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I could think of 5 pgs I'd take over Deron Williams easy. Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Rose, Rondo And how can DWill be top 2-3 if he hasn't won a title to validate such a high ranking? He certainly won't win in Brooklyn.

And Jason Williams never tore through the league, cmon son. He's a journeyman with style who fans loved. He wasn't integral to that title the refs gave to Wade. He was just kinda there.

And please stop pretending okc won because of Fisher. L.A wasn't going anywhere last year anyway.

You're overrating mediocre players big time.
 
And so continues the argument of a weak mind.

It the truth you just aren't man enough to handle it....Go try and acheive something at the highest levels in a proffesional...then go let some dunce who has never accomplished anything in his life try to disparrage it...obviously your respect for that person's opinion would not be especially high.

I play basketball and know pro players plus I also trane ball player's and I'm willing to lay 10 stacks down right now that I'd beat the living dog piss out of you any day of the week in b-ball....so what are you really talking about...saying the next mans accomplishments aren't that signifigant when you can't do anything approaching it....GTFO


And so continues the argument of a weak mind... again.

It's the truth...again

It certainly is "amongst the relevant criteria", as you suggest here. I wouldn't disagree with you there. I was just pointing out that you had obviously contradicted yourself and then failed to admit to doing so, which you have done once again here.

You're wrong yet again...there was no contradiction, Only a repeated failure by you to comprehend the point.


Yet again, your memory is extremely poor. Rondo started all six games of the 2008 NBA Finals and averaged 27.0 minutes per game. Sam Cassell, on the other hand, whom you claim led the team and Rondo to his only championship didn't start a single game in that series, and only played in five of the six games, and even in the five games that he did play he only averaged 10.2 minutes, 3.8 points, and 1.2 assists per game as compared to Rondo's 27.0 minutes, 9.3 points, and 6.7 assists per game. Here is the source:

Its not about personal stats its about who leads the team, who instructs player's in practice and in critical situations during crucial games. Cassell is one of the NBA's most respected players and a leader on and off the court to the extent that he immediatiely became a coach apon his retirement.


This may be true. However, it does help having Kobe Bryant as a teammate for all five of his championships, and Shaquille O'Neal in his prime for three of them. Just saying...

Yeah and Rondo had the Big 3

I'd like you to explain how a division win in the regular season and a trip to the Western Conference Semi-Finals would be considered not playing well.

Because the Lakers are like the Celtics and measure their success in championships not playoff appearances...Getting your butt kicked by a team that has your former starting point gaurd is definatley no success story for the Lakers...That's why Sessions is gone.

Of course I'm going to dispute them because they are patently false. Here's my source:

http://www.nba.com/heat/stats/2005/n...als_stats.html

In fact, Williams' scoring high in the series was only twelve points, which you falsely claimed (twice, I might add, despite being corrected the first time around) was his average for the series. Get your facts straight.

Like I said my stats are verified by a soruce dedicated to complete analysis of Jason williams career so get your facts straight. But also as I have said several times, the intangibles of leadership and contribution is not always reflected by stats esp. in a team sport game. That's why players like Nash can win 2 MVPs or Durant scoring titles yet they have no championships between them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Williams_(basketball,_born_1975)

I realize you didn't directly compare Rondo to Jason Williams. But you assert that Jason Williams is a legend and that Rondo is not, which I do not agree with. I'd honestly prefer Deron Williams to Rondo as well. I think Deron Williams is the world's second best point guard (and is just a shade inferior to Chris Paul).

Rondo is a mediocre player who has been lucky enough to be surrounded by good talent....You put him on the Bobcats and they would be a lottery team

Naming him as one of the 25 best Heat players of all-time doesn't imply that he was a leader for them. You're saying this as if one goes hand-in-hand with the other, which is simply not true. Might I add that the 25 players were chosen by the fans, not by the franchise, as you say here. So, it's really just a popularity contest which clearly doesn't imply leadership either.

I disagree. The Heat fans unanimously voted him as an all-time Heat great...You're a fan too, so I certainly don't think his legacy is in danger because one or two miscellaneous people don't think he was a good enough leader .

Did I suggest that Rubio would have "a longer career and win more championships" than Williams? No, I did not. I said that if he had a career along the lines of a Jason Williams then it would be a disappointment, which it would because he has the talent to have a much better career than that.

What's a dissapointment is that Rubio can't stay on the Court...You may not respect the accomplishments of White Chocolate as a legend., but I assure you that the chances of Rubio having a more successful run in the NBA is slim...also he has nowhere near the talent of J.Will.
 
I could think of 5 pgs I'd take over Deron Williams easy. Paul, Westbrook, Parker, Rose, Rondo And how can DWill be top 2-3 if he hasn't won a title to validate such a high ranking? He certainly won't win in Brooklyn.

And Jason Williams never tore through the league, cmon son. He's a journeyman with style who fans loved. He wasn't integral to that title the refs gave to Wade. He was just kinda there.

And please stop pretending okc won because of Fisher. L.A wasn't going anywhere last year anyway.

You're overrating mediocre players big time.

I wouldn't take any of those players over D.Will. Deron Willams has a better chance at winning with Brooklyn than Rondo does with the Celtics.

I disagree with your view of J.Will's career. If you don't remember his younger years, Go Google some of J.Wills highlights .

As far a his contributions to the Title...J.Will has the ring so fortunately it doesn't matter what you think.

You may consider Fish mediocre, but like I said Kobe never won a Championship without him and probably never will....Lack of respect for your player's contributions and an inability to properly assess talent is a large part of the reason the Lakers are in their current downward spiral...and you deserve it based on how you treated players like Fish and Odom as well as your Championship coach...so...

GO CLIPPERS !!!
 
It the truth you just aren't man enough to handle it....Go try and acheive something at the highest levels in a proffesional...then go let some dunce who has never accomplished anything in his life try to disparrage it...obviously your respect for that person's opinion would not be especially high.

I play basketball and know pro players plus I also trane ball player's and I'm willing to lay 10 stacks down right now that I'd beat the living dog piss out of you any day of the week in b-ball....so what are you really talking about...saying the next mans accomplishments aren't that signifigant when you can't do anything approaching it....GTFO

Anonymously challenging another anonymous person on an Internet message board... that is pathetic. And I'm sure you're some kind of All-Star Mr. Anonymous. In fact, I'd bet you're a legend.

It's the truth...again

You're wrong yet again...there was no contradiction, Only a repeated failure by you to comprehend the point.

Its not about personal stats its about who leads the team, who instructs player's in practice and in critical situations during crucial games. Cassell is one of the NBA's most respected players and a leader on and off the court to the extent that he immediatiely became a coach apon his retirement.

Now it's about practice. Thanks AI...

Yeah and Rondo had the Big 3

Erroneous.

Because the Lakers are like the Celtics and measure their success in championships not playoff appearances...Getting your butt kicked by a team that has your former starting point gaurd is definatley no success story for the Lakers...That's why Sessions is gone.

Like I said my stats are verified by a soruce dedicated to complete analysis of Jason williams career so get your facts straight. But also as I have said several times, the intangibles of leadership and contribution is not always reflected by stats esp. in a team sport game. That's why players like Nash can win 2 MVPs or Durant scoring titles yet they have no championships between them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Williams_(basketball,_born_1975)

Your source is wrong and so are you (for a fourth time, my goodness). I will provide my source (again):

http://www.nba.com/heat/stats/2005/nba_finals_stats.html

These stats are official. They are provided by NBA.com (the NBA's official website, in case you needed that to be specified). Your "stats" are from Wikipedia, where any person can post anything they want. There is nothing official about Wikipedia. Your continued assertion that Jason Williams averaged "12 points and 5 assists" per game in the playoffs, despite my repeated proofs that that is patently false is pathetic on your part. Check my source. Then check the box scores of the games in the Finals (which should be pretty easy to find) and do the math yourself. Let me make this clear: I am right. You are wrong. My stats are accurate. Yours are false. I have proved this with verifiable references and you have repeatedly claimed that the stats that you originally spewed out are accurate. Get real. Get your facts straight. Mine are. If you weren't such a fool you would own up to spewing out false statistics instead of continuing to pretend that they are accurate despite my proofs that they are not.

Rondo is a mediocre player who has been lucky enough to be surrounded by good talent....You put him on the Bobcats and they would be a lottery team

I disagree. The Heat fans unanimously voted him as an all-time Heat great...You're a fan too, so I certainly don't think his legacy is in danger because one or two miscellaneous people don't think he was a good enough leader .

What's a dissapointment is that Rubio can't stay on the Court...You may not respect the accomplishments of White Chocolate as a legend., but I assure you that the chances of Rubio having a more successful run in the NBA is slim...also he has nowhere near the talent of J.Will.

You have yet to produce anything of substance in any of your arguments and you repeatedly spew out falsehoods despite being shown the facts; instead of acknowledging that your claims were false (which has been proven to you more than once) you just stick to your false claims like a dirty politician. You're actually such a fool that this is such a waste of my time. And I'm ashamed of myself for engaging with such a blithering idiot. I'm above it and it's degrading to me.
 
Anonymously challenging another anonymous person on an Internet message board... that is pathetic. And I'm sure you're some kind of All-Star Mr. Anonymous. In fact, I'd bet you're a legend.

As a matter of fact I am, furthermore like I said, I will beat the dog piss out of you any day of the week...don't be a cowardly punk hiding behind anonymity...I have posted my pics here before and dealt with people offline...so the broke internet coward role is all you ...anytime you think you can do any more than bitch and moan about other people's accomplishments you let me know...I won't be holding my breath LOL



Now it's about practice. Thanks AI...

Wow.... your resposnes are getting dumber and dumber...But I guess sarcasm is all you have left at this point. LOL



Erroneous.

Wrong

Your source is wrong and so are you (for a fourth time, my goodness). I will provide my source (again):


These stats are official. They are provided by NBA.com (the NBA's official website, in case you needed that to be specified). Your "stats" are from Wikipedia, where any person can post anything they want. There is nothing official about Wikipedia. Your continued assertion that Jason Williams averaged "12 points and 5 assists" per game in the playoffs, despite my repeated proofs that that is patently false is pathetic on your part. Check my source. Then check the box scores of the games in the Finals (which should be pretty easy to find) and do the math yourself. Let me make this clear: I am right. You are wrong. My stats are accurate. Yours are false. I have proved this with verifiable references and you have repeatedly claimed that the stats that you originally spewed out are accurate. Get real. Get your facts straight. Mine are. If you weren't such a fool you would own up to spewing out false statistics instead of continuing to pretend that they are accurate despite my proofs that they are not.

Your stas are wrong and irrelevant. You have no idea who complied those stats. Get your shit together nerd, you don't know what you're talking about and you're clinging to your version of some disputed facts that wouldn't prove anything even if you were right. You don't know shit about basketball stat boy. Obviously never played a day in your life. J.Will's legacy is beyond reproach. Your legacy is non-existant.


]You have yet to produce anything of substance in any of your arguments and you repeatedly spew out falsehoods despite being shown the facts; instead of acknowledging that your claims were false (which has been proven to you more than once) you just stick to your false claims like a dirty politician. You're actually such a fool that this is such a waste of my time. And I'm ashamed of myself for engaging with such a blithering idiot. I'm above it and it's degrading to me.

Just what I thought, trying to find to find some pathetic spineless away to bow out because you know you got your ass mentally crushed. But don't go out like a snivelling little sissy, stat boy...Just man up and admit you're out of your league.

Next time before your start spewing retarded nosense, make sure you aren't talking to somebody who actually plays...LOL
 
And, Stat Boy, if you do manage to grow the stones to come back and take some more abuse, don't try to avoid the issue by starting the typical computer nerd shit bitching and moaning about spelling and grammar....because I don't give a fuck, and you already appear enough like a soft ass cupcake without making it worse...:1orglaugh
 
I wouldn't take any of those players over D.Will. Deron Willams has a better chance at winning with Brooklyn than Rondo does with the Celtics.

I disagree with your view of J.Will's career. If you don't remember his younger years, Go Google some of J.Wills highlights .

As far a his contributions to the Title...J.Will has the ring so fortunately it doesn't matter what you think.

You may consider Fish mediocre, but like I said Kobe never won a Championship without him and probably never will....Lack of respect for your player's contributions and an inability to properly assess talent is a large part of the reason the Lakers are in their current downward spiral...and you deserve it based on how you treated players like Fish and Odom as well as your Championship coach...so...

GO CLIPPERS !!!

Vujacic I guess is a great SG and Jordan Farmar is a great PG too. Your argument is fucking stupid. Sometimes shitty players win championships. Especially when they play with Kobe, Shaq, Pau, etc. What is Odom doing now? Career lows on the Clippers? Oh, but the Clippers have a great record, soooooo?

I wish I had such low standards that I praised guys like Jason Williams.

And you can keep D Will. Rondo has a championship. Doesn't that contradict your logic?

And please stop trying to be a tough guy cunt. It's a discussion about basketball and you keep posting about people hide people their computers and mentioning how we're all using a porn board like it's relevant. You can beat the fuck out of us? Good for you. Please kill yourself. You're a fucking loser getting way too upset over people debating about that shitbag Jason Williams career. We're all hiding behind anonymity. Are you not on a computer too? Did you post your real name and address somewhere in this thread? No? Than shut the fuck up.

You - Jason Williams is a legend!!

Rod Farva - No he isn't.

You - I'll beat your punk ass for hiding behind a computer screen and ignoring facts to win an argument.

Why are you taking things so personal? It's pretty clear rodfarva is owning your ass. You post opinion and he is posting facts and stats. Sorry, but NBA.com > Wikipedia. Rondo>JWill. There is video to prove it.
 
Stay in your lane fuckboy...you know about as much about basketcall as Mr. Stats ....I'm tough enough but that has nothing to do with what I said...I challenged him to a game, that's it....I play for money all the time, and I'm quite sure I'd take whatever little pennies you could scrape together as well.

Rondo is a bum...The Celtics are barely .500 got beat at home tonight by The Bucks for the series sweep..

Your feelings about Williams don't matter, his accomplishments speak for themselves, and if you don't agree, too bad.

Nothing else you said made any sense....I never made any comments about Vujacic or Farmar. Rondo had great players on his team as did Fisher, but Fish has more rings.

in terms of stats...you have no fucking idea who compiled stats for NBA.com or Wikipedia or any other source...so you have no idea which is correct.

The fact is that J.Will is one of the 25 greatest players in Heat history, everything else you said about it is just your opinion.

Vujacic I guess is a great SG and Jordan Farmar is a great PG too. Your argument is fucking stupid. Sometimes shitty players win championships. Especially when they play with Kobe, Shaq, Pau, etc. What is Odom doing now? Career lows on the Clippers? Oh, but the Clippers have a great record, soooooo?

I wish I had such low standards that I praised guys like Jason Williams.

And you can keep D Will. Rondo has a championship. Doesn't that contradict your logic?

And please stop trying to be a tough guy cunt. It's a discussion about basketball and you keep posting about people hide people their computers and mentioning how we're all using a porn board like it's relevant. You can beat the fuck out of us? Good for you. Please kill yourself. You're a fucking loser getting way too upset over people debating about that shitbag Jason Williams career. We're all hiding behind anonymity. Are you not on a computer too? Did you post your real name and address somewhere in this thread? No? Than shut the fuck up.

You - Jason Williams is a legend!!

Rod Farva - No he isn't.

You - I'll beat your punk ass for hiding behind a computer screen and ignoring facts to win an argument.

Why are you taking things so personal? It's pretty clear rodfarva is owning your ass. You post opinion and he is posting facts and stats. Sorry, but NBA.com > Wikipedia. Rondo>JWill. There is video to prove it.
 
Also I don't use anonymity for anything I do or say...I have paysites registered to my name that people here know about, so I'm not hard to find...I don't hide...I stand behind what I say and have no problem backing it up face to face...something you and stat boy are too cowardly to do.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
The Raptors won last night. That gave me enough courage to be able to come show my face around ehre and read this whole argument.

Christ guys. I'm too high for this shit.
 
Someone posted this on an NBA forum:


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Then someone suggested we trade Derreck Williams for Hansborough and Cunningham for Gordon Hayward. LMFAO!!! :rofl2:
Our team would be so fucking awesome. :D



I love a good basketball debate. And Fisher is getting way more love than he deserves, but that's ok with me.

Eric...why oh why would you want Daron Williams over Rondo? This blows my mind. DWill is basically Baron Davis 2.0. I think he flames out during this contract. I would have given anybody not named Kobe up for Rondo. He's a triple double threat every day. Great player!!

Fuck, I ain't reading all that shit. I like basketball but for fuck's sake...
 
Also I don't use anonymity for anything I do or say...I have paysites registered to my name that people here know about, so I'm not hard to find...I don't hide...I stand behind what I say and have no problem backing it up face to face...something you and stat boy are too cowardly to do.

Back up what face to face? What does that have to do with anything? You're so offended someone disagreed with you and your slurping of Jason Williams that you think it should be settled in person? You're a joke, bro. It's a harmless debate. Nobody here is cowardly. Nobody here is scared of your ass. Get your internet tough guy b.s the fuck out of here. Or better yet, stay so we can see how pathetic someone can actually be. Jesus Christ...you're just sad.

The Raptors won last night. That gave me enough courage to be able to come show my face around ehre and read this whole argument.

Christ guys. I'm too high for this shit.

Rage. The more the Raptors win, the more likely the Gasol/Duhon/Bargnani/Calderon/Kleiza trade doesn't happen. What was your opinion of that trade before both teams started winning and what is your opinion of it now?

Fuck, I ain't reading all that shit. I like basketball but for fuck's sake...

Ya don't even bother anymore. eric might try to kick your ass.
 
I don't know if anybody watched the Lakers/Warriors game, but it's one of the best games I've ever seen. Wow. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
 
I don't know if anybody watched the Lakers/Warriors game, but it's one of the best games I've ever seen. Wow. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
As a 24 year lakers fan. This has gots to be our worst defense team ever but a win is a win lets beat da Knickerbockers on Xmas day now...
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Rage. The more the Raptors win, the more likely the Gasol/Duhon/Bargnani/Calderon/Kleiza trade doesn't happen. What was your opinion of that trade before both teams started winning and what is your opinion of it now?

Actually, the Raptors winning makes that trade more likely. They've won five straight without Bargnani, so it seems like his presence on the court brings the entire team down. They don't need him to win. I'm surprised you are in favour of that, though. Bargnani and Calderon aren't exactly known for their defensive play, so a Nash/Calderon rotation sounds sketchy to me. Personally, I would rather the Raptors not get rid of Calderon until Lowry starts playing like Lowry; Calderon is one of the few players who actually WANTS to be a Raptor, so I've never understood why they want to get rid of him when he is clearly more comfortable playing with the team right now than Lowry is. That said, I really think it is Bargnani's final season in Toronto, though I don't know if Gasol would be too thrilled to come play here.
 
Back up what face to face? What does that have to do with anything? You're so offended someone disagreed with you and your slurping of Jason Williams that you think it should be settled in person? You're a joke, bro. It's a harmless debate. Nobody here is cowardly. Nobody here is scared of your ass. Get your internet tough guy b.s the fuck out of here. Or better yet, stay so we can see how pathetic someone can actually be. Jesus Christ...you're just sad.


And this coming from the retard fanboy dork trying to call Rondo a legend...a legend is a person or thing that inspires from the historical past....not a mediocre PG that has only been in the fucking league 6 years you idiot .. Hey, Ty Lawson had a GREAT game last week..lets make him a legend too !!!...LOL...fucking moron :facepalm:

Here is another vid so your fuckboy non-basketball playing-ass can learn about the legend of White Chocolate, one of the top 25 players in Heat history, and the third best ballhandler in history...I'm off to play some real hoops, and not NBA 2k12 like your soft computer nerd cowardly ass LOL ...

 
Lol now you're a real basketball player. The only hoop you play with is Jason Williams asshole. Keep calling names though, cool guy. You're super cool. And lol at Williams having an historical past.

Anyway...
 
After reading all that (or most of, goddamn long posts), I'm pretty sure he is fucking with everybody about Jason Williams lol.

He has to be. It's actually Ashton Kutcher punking us.

Anybody watch Christmas basketball? Lots of good matchups!
 
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