Model warning: Gonzo photography

[VerseTheVillain]

WARNING: This warning is for models/girls in the AZ area and is about Gonzo Modeling. I know several girls who are both adult models and also some girls who just wanted professional pictures taken. There is nothing professional about this guy. They have told me instances ranging from him not giving the girls the photos, posting the photos on his site without permission, selling the photos to other adult content sites without permission, and even as far as trying to have sex with some of the girls once he had them in front of the camera. This is not a joke, I do not gain anything personally by posting this warning. I am posting this warning as the wishes from a few of the girls who wanted to look out for other females who might get themselves in the same situation with Gonzo. So if you brush off this warning and think nothing of it please take a friend or boyfriend with you when you go for your shoot. Take care and be safe.

 

[Ace Bandage]

I think he's super serial...

 

[VerseTheVillain]

I think he's super serial...

Just trying to do my part to take the shadiness out of the biz. One of the girls was almost in tears because of the situation. Girls should not have to fear finding new photographers.

 

[shimmy2]

i'm nowhere near AZ and sorry to hear your friends story, but they do know what "Gonzo" means and/or implies right? something should tell them its not going to be a walmart $5 photoshoot. if the girls signed model releases he can do whatever he pleases with the photos, and I doubt any photog started snapping away without getting them to sign something

 

[VerseTheVillain]

i'm nowhere near AZ and sorry to hear your friends story, but they do know what "Gonzo" means and/or implies right? something should tell them its not going to be a walmart $5 photoshoot. if the girls signed model releases he can do whatever he pleases with the photos, and I doubt any photog started snapping away without getting them to sign something

Where did I write what they expected? Where did I write they didn't know what a gonzo flick was? Where did I write that he had them sign contracts? (And **** to shoot down what you think you know on all fronts, a model release doesn't necessarily mean he can do what ever he likes with the photos, he has to follow the context of the release form, if it isn't stated you can't do it,) Do yourself a favor and look into release forms and consent forms and their use as binding contracts. Actually I'm not even going to beat around the bush, if you would have bothered reading what I fucking posted you would have noticed I wrote some of the girls were amateur models. And I mean solo girls. So this is what they do for a living. These are well known girls. So yes they know how a photographer should act and what is acceptable and what isn't. EDIT: Off topic words. Deleted. Read rules regarding Flaming. And contracts were not signed. Did you miss the whole "this guy is not professional?". I think that was the vibe of the entire warning. EDIT: Off topic words. Deleted. Read rules regarding Flaming. I've always been amazed how people read something and fill their response with hypothetical **** that was not even pointed towards in the first place. This was a warning to models to watch out for this creep, not to boys who wants.

 

[Supafly]

Thank you for your initiative.

Too many people around who do not seem to fucking care.

Got Rep for that.

 

[Sicario]

Thanks for the heads up. You should spread the word about this on the other adult industry forums and blogs.

 

[Ace Bandage]

(And **** to shoot down what you think you know on all fronts, a model release doesn't necessarily mean he can do what ever he likes with the photos, he has to follow the context of the release form, if it isn't stated you can't do it,) Do yourself a favor and look into release forms and consent forms and their use as binding contracts.

:1orglaugh You do realize that Shimmy is an ACO (approved content owner), right? In other words, he runs or is involved heavily with a porn site. I think he knows more about what's going than you do, Scooter.

Also, you better tone it down. The rest of your post that I didn't quote is an example of flaming. They don't take too kindly to insults around here.

 

[VerseTheVillain]

Thank you for your initiative.

Too many people around who do not seem to fucking care.

Got Rep for that.

Like I said, I gain nothing from the warning. It was the wishes of the models who I am friends with personally. I thought it was just one isolated event and then found out it happened to quite a few girls I know. It started on facebook when I saw a girl friend of mine was trying to set up a shoot with him, she is like a ****** to me and hasn't really done the modeling thing before. And supposedly he is doing free shoots through Sept. So I took it upon myself to make some phone calls just to check on this guy's rep and see how he was to work with. My first call I made was to a pretty popular solo model here in AZ because I remember she had him on her Myspace top friends for a while. So I wanted to speak with the one girl I knew for sure had worked with him. The first words out of her mouth was "don't let your friends or models shoot with him he is a scum bag", "he tried having sex with me in the middle of one of our shoots", He is nowhere near professional, warn the other girls you know about him". So immediately I called around/messaged/txt/emailed the other girls I knew to see if they had worked with him, which is when different girls started telling me of him not releasing photos, taking payments and not releasing photos, posting the photos on other sites without them signing any forms or giving their consent to do so and other sexual advances. So I then called girl number 1 and let her know this is a common theme with this guy and it wasn't just her. She told me, don't let people I know work with him, and to look out for my younger girl (the noobie). So this along with the warning I repeatedly post on his facebook promo page is a result.

 

[VerseTheVillain]

:1orglaugh You do realize that Shimmy is an ACO (approved content owner), right? In other words, he runs or is involved heavily with a porn site. I think he knows more about what's going than you do, Scooter.

Also, you better tone it down. The rest of your post that I didn't quote is an example of flaming. They don't take too kindly to insults around here.

That's nice n' all but his response to my post was completely without base. I'm not interested in his career. To me it looked like he was trying to start an argument with subject matter that was made up, he didn't know the situation or what the girls knew, he made a series of guesses and put them in the form of a response. That looks like trolling to anyone who reads it.

 

[VerseTheVillain]

i'm nowhere near AZ and sorry to hear your friends story, but they do know what "Gonzo" means and/or implies right? something should tell them its not going to be a walmart $5 photoshoot. if the girls signed model releases he can do whatever he pleases with the photos, and I doubt any photog started snapping away without getting them to sign something

Shimmy I'll man up and apologize for the unwarranted and immature 'name calling'. The girl I'm speaking of who told me to warn girls I know and other models about this creep who tried fucking her durning a shoot is Talia Shepard. I think she knows what to expect from a photographer. I'm not here to argue with anyone. I just wanted to post her warning.

 

[Hot Mega]

Where did I write what they expected? Where did I write they didn't know what a gonzo flick was? Where did I write that he had them sign contracts? (And **** to shoot down what you think you know on all fronts, a model release doesn't necessarily mean he can do what ever he likes with the photos, he has to follow the context of the release form, if it isn't stated you can't do it,) Do yourself a favor and look into release forms and consent forms and their use as binding contracts. Actually I'm not even going to beat around the bush, if you would have bothered reading what I fucking posted you would have noticed I wrote some of the girls were amateur models. And I mean solo girls. So this is what they do for a living. These are well known girls. So yes they know how a photographer should act and what is acceptable and what isn't. EDIT: Off topic words. Deleted. Read rules regarding Flaming. And contracts were not signed. Did you miss the whole "this guy is not professional?". I think that was the vibe of the entire warning. EDIT: Off topic words. Deleted. Read rules regarding Flaming. I've always been amazed how people read something and fill their response with hypothetical **** that was not even pointed towards in the first place. This was a warning to models to watch out for this creep, not to boys who wants.

I know you said they didn't sign anything which suggests it's not professional to begin with which begs the question why some of these women who are pros shooting with the guy then?:dunno:

With respect to "release" forms, what on earth are you releasing if not the right of the artist or photog to claim the work is theirs to do with how they see fit?? The premise being the work belongs to the artist or photog in many of these cases on a copyright basis.

As for the purposes of being practical, a "release" form generally serves as catch all protection for the artist or photog from someone coming back cherry picking and claiming this or that. Secondly, it is in many ways the way the artist or photog markets and advertise their work.

Lastly, if they signed nothing..they should be suing him.

I just pulled up a random release from the first result I searched and this is what it says;

I_________________________________ do hereby give Houston Professional Photography assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives, and heirs the irrevocable right to use my name (or any fictional name), picture, portrait, or photograph in all forms and in all media and in all manners, without any restriction as to changes or alterations (including but not limited to composite or distorted representations or derivative works made in any medium) for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition, or any other lawful purposes, and I waive any right to inspect or approve the photograph(s) or finished version(s) incorporating the photograph(s), including written copy that may be created and appear in connection therewith. I hereby release and agree to hold harmless the Photographer, his assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives and heirs from any liability by virtue of any blurring, distortion, alteration, optical illusion, or use in composite form whether intentional or otherwise, that may occur or be produced in the taking of the photographs, or in any processing tending toward the completion of the finished product, unless it can be shown that they and the publication thereof were maliciously caused, produced, and published solely for the purpose of subjecting me to conspicuous ridicule, scandal, reproach, scorn, and indignity. We agree that the Photographer owns the copyright in these photographs and I hereby waive any claims I may have based on any usage of the photographs or works derived therefrom, including but not limited to claims for either invasion of privacy or libel. I am of full age and competent to sign this release. I agree that this release shall be binding on me, my legal representatives, heirs, and assigns. I have read this release and am fully familiar with its contents.
Proofs prints of published works and other valuable consideration, receipt of which is acknowledged.

Secondly I know you are just trying to be helpful but you should (make sure you) know what, if anything these individuals signed before you open yourself up to a libel cause of action by posting this.:2 cents:

Going on hearsay (even if you believe it to be 1000 pct. true) is not a good policy when you're going to print things about some (possible) business entity.

 

[shimmy2]

I **** censorship and wish i could have read the "edited flames". anyhow I will say this, it's a bad idea 100% of the time to get involved in the personal lives of models. let them sort it out and deal with it if they have a problem, but please dont go on a self righteous crusade based on heresay. if you only knew how many exboyfriends, haters, organizations, clubs, gangs, tribes, babydaddys, and captain save-a-hos are on the average porn producers ass

 

[DOA82]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

(Although I refuse to believe one single model will benefit from this thread. The odds of a model in that area, being on this forum, seeing this thread...)

 

[VerseTheVillain]

I **** censorship and wish i could have read the "edited flames". anyhow I will say this, it's a bad idea 100% of the time to get involved in the personal lives of models. let them sort it out and deal with it if they have a problem, but please dont go on a self righteous crusade based on heresay. if you only knew how many exboyfriends, haters, organizations, clubs, gangs, tribes, babydaddys, and captain save-a-hos are on the average porn producers ass

she is a personal friend. i wouldnt have said **** if it was one person, but it wasnt. It was several girls who have worked with. People found the warning helpful. Im not infront of his front for a studio protesting. I put on a forum what I felt might be helpful to some. Far from a crusade. Im done with it. I was done with it yesterday. Take care Shimms

 

[Hot Mega]

If this is the same person/company you're talking about, it says right at the bottom

ALL IMAGES AND DESIGN COPYRIGHTED BY GONZO MODELING © 2010

I know that's presuming the site images and design but I should think it would cover any photos placed on the site as well..in the cases the pics are used on the site.
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[Shifty]

Bottom line is that Verse is trying to do a good thing. His heart is in the right place.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

I just pulled up a random release from the first result I searched and this is what it says;

I_________________________________ do hereby give Houston Professional Photography assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives, and heirs the irrevocable right to use my name (or any fictional name), picture, portrait, or photograph in all forms and in all media and in all manners, without any restriction as to changes or alterations (including but not limited to composite or distorted representations or derivative works made in any medium) for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition, or any other lawful purposes, and I waive any right to inspect or approve the photograph(s) or finished version(s) incorporating the photograph(s), including written copy that may be created and appear in connection therewith. I hereby release and agree to hold harmless the Photographer, his assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives and heirs from any liability by virtue of any blurring, distortion, alteration, optical illusion, or use in composite form whether intentional or otherwise, that may occur or be produced in the taking of the photographs, or in any processing tending toward the completion of the finished product, unless it can be shown that they and the publication thereof were maliciously caused, produced, and published solely for the purpose of subjecting me to conspicuous ridicule, scandal, reproach, scorn, and indignity. We agree that the Photographer owns the copyright in these photographs and I hereby waive any claims I may have based on any usage of the photographs or works derived therefrom, including but not limited to claims for either invasion of privacy or libel. I am of full age and competent to sign this release. I agree that this release shall be binding on me, my legal representatives, heirs, and assigns. I have read this release and am fully familiar with its contents.
Proofs prints of published works and other valuable consideration, receipt of which is acknowledged.

With my limited legal knowledge, while dealing with contracts, I find this may be a part of the contract form. If this is the full form of contract, then it is a unilateral contract and is 'void'.
Please read the followings.
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Any way the intent of the thread is to warn the wannabe models and prepare them to read between the lines so that they don't get victimized or have to do what they never wanted to do at the first instance.

So, I'm :2offtopic :eeew:

 

[Hot Mega]

I just pulled up a random release from the first result I searched and this is what it says;

I_________________________________ do hereby give Houston Professional Photography assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives, and heirs the irrevocable right to use my name (or any fictional name), picture, portrait, or photograph in all forms and in all media and in all manners, without any restriction as to changes or alterations (including but not limited to composite or distorted representations or derivative works made in any medium) for advertising, trade, promotion, exhibition, or any other lawful purposes, and I waive any right to inspect or approve the photograph(s) or finished version(s) incorporating the photograph(s), including written copy that may be created and appear in connection therewith. I hereby release and agree to hold harmless the Photographer, his assigns, licensees, successors in interest, legal representatives and heirs from any liability by virtue of any blurring, distortion, alteration, optical illusion, or use in composite form whether intentional or otherwise, that may occur or be produced in the taking of the photographs, or in any processing tending toward the completion of the finished product, unless it can be shown that they and the publication thereof were maliciously caused, produced, and published solely for the purpose of subjecting me to conspicuous ridicule, scandal, reproach, scorn, and indignity. We agree that the Photographer owns the copyright in these photographs and I hereby waive any claims I may have based on any usage of the photographs or works derived therefrom, including but not limited to claims for either invasion of privacy or libel. I am of full age and competent to sign this release. I agree that this release shall be binding on me, my legal representatives, heirs, and assigns. I have read this release and am fully familiar with its contents.
Proofs prints of published works and other valuable consideration, receipt of which is acknowledged.

With my limited legal knowledge, while dealing with contracts, I find this may be a part of the contract form. If this is the full form of contract, then it is a unilateral contract and is 'void'.
Please read the followings.
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Any way the intent of the thread is to warn the wannabe models and prepare them to read between the lines so that they don't get victimized or have to do what theyu never wanted to do at the first instance.

So, I'm :2offtopic :eeew:

Yeah, I was trying to only copy the relevant stipulations and I know I cut off the rest of the signatory lines.

 

[VerseTheVillain]

I was careful about what I wrote and Im no stranger to a court room. I have a nice defense team. And would only be publicity in a situation that would not hurt me a bit. On top of that all the girls I spoke to are close friends and Im sure they would love to help out. Anywho, Im done with this whole deal.