Mom shoots 'intruder' who turned out to be her daughter surprising her from college

[tvstrip]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom...er-surprising-her-from-college-225514706.html

So this story is making the rounds. Basically a woman is at home in her bed at night and hears people downstairs. She's scared because she's not expecting anyone, so she goes for her gun. Someone charges into her bedroom and she shoots them once in the elbow. Turns out it was her daughter sneaking back home from college to surprise her.

I think US gun culture is insane, but even I feel the mother was justified. She's at home alone, and 2 people enter her house unannounced and charge into her bedroom.
Yet I keep reading about people saying "she should have confirmed who she was shooting at" or "she should have called out to the intruder first".
DaFuq? When did it become necessary to give notice to intruders in your home? Or what kind of reaction time are they expecting when someone charges into your bedroom?

If this were under any other circumstances I'd blame the mom, but this seems like a clear case of a brain-dead daughter and a poor mom who inadvertently shot her.

 

[meesterperfect]

Its a terrible accident. Horrible thing. Thats all.

 

[icytea]

This is very sad indeed

 

[xfire]

Daughter definitely had a bad idea.

 

[meesterperfect]

Daughter definitely had a bad idea.

Yeah if I was the mother I doubt I could continue life.
Such a bad thing. I don't know how she's going to go on.

Not joking but this happened on an episode of Columbo titled Lady in Waiting.
A rich woman lived with her brother who was played by Oscar Goldman.
She locked him out of the house at night and set the alarm so when he came in through the back door she shot him and claimed it was an accident.

 

[xfire]

If I came home and the house is inaccessible in some way, can't get through the door, whatever, I'm not barging in. Especially in the middle of the night. There's 911 for that.

 

[meesterperfect]

911 whats your emergency?
Hi. I'm locked out of my house.
Click.
Hello? Hello?

Hello operator get me the police, I'm locked out of my house.

I like this part.
"If you realize someone has a gun for protection and they're not expecting you, announce yourself when you enter the home," Chief Norman advised. "Even if you're getting up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night, just announce yourself."

Mom, I'm waking up to get a drink of water, please dont shoot me.
Yeah thats realistic.

And who says she barged in? She came home.
The mother was wrong for firing 5 shots at someone without even knowing who she was shooting at.
That is something you just don't do no matter what.

 

[xfire]

I live in a small community, cops would be here in no time, and think nothing of it, I know all of them.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I live in a big city that has lots of crimes and issues to take care of and cops would still be there. Might take a while but still be there.

 

[Johan]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mom...er-surprising-her-from-college-225514706.html

So this story is making the rounds. Basically a woman is at home in her bed at night and hears people downstairs. She's scared because she's not expecting anyone, so she goes for her gun. Someone charges into her bedroom and she shoots them once in the elbow. Turns out it was her daughter sneaking back home from college to surprise her.

I think US gun culture is insane, but even I feel the mother was justified. She's at home alone, and 2 people enter her house unannounced and charge into her bedroom.
Yet I keep reading about people saying "she should have confirmed who she was shooting at" or "she should have called out to the intruder first".
DaFuq? When did it become necessary to give notice to intruders in your home? Or what kind of reaction time are they expecting when someone charges into your bedroom?

If this were under any other circumstances I'd blame the mom, but this seems like a clear case of a brain-dead daughter and a poor mom who inadvertently shot her.

Yeah, sure, shoot first think later that's the right way to act

Off course she's to blame but something else is to blaem : the pro-gun propaganda, how they spread fear on people, making them fear that someone's gonna come to murder or rape them, that it's only a matter of time before it happens and that buying a gun would save their life. The result is that, confronted to a situation in which there's even à 1% chance it's the case, americans immediately think it is, think that is the moment for which they bought that gun.
And sometimes it is. But most of the time it isn't and they end up in an hospital, waiting for the doctor to tell them wether their kid, their fried, they husband/wife is gonna survive or not.

 

[xfire]

I used to live next door to one of my best friends, we've known each other since we were kids. I got home from work one night and walked across the yard to see what he was doing. It was pitch black and couldn't see shit, I didn't think nothing of it till I got up next to the window and stopped dead in my tracks because I heard the sound of the hammer of a .357 magnum being cocked. I said, "Dude, don't fucking shoot me!" If I hadn't said anything I would probably be dead as fried chicken. Had no idea he was asleep with the window open. I know he wasn't even kidding when he said he almost shot me. I don't poke around in the dark anymore.

 

[Rey C.]

Wow. I don't have kids, but I can't imagine the pain this woman will feel til the day she dies because of this. Really sad outcome.

IMO, this is a clear case of people who want to keep a firearm for home defense NEEDING firearms training before keeping the weapon in the home. One of the first things I learned when my dad took me out to hunt for the first time was you never fire at something until you know what it is you're shooting at. I've always been super picky about who I shot or hunted with. I've known people who would "brush hunt" (shooting at sounds in the brush) and I know a fellow who got shot by two of his friends because they thought he was a turkey in the brush. Luckily he survived, but that was the end of their friendship.

It was my (law enforcement) uncle who taught me about home defense tactics. Same thing there: you don't shoot until you know for certain what it is that you're shooting at - and whether or not it poses a legitimate threat. If you're in a proper defensive position with cover, you can still take out the threat with only minimal danger to yourself. From reading the story link, it looks like the daughter did something stupid... and so did her mother.

"The mother was startled by some noises she heard in the kitchen or hallway area. (so she had an opportunity to take cover and find a defensive position) She stated that the bedroom door opened where she was at, and she had a gun readily available and she fired a round at someone coming through the door." ("someone"? - so she was brush hunting and there was no armed threat even if had been a stranger).

Damn sad.

 

[tvstrip]

911 whats your emergency?
And who says she barged in? She came home.
The mother was wrong for firing 5 shots at someone without even knowing who she was shooting at.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/08/mom-accidentally-shoots-daughter-after-she-surprises-her-at-home/

Hannah Jones, 18, says she “ran through the door with excitement” to surprise her family at home in Girard — instead terrifying her mom, Renee Jones, who assumed Hannah was an intruder.
“As I ran through the door, she was in fear for her life and shot me,” Jones said in a Facebook post.

Detectives who arrived on the scene found the revolver on the floor of the bedroom, next to the bed, with four live rounds and one spent round in the cylinder.

She ran into her mom's bedroom by her own admission, and the mom stopping after the single shot.
And the daughter was quiet going through the front door, as she didn't announce "I'm home", or you know, ring the doorbell? Either of which you'd think would be common sense when going to your gun-armed mom's house at night.

 

[meesterperfect]

So the girl lived? I can't tell because journalism sucks so bad. Starting to wonder if this even happened.
So I got 5 shots fired. I'm assuming with some sort of handgun.
I do not know how many times the daughter was shot. I assume at least once. It seems she was shot in the elbow area.

Ok. I gotta ask. How long did it take for the mother to get the gun and shoot it from the moment she was startled? In the time that would have took it seems unlikely that she wouldnt have realized who it was.
Did she miss 4 out of 5 shots? Was the room dark even with an open door? I'm assuming it was completely dark otherwise she would have realized it was her daughter before she fetched a gun and fired 5 shots.

If this is real which I am beginning to doubt either way you dont shoot a gun at someone unless you know who you are shooting at. Period. End. Over.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Well if you read the actual article it clearly states all the details Meester. What part do you need read for you?

 

[Supafly]

If you live in a country with so lax gun laws, and epecially, if you KNOW there is a gun in the house, you don't act like that.

I can't even feel sad for the family. This is all so fucked up.

 

[Johan]

If you live in a country with so lax gun laws, and epecially, if you KNOW there is a gun in the house, you don't act like that

You're right but isn't that quite depressng that US (lack of) gun legislation kinda forbids carefreeness ? That you need to be extra-cautious all the tie and that something (like a trick) that, in other western civilised countries, would make people say "You got be by surprise", in the US, can get you killed.
I think it's pretty sad...

Hey, meester, look at that smile ! Is that the face of someone who just went through heavy surgery after being shot by her mom ? Or is this the face of some crisis actor paid to take part in a false-flag operation to push for gun-control ?

 

[meesterperfect]

Well if you read the actual article it clearly states all the details Meester. What part do you need read for you?

I've read a few articles and they say different things.
At this point I don't care. All I have to say is you never shoot a weapon at a person until you are sure you know who it is.

 

[meesterperfect]

You're right but isn't that quite depressng that US (lack of) gun legislation kinda forbids carefreeness ? That you need to be extra-cautious all the tie and that something (like a trick) that, in other western civilised countries, would make people say "You got be by surprise", in the US, can get you killed.
I think it's pretty sad...


Hey, meester, look at that smile ! Is that the face of someone who just went through heavy surgery after being shot by her mom ? Or is this the face of some crisis actor paid to take part in a false-flag operation to push for gun-control ?

Good question.
I'm not sure. She does look pretty good for someone who just was shot and had surgery. Plus her entire arm wrapped up like an Egyptian Mummy with a thick layer of nice clean compression wrap doesn't seem realistic to me.
If she just had surgery for a gunshot to the elbow I would assume she had bone and/or tendon/ligament/muscle/nerve damage .
I can't see how there wouldn't be nerve damage in that area. Nerve damage which would require surgery. There are many nerves there which control your finger movements. A bullet would just annihilate them.

Showing off her injuries and X-rays, Jones says her right elbow was broken in three places by the shooting — which left her with eight screws and three plates in her arm following surgery.

Seems to me they wouldn't cover her arm up like that after such surgery. That would be unnecessary and a risk of infection plus inhibit the healing process.
The arm would have to be immobilized and wrapping her up like Ramesses II with compression wrap would not quite do the job. Plus she would be in excruciating pain after sustaining such an injury followed by the surgery she supposedly just had. But it does make for a nice photo op.
And at least she's not dressed in street clothes.
So yeah I'm calling probable fake news creating fake news again on this.
But I'm not sure.

I am sure that I don't believe anything the Fake News (patent pending) says just as I don't believe anything known liars say.

 

[Johan]

Good question.
I'm not sure. She does look pretty good for someone who just was shot and had surgery. Plus her entire arm wrapped up like an Egyptian Mummy with a thick layer of nice clean compression wrap doesn't seem realistic to me.
If she just had surgery for a gunshot to the elbow I would assume she had bone and/or tendon/ligament/muscle/nerve damage .
I can't see how there wouldn't be nerve damage in that area. Nerve damage which would require surgery. There are many nerves there which control your finger movements. A bullet would just annihilate them.

Showing off her injuries and X-rays, Jones says her right elbow was broken in three places by the shooting — which left her with eight screws and three plates in her arm following surgery.

Seems to me they wouldn't cover her arm up like that after such surgery. That would be unnecessary and a risk of infection plus inhibit the healing process.


The arm would have to be immobilized and wrapping her up like Ramesses II with compression wrap would not quite do the job.

Oh, you seem to know so much about medicine and surgery. You must have spent years in medical school, right ?

Plus she would be in excruciating pain after sustaining such an injury followed by the surgery she supposedly just had.

Have you ever heard about painkillers ?