New Zealand Shooting

[meesterperfect]

Conspiracy theories aside I did think the rush to have the video taken down from social media (led by the print & tv media) was a bit rich and smacked.more.of jealous that they hadn't got their hands (ownership) on it first. These same media outlets couldn't get close enough to the action when other atrocities have been committed. Double standards if you ask me.

And I agree about the irony of people getting 10 years for sending a video but other rotten bastards only getting token sentences for heinous crimes.

And i can't believe it took 5 days for a thread to start on this.

That's my fault Harpsman. Nobody a wanna deal a with a the crazy conspiracy guy a no more.
Yeah. No, but we all have fun with it each time.

You are correct about that rush to have the video wiped from the entire worldwide internet for sure. I mean the entire mass media, every single outlet which calls itself news came right out of the gate with "How do we stop this stuff from getting out?" "How do we prevent videos like this from happening again" All the big news channels had internet experts ready to rock instantly.
I mean fuck the dead human beings and the weekly MASS KILLINGS, its the videos that we must put a stop to.
Instantly, simultaneously from the minute this story broke they all have the same exact agenda word for word.
If that's not a pretty haha strong sign of a controlled news media then I don't know what it.

But think that through even more.
An entire worldwide News Media consisting of hundreds of different businesses all come out with the same shit simultaneously.
How is that possible if it was not prepared ahead of time?

The answer: It's not.

Hey do you play the harp? Such a beautiful instrument not just to listen to but to watch being played.

 

[Harpsman]

That's my fault Harpsman. Nobody a wanna deal a with a the crazy conspiracy guy a no more.
Yeah. No, but we all have fun with it each time.

You are correct about that rush to have the video wiped from the entire worldwide internet for sure. I mean the entire mass media, every single outlet which calls itself news came right out of the gate with "How do we stop this stuff from getting out?" "How do we prevent videos like this from happening again" All the big news channels had internet experts ready to rock instantly.
I mean fuck the dead human beings and the weekly MASS KILLINGS, its the videos that we must put a stop to.
Instantly, simultaneously from the minute this story broke they all have the same exact agenda word for word.
If that's not a pretty haha strong sign of a controlled news media then I don't know what it.

But think that through even more.
An entire worldwide News Media consisting of hundreds of different businesses all come out with the same shit simultaneously.
How is that possible if it was not prepared ahead of time?

The answer: It's not.

Hey do you play the harp? Such a beautiful instrument not just to listen to but to watch being played.

Not a player but a fan. Beautiful indeed.

 

[Chopper3000]

I'm sure some American nutcase will out-shoot the Aussie nutcase in due course. It is what the USA does best after all.

 

[bobjustbob]

meester, you know a lot about stuff that happened from people that weren't there. Fake blood, Fake names. Who are these people that give you that information?

 

[pool_hustler]

You are correct about that rush to have the video wiped from the entire worldwide internet for sure. I mean the entire mass media, every single outlet which calls itself news came right out of the gate with "How do we stop this stuff from getting out?"

Are people really this dense??

If members of you family were among the dead would you want their murder being broadcast all over the www, let alone with idiotic comments by the thousands attached about how they didn't actually die?

A second excellent reason to squelch it is because if it's allowed to proliferate copycat killers would no doubt incorporate live streaming murder as a way to greatly heighten their "fame". On the other hand, if they know that isn't going to happen, that removes a potentially significant motivation.

 

[meesterperfect]

1st let's assume it was real.
I will say its real for a minute.
It was real.
So you want to allow governments to begin to censure videos, comments or basically anything they deem "Offensive Content"
I mean right after this Real Event the government of New Zealand blocked many many websites. That is 100% censure ship.
They have also immediately passed a law prohibiting people from viewing and/or saving and/or sharing internet content.
And they have supposedly arrested people for it.
So complete censureship and punishment by jail for not abiding.

And your reasoning is to spare the feelings of people?
I would not like it but I would not expect government to block it or put people in jail for it.
You start passing laws to allow government to decide what is "Objectionable" and you are asking for a world of shit.
Freedom of speech is for all speech, not just popular speech.
They already control almost all the information we have access to, you want to give them 100% control of that? Not me.
You want governments to decide what information you have access to. You want governments to be the only ones allowed to put out information.

Now if we may assume its fake. That all these mass killings are phony fake shows and I have been right the whole time.
Is that all they need to do?
Create a false flag hoax situation, tell you its real, then use that fake show to pass more and more laws? To spend more and more money?
This "Terror business" is huge and generates mega millions of dollars every year.

People like you see these things everyday and think the world is going crazy. That we need more laws, more government, more police watching us, when at the end of the day its all state sponsored terrorism designed and created to push certain specific agendas with each one. How anybody can not see this at this point I can't figure out.

Anybody can view the video and the very fake "Aftermath" video on 153news.
If anybody can actually watch them and not see they are completely staged than I can't do nothing about it.
I could break down the video and point out the many thing proving fakery but I'd be wasting my time.

The entire world media was instantly pushing the exact same agenda on this one which is "How do we prevent people viewing internet content?"
That right there should be enough.
And they did prevent it. They forced ISP's to block websites, they forced websites to block content, and they threatened every human being on earth with prison for viewing it. It was a test to see how far they could go. To see how much they can get away with.
And all they had to do was make a shitty fake video and pay a bunch of shitty crises actors.

 

[pool_hustler]

So you want to allow governments to begin to censure videos, comments or basically anything they deem "Offensive Content"

Not "anything". But graphic, grisly violent videos of people's families/loved ones being murdered? Yes. That's a place I'd definitely draw a line. What possible reason other than indulging sick twisted voyeurism is there to broadcast them?


Anybody can view the video and the very fake "Aftermath" video on 153news.
If anybody can actually watch them and not see they are completely staged than I can't do nothing about it.

I watched them and there were a couple of things in the first video that raised questions for me.
The second one I honestly don't know what I'm watching. I know what you're alleging I'm watching but I've seen no official verification of that.

 

[georges]

Not "anything". But graphic, grisly violent videos of people's families/loved ones being murdered? Yes. That's a place I'd definitely draw a line. What possible reason other than indulging sick twisted voyeurism is there to broadcast them?


Anybody can view the video and the very fake "Aftermath" video on 153news.
If anybody can actually watch them and not see they are completely staged than I can't do nothing about it.

I watched them and there were a couple of things in the first video that raised questions for me.
The second one I honestly don't know what I'm watching. I know what you're alleging I'm watching but I've seen no official verification of that.

So you want a government to define what is good for people to see or not? so typical of a socialist government Freedom is what made and makes the US great, not socialism. If you like socialism then go to Venezuela.


At 2:59 PM Guns Were Legal in NZ. At 3:00 PM a Massive Gun Ban Began with Promise of Prison or Fines for Anyone Who Wouldn’t Comply
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/2...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2019-03-21

 

[Harpsman]

Not "anything". But graphic, grisly violent videos of people's families/loved ones being murdered? Yes. That's a place I'd definitely draw a line. What possible reason other than indulging sick twisted voyeurism is there to broadcast them?


Anybody can view the video and the very fake "Aftermath" video on 153news.
If anybody can actually watch them and not see they are completely staged than I can't do nothing about it.

I watched them and there were a couple of things in the first video that raised questions for me.
The second one I honestly don't know what I'm watching. I know what you're alleging I'm watching but I've seen no official verification of that.

Leaving whether it happened or not aside for a minute, my point is that circa 400 people were killed in the twin towers attack on 911. There was no rush to ban the shocking footage let alone jail those circulating it. I'm sure the families of the victims found seeing it horrific. No ban. Why the ban this time?

 

[meesterperfect]

Not "anything". But graphic, grisly violent videos of people's families/loved ones being murdered? Yes. That's a place I'd definitely draw a line. What possible reason other than indulging sick twisted voyeurism is there to broadcast them?


Anybody can view the video and the very fake "Aftermath" video on 153news.
If anybody can actually watch them and not see they are completely staged than I can't do nothing about it.

I watched them and there were a couple of things in the first video that raised questions for me.
The second one I honestly don't know what I'm watching. I know what you're alleging I'm watching but I've seen no official verification of that.

Ok I know I put a lot of words in your mouth in my last post, I apologize for that.
i see your point about drawing the line but I still can't go that far.
I knew a guy who jumped off a radio tower. We were friends and nobody not even his wife (Who was my close friend) saw it coming.
Its on the internet somewhere if one wanted to find it. I haven't seen it and won't. Watching that stuff is a sick voyeurism I agree but making it illegal I can't agree with. Its a touchy issue but I see your point about family.

Leaving whether it happened or not aside for a minute, my point is that circa 400 people were killed in the twin towers attack on 911. There was no rush to ban the shocking footage let alone jail those circulating it. I'm sure the families of the victims found seeing it horrific. No ban. Why the ban this time?

Good point. My answer would be because internet censure ship wasn't on the agenda for 9/11 ( Yes I believe 9/11 was an inside job).
Again I will point out how instantaneous and strong the push to censure the video was by the entire MSM around the world. Seemed almost planned. But then again every one of these has that same element.
It didn't take a couple of days, it was instant.

Well Well Well
New Zealand took 3 days to ban assault rifles. Here's how long it took the US to act after mass shootings
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/us/new-zealand-vs-us-mass-shootings-gun-laws-trnd/index.html

Shame on you USA.

 

[meesterperfect]

So you want a government to define what is good for people to see or not? so typical of a socialist government Freedom is what made and makes the US great, not socialism. If you like socialism then go to Venezuela.


At 2:59 PM Guns Were Legal in NZ. At 3:00 PM a Massive Gun Ban Began with Promise of Prison or Fines for Anyone Who Wouldn’t Comply
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/2...&ff_campaign=manualpost&ff_content=2019-03-21

Yeah. Quite a ban. I wish I knew sign language , I could have understood more of what the shemale said.
No.
Basically almost all firearms are now illegal in NZ.
So if the killing was real then it seems they used that as an excuse to disarm the population.
But if it was what I said it was then all they had to do was film an Active Shooter Drill and say it was real to disarm the population.

Either way it bye bye guns in NZ.

Horrific aftermath footage
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=8859Y6RMRMW5
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=KNBN4SGSU3N6
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=5NH44NNWADB8

 

[pool_hustler]

Leaving whether it happened or not aside for a minute, my point is that circa 400 people were killed in the twin towers attack on 911. There was no rush to ban the shocking footage let alone jail those circulating it. I'm sure the families of the victims found seeing it horrific. No ban. Why the ban this time?

Couple of possible reasons.
1) None of the victims, that I'm aware of, are recognizable.
2) That was an act of war that led to war. The motivation for that response is rather importantly depicted in the coverage of that act (which you may recall was nevertheless edited at the time to suppress some of the most graphic footage).

 

[pool_hustler]

Basically almost all firearms are now illegal in NZ.

No. Not as I understand it.
Military-style semi-automatics and auto capable assault rifles are history.

Along with some others, handguns and shotguns remain legal, as do small .22 caliber rifles.

So no, this didn't lead to a total or anywhere near total firearms ban.

 

[georges]

New Zealand goes full islam after Mosque attacks
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/03/22/new-zealand-hijab-christchurch/

what a bunch of idiots

 

[Harpsman]

Couple of possible reasons.
1) None of the victims, that I'm aware of, are recognizable.
2) That was an act of war that led to war. The motivation for that response is rather importantly depicted in the coverage of that act (which you may recall was nevertheless edited at the time to suppress some of the most graphic footage).

Dunno mate. Sure they even made a documentary about the falling man. Harrowing stuff.

I just thought it was kinda ironic they furore over the footage from NZ and the reaction it provoked.

 

[pool_hustler]

Dunno mate. Sure they even made a documentary about the falling man. Harrowing stuff.

They did. But his identity has never been known.

 

[bobjustbob]

Yeah. Quite a ban. I wish I knew sign language , I could have understood more of what the shemale said.
No.

3 credits ASL from New Paltz.

 

[meesterperfect]

No. Not as I understand it.
Military-style semi-automatics and auto capable assault rifles are history.

Along with some others, handguns and shotguns remain legal, as do small .22 caliber rifles.

So no, this didn't lead to a total or anywhere near total firearms ban.

"Military style" "Assault Rifles" these are catch phrases, trigger words. They could refer to any rifle.
And the whole Mechanisms to convert to automatic thing is what the Waco warrant was for, well the gun part of it at least.
That could mean a spring or a bolt.

They got what they wanted. A thing happened and laws were immediately put in place.
Almost as if it was a planned event.

That video has at least 15 things which shows it was fake.
From disappearing shell casings, to magazines already in the mosque before the leading man got there, to shotguns being fired directly into car windsheilds with no damage to my favorite- Arthur Browns 1968 song Fire beginning the instant the idiot turned his car back on. Plus about 20 other things.
And the aftermath video is the clincher.
Government and media are the same thing today. And they both have the same owners.
In this case all they have to do it make a crappy video that any 1st year film student could have made and BOOM, new huge gun laws in effect.
Little by little taking away guns from THE PEOPLE.
Almost as if they've got something planned for us.

 

[meesterperfect]

New Zealand shooting: Boy, 2, clings to wounded dad who shielded him from gunman

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/new-zealand-shooting-boy-2-14152265

So the baby in the Aftermath video was hit by shrapnel?
And the father was shot several times?

Here they can be seen in the Aftermath video next to the mannequin in the sunglasses.

https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=BR7H729W5G16

A toddler clings to his dad to check he is alive, after his father was shot several times while shielding him from the Christchurch terrorist.

In a tender moment after Friday’s brutal shooting, little Averroes, two, clambers on top of Zulfirman Syah’s chest, places a hand on his heart and looks into his eyes for signs of life.


The image is from a video taken after the assault, which shows victims strewn across a blood-splattered carpet as cries ring out.

Zulfirman, known as Jul, who arrived in New Zealand with his family from Indonesia just two months ago, saved his son’s life by leaping on him as shooting began at Linwood Islamic Centre.
Averroes was hit in the leg and buttock by shrapnel, possibly from the bullets that struck his dad.

Zulfirman’s wife, Alta Marie, 33, said both her son and her artist husband were recovering.

She wrote on Facebook: “My husband shielded our son, which caused him to receive most of the bullets and much more complex injuries than our son.

He is in stable condition following extensive exploratory and reconstructive surgery.


“While the road to recovery will be long, his condition has only improved since he arrived at hospital.”

American-born Alta Marie was reunited with her son after hours of searching for information.

She added: “He had surgery to extract some shrapnel, while checking for internal injuries.

“He is recovering nicely and has been cheerful while keeping staff on the children’s ward entertained with his talkative and energetic nature.

Here is their gofraudme page if you want to give them some of your money

https://www.gofundme.com/support-for-victims-of-terrorist-attack

 

[meesterperfect]

Almost 9 million donated?
My god that's a lotta money

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/christchurch-shooting-victims-fund