Obama supporters losing their faith?

[YMIHERE]

Obama supporters live in the real world and use logic. The Republicans and the Tea Party live in a faith based alternate universe so only they can lose faith.

:tongue:

 

[Jack Davenport]

Obama is just burying his head and bulldozing along with his agenda. He basically has lost the independent supporters. They are the most fickle of the lot.

The only hope he has for a second term is that the Republicans take over congress. Americans are ready for a little gridlock again.

 

[Trident1]

Obama supporters live in the real world and use logic.
:tongue:

:rofl:

 

[dp93]

i guess that joker picture of Obama really is true

 

[vodkazvictim]

Obama was a nice idea. Full of promise.
We are simply still waiting for delivery on so many of those promises. I know things aren't easy, but lets face it, he could certainly have done more banker-spanking.

 

[Jagger69]

The part about the system being ...broken. I don't think the system is broken just because sycophants from either side are able to spin an ignorant electorate.

In fact, it's just the opposite. What's broken is an electorate too lazy or incorrigible to find truth or reason in issues in age where there's unprecedented access to information.

Ahhhh....there's the difference. You don't consider a lazy, ill-informed, self-absorbed, narrow-minded and polarized electorate to be part of the system whereas I consider it to be an absolutely integral part of the system. How can you have a political system without the people being governed being a part of it? It's not ultimately the politicians' fault things are so fucked-up. After all, we've allowed it to get this way....condoned it in fact. Oh yes, we are definitely part of the system.

 

[Hot Mega]

Ahhhh....there's the difference. You don't consider a lazy, ill-informed, self-absorbed, narrow-minded and polarized electorate to be part of the system whereas I consider it to be an absolutely integral part of the system. How can you have a political system without the people being governed being a part of it? It's not ultimately the politicians' fault things are so fucked-up. After all, we've allowed it to get this way....condoned it in fact. Oh yes, we are definitely part of the system.

That's why I only said I tend to disagree because we just disagree on what part of the system is broken and what is needed to fix it.

Beyond an incorrigible, ill informed, lazy electorate...the system is perfect..or at least the best it can be.

Now there are some parts that don't work as well as intended because of that part being broken. But the overall machine is as fine a system as you can have.

Point being, in our system (or the one we're willing to have) unless that part gets fixed nothing else you could do would matter.

I.e. you could elect a guy who has all the promise in the universe but if you have an electorate to lazy to figure out how unemployment has historically performed in these situations in order to have some clue how long things (can) take to turn....they may begin to erroneous question policy the first time a sycophant throws them a line of spin.

Or lose faith because they hear a bunch of talking heads claim the stimulus didn't work when in fact it hasn't been fully implement.

(Among other things.)

 

[Jagger69]

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Until you can take special interests, graft and corruption, bribes and kickbacks, influence peddling, money being the determining factor in "buying" a political office like it was a box of cereal....I could go on....out of the equation, it is far from perfect. I agree that, on paper, it is as fine a political system as there is. It's in the practical application in today's world that it breaks down and breaks down badly.

 

[MIA34]

I think it's funny people can talk about Obama and changing the world on freeones.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I think it's funny people can talk about Obama and changing the world on freeones.

I think the woman in your avatar wouldn't be smiling so happily if she knew the thoughts I was having about her...

 

[Red Spyder]

Obama is just burying his head and bulldozing along with his agenda. He basically has lost the independent supporters. They are the most fickle of the lot.

The only hope he has for a second term is that the Republicans take over congress. Americans are ready for a little gridlock again.

Now that seems to be very true. I think it is the independents who voted for him...sorry, Him, who are losing their faith. Those who for whatever reason believe in the same ideals He has are going to continue supporting him to the end. Let's say for the sake of argument that his policies are disastrous, that the unemployment rate keeps climbing and gets to icking a number out of thin air: 25%, from the about 5% it was when W left office, that inflation also skyrockets, that we see as much or more economic malaise as the 1970's during the Ford/Carter era, His believers, not supporters but believers, will continue blaming everything on Bush and will continue insisting that "evil ol' W" left such a mess that not even the wisest, most well intentioned and most compassionate man in the history of mankind...sorry again, libs, personkind can fix them.

Anyway, this column kind of got my attention, just a little teasing quote here:

We are all getting poorer in hopes that a few don't get richer.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/23/a_nation_of_peasants_107275.html

 

[Hot Mega]

Now that seems to be very true. I think it is the independents who voted for him...sorry, Him, who are losing their faith. Those who for whatever reason believe in the same ideals He has are going to continue supporting him to the end. Let's say for the sake of argument that his policies are disastrous, that the unemployment rate keeps climbing and gets to icking a number out of thin air: 25%, from the about 5% it was when W left office, that inflation also skyrockets, that we see as much or more economic malaise as the 1970's during the Ford/Carter era, His believers, not supporters but believers, will continue blaming everything on Bush and will continue insisting that "evil ol' W" left such a mess that not even the wisest, most well intentioned and most compassionate man in the history of mankind...sorry again, libs, personkind can fix them.

Anyway, this column kind of got my attention, just a little teasing quote here:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/23/a_nation_of_peasants_107275.html

The unemployment rate was 7.6 pct. and climbing when Bush left office. It continued to rise and the rate went as high as 10.4 9 months into Obama's first year and has fallen to where it is now.:2 cents:

Unemployment has been rising since Clinton handed Bush a 3 or 4 pct. u/e rate.

 

[ballzano]

The unemployment rate was 7.6 pct. and climbing when Bush left office. It continued to rise and the rate went as high as 10.4 9 months into Obama's first year and has fallen to where it is now.:2 cents:

Unemployment has been rising since Clinton handed Bush a 3 or 4 pct. u/e rate.

huh? what? Unemployment rates are based off of how many people are actively looking for work, with unemployment benefits being extended and jobs not available people are not looking. And not being counted. And the jobs that were created, were not private sector jobs... awe screw it i'm gonna watch the southpark episodes on imagination land it's a better version of what the holy prophits administration is spewing.

 

[teddream]

What Faith are you talking off?
Ted

 

[Hot Mega]

huh? what? Unemployment rates are based off of how many people are actively looking for work, with unemployment benefits being extended and jobs not available people are not looking.

You have to be looking for work in order to collect unemployment don't you??

Because of the unemployment ins. tax and SS tax the number of people employed is knowable. Actually the extension of u/e benefits makes the number of known unemployed more accurate because people are reporting their status on their claims for every check...right?

If you're not looking for work, you're not unemployed. A housewife isn't considered unemployed.

You could argue that the number is higher if a substantial number had fallen off unemployment ins. rolls and thereby not having an apparatus to report their status but that's not the case.

And not being counted. And the jobs that were created, were not private sector jobs...

The stimulus provided funding for private sector contract work.:2 cents:

awe screw it i'm gonna watch the southpark episodes on imagination land it's a better version of what the holy prophits administration is spewing.

I agree...you probably should.

 

[ballzano]

^^^ actually, the stimulus.......the first one was a promise, that unemployment would not go past a certain point.. It did.... the great prophet OBAMA cound not stop it....sorry hm that you believed.....and the reason the unemployment rate is higher than it actually is.... When one's benefits actuallly do expire (unenployment that is) there is no reason to reapply, your benefits have expired. so states like michigan for instance the unemployment rate could be a few points higher

 

[ballzano]

^^^ actually, the stimulus.......the first one was a promise, that unemployment would not go past a certain point.. It did.... the great prophet OBAMA cound not stop it....sorry hm that you believed.....and the reason the unemployment rate is higher than it actually is.... When one's benefits actuallly do expire (unenployment that is) there is no reason to reapply, your benefits have expired. so states like michigan for instance the unemployment rate could be a few points higher

but more important, and on topic. How does Obama really answer this question ? He doesn't he stubles and falters..

 

[ballzano]

I'm really shocked the dems didn't say say was a plant, by the evil neo-cons....hehe cheney's love child probibly.

 

[Hot Mega]

^^^ actually, the stimulus.......the first one was a promise, that unemployment would not go past a certain point.. It did.... the great prophet OBAMA cound not stop it....sorry hm that you believed

That's true. Obama and his econ team erroneously claimed the stimulus would prevent U/E from exceeding a certain pct.

But don't be sorry for me...I wasn't the who he was trying to convince. I also have the common sense to know if the financial system was bankrupt and the autos were bankrupt when he took office, there is no way U/E would not go higher based on past, similar circumstances. But there is no question that Obama's actions made an already bad situation less worse.

.....and the reason the unemployment rate is higher than it actually is.... When one's benefits actuallly do expire (unenployment that is) there is no reason to reapply, your benefits have expired. so states like michigan for instance the unemployment rate could be a few points higher

It could but the way U/E has been determined is the same way it was determined when Reagan was in office. At this same point in RR's term U/E was still rising heading for 10.8 2 and a half years after he took office.

U/E topped off at 10.4 pct. 9 months after Obama took office and has come down to where it is.

Besides that...unless you disappear...if you're anywhere else in the system (i.e. general assistance) you are still counted in the U/E rate.

 

[HELLRAISER]

man you really are clueless to reality sometimes.
As if clinton and the democrat senate and the latter democrat congress has no responsibilty for the situation.
And as if people are blaming obamer for it, and because he's black?
get real.

Since you are the one who is really clueless here you should refrain from falsely accusing others of being clueless when they are in fact in touch with reality. If you truly care to know why our economy is in the gutter rather than blaming Obama or Clinton, watch this educational video so you can get schooled and get a clue:

George Carlin on Education and Who Owns America

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/894932/