premium ($100/month) gets a person everything except gender change surgery and cosmetic surgery.

I guess if people actually had a choice like this they would always choose the Barebones option everytime...
 
At least he's still higher than Congress, which has hovered in the 20%s since 2007. It still amazes me with such strong opposition, the Congressional "leaders" and the President still dare to claim they are "doing the people's will." :cool:

I agree. They are doing the GOP's will basically...or the Sarah Palin/Joe the Plumber/Rural American's will....

When they start acting like actual Democrats the numbers will go up.
 
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