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Marine Le Pen's confidence vindicated by Front National election triumph

Little Red Wagon Repairman

Step in my shop and I'll fix yours too.
I'd like to get some European members to comment on this if possible. What is the potential magnitude of all this?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-confidence-proves-vindicated-front-national

Marine Le Pen's confidence vindicated by Front National election triumph
FN leader claims 'the people have spoken', as far-right party polls an historic 25% of votes in the European elections


Kim Willsher in Nanterre
theguardian.com, Sunday 25 May 2014 18.40 EDT



It was, as even their avowed opponents agreed, an historic victory. Or as French foreign minister Laurent Fabius succinctly put it there was "one winner and a lot of losers".

From the beginning of the European election campaign weeks ago Marine Le Pen was insistent that Sunday evening would finally see the Front National emerge as "France's number one party".

Election pundits scorned her pretentions; the opinion polls confirmed them.

As the election results were first predicted – and later confirmed – on Sunday evening, there were cheers followed by an enthusiastic but not particularly in-tune rendition of La Marseillaise from the party faithful gathered at the FN headquarters in the Paris suburb of Nanterre.

The far-right FN had done better than even it probably expected or hoped for, polling an historic 25% of votes in the European elections and becoming France's number one party on the European stage.

As she arrived at the FN power base, supporters broke out into cheers and chanted "Marine, Marine".

"The people have spoken. Our people demands one type of politics: they want French politics by the French, for the French, with the French. They don't want to be led any more from outside, to submit to laws," a clearly jubilant Le Pen told supporters.

"The sovereign people have proclaimed loud and clear ... that they want to take back their destiny into their own hands.

"We must build another Europe, a Europe of free and sovereign nations and freely decided cooperation. Tonight is a massive rejection of the European Union.

"If Germany has become the economic heart of Europe, through the incompetence and weakness of our leaders, then France has been and will be the political heart of Europe. What is happening in France signals what will happen in all European countries; the return of the nation.

"To all those French who voted for us, I say that the battle for the greatness of France should unite us in the rediscovered love of our country."

If the result was a humiliation of opposition centre right UMP that polled just over 20% of the vote, it was a comprehensive and yet another damaging trouncing of the ruling Socialists who came in third. Vote predictions said the Parti Socialiste (PS) score was 13.9% at worst and still only 16% at best.

The defeat was the second slap in the face for president François Hollande's administration in as many months, after his party's disastrous showing in local elections in March, and his ministers could do little else but admit it.

Manuel Valls, the Socialist prime minister, described the election result as a "very serious moment for France and Europe", even as the FN was calling for his resignation along with the rest of the government. Valls' funereal expression showed he meant every grave word.

"The result is more than another warning; it's a shock, an earthquake," he said, vowing, however, to push on with reforms. "There is not a moment to lose," he admitted.

There was no room for complacency among the opposition UMP, already riven by leadership rivalries. The party president Jean-François Copé attempted to put a brave face on the result and deflect the blame onto the government. "It's above all a huge disappointment, but it's a reflection of the French people's immense anger and exasperation over François Hollande's politics," he said. Copé's rival within the party, the former prime minister François Fillon, said the UMP's credibility had been seriously damaged by the result. Even Alain Juppé, another former centre-right prime minister and seen as a party peacemaker, waded in. The score he said was "a severe defeat for the right and the centre". "The UMP must change. We must have a clear examination of what has happened," he said.

The initial results gave the FN 24 seats in the European parliament, the UMP 19 seats, 13 for the PS, six for the Greens and four for the Front de Gauche.

Le Pen's father and party found Jean-Marie Le Pen called on the dissolution of the Assemblée Nationale and for the prime minister Manuel Valls to resign.

Valls described the result as a "shock" and a "political earthquake".

A meeting called by UMP head Jean-François Copé was reportedly tense, according to a source.

On a personal level, it was a triple victory for the Le Pen clan. Marine Le Pen was predicted to have won 32.6% of votes in her constituency in north west France, her father was thought to have polled 28.9% in his south eastern constituency, while Le Pen's partner Louis Aliot won his seat with 23.7% of the vote in the south west against former UMP defence minister Michele Alliot-Marie.

At the FN's headquarters in the Rue des Suisses in the western Paris suburb of Nanterre, visitors are greeted with a statue of Joan of Arc, the party's heroine and figurehead, in full battle pose. On the internal terrace is an enormous fibre glass statue of a cockerel, another Gallic totem. French tricolor flags are everywhere.

Party officials had been – rightly as it transpired – optimistic judging by the rows of champagne glasses ranged on a table in the HQ.

The FN has pledged to close France's borders to "stop the free movement of the Roma" and (foreign) delinquents as well as "cheap foreign labour", to ditch the euro and return to the franc, to end free trade agreements with America, and "to defend, in all circumstances, our values, our identity, our traditions and our way of life".

In its election material Le Pen had urged the French to vote, insisting that shunning the polls was a vote for what it calls the UMPS, a conflation of the acronyms for two main parties, the opposition Union pour un Mouvement Populaire and the Parti Socialist.

"Today, France is at a crossroads," she wrote in her election declaration distributed to homes across the country. "Either she becomes once more a great country that is free, independent, safe, propserous and proud of its history and read to fight for its future and that of its children. Or it disappears in a Europe-ist magma, multicultural, without influence of power, undermined by precocity and shunted wise by a savage globalisation of which the European Union is only the first step."

She concluded: "Unemployment, the loss of social benefits, injustices, the loss of our values, uncontrolled immigration are not inevitable but the result of political chooses that we can oppose, that we must oppose. France has still a future and needs you."

The FN has repeated the mantra that it has become a major force in French politics at almost every election for years, but following an unprecedented victory in last month's local election in which the far-right won control of more than a dozen town and city halls, it has become more than just the wishful thinking of the past.

As Le Monde wrote after Sunday's estimations: "Marine Le Pen has won her bet: the Front National is the main winner in the European elections".

The paper added: "If the extreme right party's victory is no great surprise, the opinion polls having anticipated it for the last few weeks, the scale is surprising."

Jean-Yves Camus, a researcher at the French political think-tank IRIS, wrote in Slate.fr "The particularity of the Front National is that it cannot take part in any government or even regional coalition. It's opponents are very diverse but have one thing in common: the wish not to govern with it (the FN). It's a weak position.

"A major party is one that is able to transform its manifesto into political decisions, whereas the position in which the FN will find itself in the European parliament is of a marginalised opposition, in the same way the two FN MPs in the French parliament are very isolated."

Before the results, Slate said the only place the FN would become the "number one party in France" was on Facebook where its page had 157,000 likes compared with 84,500 for the Parti Socialiste and 82,100 for the centre-right opposition UMP party.

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French far-right Front National party president Marine Le Pen reacts at the party's headquarters in Nanterre, as it topped the polls in European elections.
Photograph: Pierre Andrieu/AFP/Getty Images
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Good for them. Now maybe they'll get their shit together and fix their country.
 
It's not that big here in Europe. She worked together with a similar politician from the Netherlands a while back but that didn't really do much. In the European elections the aforementioned Dutch politician didn't do well at all, and I'm very glad about it too.
 

Little Red Wagon Repairman

Step in my shop and I'll fix yours too.
Good for them. Now maybe they'll get their shit together and fix their country.

Wonder what this means for Hollande and France.

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It's not that big here in Europe. She worked together with a similar politician from the Netherlands a while back but that didn't really do much. In the European elections the aforementioned Dutch politician didn't do well at all, and I'm very glad about it too.

Thank you for responding.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I'm far from an expert, but from what I've read: France is one of the biggest beneficiaries from the EU in general. Their farming industry is largely EU-subsidized (which seems to mean these days largely German-subsidized). I actually agree with knocking down the EU a notch in much the same way I think the federal government in the US needs to be knocked down a notce - in favor of smaller governance (there, countries, here, states). There is a natural consequence to that though and that's giving up power on the international stage - maybe not the greatest idea with Russia doing what it will and holding the whole European continent at the barrel of a gas pipe (one could say that this works both ways, Russia being dependent on that income - but only the EU would be able to use that leverage, not the collection of individual countries).

My impression is that a lot of European countries - especially those with histories of colonization - are a little drunk off their own histories. 'They' think that just because at one point in history they were on top of the world, they can still be individually as relevant in today's world. I felt this quite a bit when I was living in Britain and I imagine it's similar in France (this doesn't really exist in Germany, because, well, their history taught them the price of trying to be on top). But I could be entirely misjudging the motives of the electorate and the politicians; they may be more interested in Switzerland's route, which as far as I can tell, is just to get on with their own business without being too bothered by needing to influence somewhere else.

But maybe I'm just pulling all of this out of my ass.
 
Do you think Marine Le Pen has a good chance of becoming French President eventually? If so, how much blame should Hollande be accountable for if his policies pushed the French people toward her direction?

I have my doubts, if I compare it to the situation in the Netherlands and Belgium these kind of politicians are popular and then their support gradually slips away again. I'm not really sure if that's how it will go in France but I saw it happen in other countries.
 

Little Red Wagon Repairman

Step in my shop and I'll fix yours too.
I'm far from an expert, but from what I've read: France is one of the biggest beneficiaries from the EU in general. Their farming industry is largely EU-subsidized (which seems to mean these days largely German-subsidized). I actually agree with knocking down the EU a notch in much the same way I think the federal government in the US needs to be knocked down a notce - in favor of smaller governance (there, countries, here, states). There is a natural consequence to that though and that's giving up power on the international stage - maybe not the greatest idea with Russia doing what it will and holding the whole European continent at the barrel of a gas pipe (one could say that this works both ways, Russia being dependent on that income - but only the EU would be able to use that leverage, not the collection of individual countries).

My impression is that a lot of European countries - especially those with histories of colonization - are a little drunk off their own histories. 'They' think that just because at one point in history they were on top of the world, they can still be individually as relevant in today's world. I felt this quite a bit when I was living in Britain and I imagine it's similar in France (this doesn't really exist in Germany, because, well, their history taught them the price of trying to be on top). But I could be entirely misjudging the motives of the electorate and the politicians; they may be more interested in Switzerland's route, which as far as I can tell, is just to get on with their own business without being too bothered by needing to influence somewhere else.

But maybe I'm just pulling all of this out of my ass.

I have my doubts, if I compare it to the situation in the Netherlands and Belgium these kind of politicians are popular and then their support gradually slips away again. I'm not really sure if that's how it will go in France but I saw it happen in other countries.

Thanks again, fellas. Always nice to get a window from America and hear from real people. Most appreciated.
 

tartanterrier

Is somewhere outhere.
I don't think this euro vote will have any real say in what happens in an actual French election.This was more of a protest vote against the EU I think, as with everyone else in Europe who is sick of being in the EU club.

If this were to happen in an actual French election, then I think there would be riots in every French city much to the same as what is happening in the Ukraine at the moment.

This may be a small victory for Le Pen because of the situation, but I don't think she would ever win a French election and you can also say the same for UKIP's win in the UK as well.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
the socialist's blindness and stupidity with François Hollande since 2012 have taken dramatic proportions
 

Little Red Wagon Repairman

Step in my shop and I'll fix yours too.
the socialist's blindness and stupidity with François Hollande since 2012 have taken dramatic proportions

I might not know much about France but Hollande looked like a disaster right from the start. I figured if the Left didn't solve the problems then people might run all the other way to the Right hoping they can fix things. Hollande might be the best gift Marine Le Pen never asked for.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
I might not know much about France but Hollande looked like a disaster right from the start. I figured if the Left didn't solve the problems then people might run all the other way to the Right hoping they can fix things. Hollande might be the best gift Marine Le Pen never asked for.

Spot on :yesyes:
 
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