According to Tucker Carlson
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/tucker-carlson-michael-vi_n_802192.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/29/tucker-carlson-michael-vi_n_802192.html
Michael Vick should've been executed
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TheOrangeCat
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PirateKing
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I think a photo op of Michael Vick kissing a dog should quell a lot of this anger.
bahodeme
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I wonder were that same zeal for Michael Vick was when someone molests or kills someone's little boy or girl. Or when a homeless man assists a lady in trouble and is stabbed only to have people not only step over him but take a picture on their cell phone.
While I find what Mike did was repugnant. He would not be the first in line for old sparky.
While I find what Mike did was repugnant. He would not be the first in line for old sparky.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Maybe the threat of execution should be held back until he is playing badly?
TheOrangeCat
AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
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I don't think that's it... I think that "stars" are given wayyyyyy more leeway than any of us regular people would get.
***insert one of the numerous celebrity fuck-up examples here***
While I don't think he deserves death for what he did, it's very hard to forgive such a horrific practice like the one he engaged in for a long time. I'm all for second chances for some things, but there is a line you cross where you don't come back from... now we can argue where that line is drawn all day, but I think we can agree it exists. And for some people, killing innocent animals in brutal ways is over that line, for some it's not. :dunno:
People guilty of serious crimes including manslaughter don't have to go through the nonsense Vick went through.
And they were pitbulls, dogs that are known for mauling innocent people every year.
Um, people convicted of manslaughter spend more time in jail than did Vick.
And while that breed is known for it's propensity for violence, they can be good dogs too... but assholes like Vick and his buddies train them and abuse them to be bloodthirsty animals to fight and die for their amusement. Heck, if that's ok, then we are only one step away from saying it's ok for humans to do it too, e.g., the Roman era arenas. :dunno:
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I like dogs, cats, bunny rabbits, lil b@by ducks, mice (OK, not mice!), etc. as much as the next person. And I really disagreed with what Vick did. I have no use for people who fight animals for sport, whether they're dogs, chickens or bulls. But with that said, as soon as the PETA folks said that Vick had assembled breeding contraptions so that the male dogs could "rape" the female dogs, I had to roll my eyes. I've got a news flash for PETA: go to any farm where selective animal breeding takes place, and you'll see loading shoots and breeding stations where the same thing takes place. I'm not saying that the female animals get off on it. But I don't think they need counseling or need to be taken to a domestic violence shelter for puppies and cows either. People REALLY need to lay off the idea that whatever we feel is right or wrong for humans directly applies to animals. That was almost as dopey as the femi-nazis who wanted to charge some dairy farmers with animal cruelty/sexual perversions because they forced female cattle to submit to being milked.
Ya know, if we could find a way to round up all the flakes and wingnuts on the left and the right, I think that's who we should execute.
Ya know, if we could find a way to round up all the flakes and wingnuts on the left and the right, I think that's who we should execute.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
On second thought, that probably wouldn't work. Guy plays in Philadelphia. He's probably used to death threats by now.
Like Curtis Mayfield used to say: "Move on up!!!"
Not really. There are instances where people have gotten off with only probation.
Aside from that, I don't believe the circumstances are anywhere near on the scope of what people try to level it on. Being on par with humans. If that were the case, (domesticated animals on par with human life) we wouldn't be sentencing them to death by the thousands every year just because there aren't people to take care of them. Can you imagine if that were done to humans everyday...by a 'humane society' no less??
What Vick did was wrong but in the same respect you can turn on ESPN every Sunday during deer season and watch some guy piercing the shoulder of some buck with an arrow or a .30-06 Sprinfield round. There are those who outrage over that too.
We already do. The only reason why we allow humans to maul and maim each other for purse money and wagers is because 'we' can consent to it.:2 cents:
Hunting and torturing dogs are wayy different, but I get your point.
And your last point is valid, and I agree. Therefore, should we continue to tolerate blatant masochistic behavior? Even foster it? Make it "cool"? Or should we as a society draw the line at the torture of animals/people for amusement? :dunno:
In some instances they do and in other instances they don't. 5 years seems to be the average, but it varies.
Rebecca Gayheart for example was convicted of vehicular manslaughter in 2001, pled no contest and was sentenced to 3 years probation. Her crime was hitting with her car a 9 year old boy.
Personally I think that's worse than being involved with dogfighting. As do most people.
Well, I'm not really arguing for or against. Just lending some perspective to the debate.
I think though if you look at it, I don't know if Vick torturing them was exactly accurate. I could be wrong but I thought he (or his associates) were putting the dogs down in grossly inhumane ways. When, if you think about it...unless you have the means of putting dogs down like vets...which he wouldn't, how else would someone crudely kill a dog that was maimed and in need of putting down?
This is not to excuse any of it...but short of shooting the animal. How else would someone crudely put down an animal like that? I arrive at this question after analylizing the practical nature of what was taking place....not emotionally considering it.
TheOrangeCat
AFK..being taken to the vet to get neutered.
also, it's sadistic behavior.
Vick is a sadist because he gets (or got ... yea, right) (sexual) pleasure from the suffering of others (animal or human)
Should he have been executed .. a little harsh I think. But maybe some reciprocity: he gets stuck in a pit with a pit bull and lets see how he fares while a bunch of spectators look on, cheering and getting pleasure from seeing his rectum getting torn out by the root .....
Vick is a sadist because he gets (or got ... yea, right) (sexual) pleasure from the suffering of others (animal or human)
Should he have been executed .. a little harsh I think. But maybe some reciprocity: he gets stuck in a pit with a pit bull and lets see how he fares while a bunch of spectators look on, cheering and getting pleasure from seeing his rectum getting torn out by the root .....
That nonsense. We don't have a legal system based on lex talionis for most crimes.
Also how do you know if he's a sadist? It could have just been dog fights to him.
But by that logic, boxing fans are sadists, as are MMA fans.
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