Life After Death

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PATCHOGUE, N.Y. – At first glance, the green plastic ginger ale bottle on the beach looked just like another of the billions of pieces of debris splayed across Northeast coastlines after Superstorm Sandy.

But this bottle, which would fetch a nickel at the recycling center, is worth everything to a grieving ****** who knew instantly from the silly adolescent message inside that it had come from her ********, who died in 2010: "Be excellent to yourself, dude!"

"I told her I felt like her ******** was looking down from heaven and wanted me to give her a call"
- Brian Waldron, a Patchogue parks department employee

Sidonie Fery, then 10, wrote a message on a scrap of paper, tucked it in a bottle and launched it into the waters off Long Island a dozen years ago. It was long forgotten until workers cleaning up after Sandy in the village of Patchogue discovered it and called Sidonie's ***, Mimi.

"I was just sobbing when I heard they had found it," Mimi Fery said. "These are very, very kind people."

This weekend, Fery will return to the seaside village about 60 miles east of Manhattan where she will again thank the workers and attend a ceremony where a small plaque will be dedicated as a remembrance to Sidonie, village officials said. The 18-year-old died in a 2010 fall from a cliff in Switzerland while attending boarding school.

Fery described her only ***** as a creative youngster, who was always writing poetry. She knew instantly when told what the message contained that it had been written by Sidonie because it was a quote from "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure," the girl's favorite film.

Fery also takes a second meaning from the message, one not to worry about Sidonie.

"Be excellent to yourself, dude," Fery said, quoting the message. "It makes so much sense."

Described as a "very artistic and vivacious young woman," Fery said Sidonie always had an independent streak; she traveled by herself to visit relatives in Iran every summer beginning when she was about 7 years old, her ****** said.

Born on Sept. 11, 1991, the little girl was often teased and harassed after the ****** attacks on her 10th birthday by people who didn't understand her Persian heritage, her ****** said.

"She had to deal with a lot of things," Fery said. "But she stood her ground."

The bottle only traveled a mile or two westward from where it was likely deposited to the location where parks workers found it just before Thanksgiving last year. It was intermingled with broken docks, boating gear and a spectrum of sea trash. Because the note included Sidonie's New York City phone number, the bottle found its way home to her ******.

Brian Waldron, a Patchogue parks department employee for 23 years, says he was working with a few temporary workers hired to assist with the cleanup after Sandy, when one of them said they found the bottle with the note inside.

"We opened it and it had a phone number inside, so I called the number and left a message," Waldron said. More than three hours later, an overjoyed Fery called back ****** on the phone.

They quickly arranged a meeting in Patchogue so she could retrieve the prized possession.

"I told her I felt like her ******** was looking down from heaven and wanted me to give her a call," said Waldron, who added that he collected a second bottle filled with sand from where the ginger ale bottle was found and gave it to Fery.

"She was ******, everybody was ******."
 
This may sound weird, but my beliefs change based on how I feel when I **** up in the morning. If I had a bad nights ***** I won't believe. A bad night can be more than just aches and pains- it can completely alter your perception of everything. If you feel tired and can't shake it, you'll start fighting with your brain and maybe even smack yourself to snap out of it. It sucks. However if I feel good when I **** up, I'll be really optimistic and believe in God and heaven. ******** really concerns me though- the blackness seems like a sneak preview of what's to eventually come. I pray that I'm wrong. I interpret the Bible like a history lesson- this means I can't remember or even understand many of the stories I read, so I don't think reading the Bible would be helpful for people like me.
 
There is no life after death, just by the mere fact that nobody has come back from the dead to tell me it's a fucking party.
 
It depends on who's dying. If somebody outside of your conscience (essentially anyone but yourself) is dying, they are subject to the physical and biological processes of death - rotting, decomposition, etc. The electrical and neurological impulses that drove their behavior have now almost completely ceased to function, and will soon stop altogether, and the identity of the human is lost. Simply, nothing happens to them. They fade from existence and it doesn't really matter anyhow from a physical standpoint. If it is you, however, everything will simply stop for you. Not like *****, just nothingness. The universe itself, being defined by your observation of it and your ability to observe it at all, would disappear from existence alongside you. Basically, everything would be nothing. This is a more solipsist, nihilist, and quantum mechanical viewpoint. But its motherfucking awesome. Deal with it.


Of course.............and appreciate your input !
 
Unlike many others, I think it matters not at all.
You die, you're dead.
Residual effects from a being's life are there but fade over time. Memories and such change and become less real and more fantasy; someone's impact is more real from someone's being in the world for as long as they are. Like ripples, most impact has a short time span of effectiveness. We determine the level of impact, not the person.
There could easily be more than one way after death, but humans want a reassuring concept to grasp and hold close. In the end, it is what we make of it.

And the reality has nothing to do with what we want.

Agreed!
 
People Who Have NDEs Are Convinced


For the multitude of near-death experiencers who know they have left their bodies and received a glimpse of life after death, there is no amount of clinical explanation that will ever convince them otherwise. The following are testimonials from experiencers themselves about their conviction that the out-of-body aspect of their NDE was real.

"As the two beings approached us, I could also feel the love flowing from them toward us. The complete joy they showed at seeing the Christ was unmistakable. Seeing these beings and feeling the joy, peace and happiness which swelled up from them made me feel that here was the place of all places, the top realm of all realms. The beings who inhabited it were full of love. This, I was and am convinced, is heaven." (Dr. George Ritchie)

"At 4:13 p.m., I was transported from the physical realm, the realm of the body, to a spiritual realm. I knew I was in another world - a world that is as real as this world is to anyone reading this." (Dr. Gerard Landry)

"Well, I felt myself leave my body. I just floated out of my physical form and I saw them cart my body away to the hospital. I went with it ... I wasn't frightened or anything like that because I was fine; and it was my body that was in trouble." (Peter Sellers)

"I knew right away that it was Jesus. "I knew by his eyes." (Randy Gehling)

"I had my first NDE when I was a *****, perhaps at the age of two or three. This would be about 1953. It involved me drowning. My memories of it were of seeing my body below me." (Brian Krebs)

"I felt as if I were coming loose from my body! While I believed that my body was me, I knew instinctively that if I separated from it, I'd be dead! My soul and body started separating again and continued to separate until I felt a short, sharp pain in my heart, which felt as if something had been torn loose. Then slowly and softly I rose out through the top of my head." (Arthur Yensen)

"I was aware that I, me, was on a journey and had left my body." (Harry Hone)

"I watched my spirit leave my body and release itself from this world of flesh. I could see myself traveling through a tunnel of light that was a freedom it is hard to describe in physical terms." (Sherry Gideon)

"At the birth of my first ***** after 30 hours labor, complications occurred and the baby could not be born normally and at the height of the pain I left my body. I saw my body on the bed and tried to communicate to those tending to it but finally gave up and left out the roof of the hospital." (Alise)

"My next memory was quite a scene in the hospital emergency room. It was the most unique experience of my earthly life. Unique, because I was observing my own body in the emergency room and all the activity going on, except that I was not in my body. I was above it all - looking down. I was feeling no pain." (David Goines)

"A massive load of compressed cardboard Carter was loading slipped out of control, slamming him against a steel pole. He remembers a sharp pain, collapsing, being in a black void, then finding himself floating in a prone position twelve feet above his crumpled body. He saw and heard people running around, yelling for an ambulance and saying, "Don't touch him, give him air." His body went from white to blue; there was no breath. The sight filled him with awe. "I'm here, my body is there. How did this happen?" Not understanding how he could suddenly be airborne, Carter Mills attempted to reenter his body." (Carter Mills)

"The decision to leave this world hung suspended in an extended moment of absolute quiet. Passionless, I watched my spirit leave my body as a feeling of "otherness" engulfed me. I felt a strange detachment from my physical body and the life I had created. I was no longer connected to a pitiful, suffering mass of flesh." (Linda Stewart)

"Immediately after the impact from falling forward onto the metal grating, I felt myself floating up, out of my body, and hovering above my body and all the people who were watching it, and who seemed ********* by shock and horror at what had happened. I think they pretty much assumed that I was dead." (Dr. Liz Dale's research)

"I remember looking down and seeing my body three-dimensionally for the first time. And it was such a shock, because we never see ourselves except in a one-dimensional mirror reflection, or a photograph." (Dr. Liz Dale's research)

"I was in a **** along with about 8 or 9 other people. It was starting to storm so we had a little tobacco we wanted to finish unloading. Before we got into the cars we had there, [the lightening bolt] came through a board in the side of the **** and got me. I felt myself falling but it didn't hurt. Then I noticed I was above myself looking down at me. My body was actually smoking." (Mr. Thermal)

"On the eighth day of this misery, I seemed to just float right up out of my body. So, I'm looking down at my body lying in the bed still as a corpse, and I said, "Oh, ****** I've died!!" I was basically unnerved by this. But in the next second, I thought to myself, "Hey, if I'm dead, who is thinking these thoughts??" (Skip Church)

"Suddenly I was out of my body, hovering by the ceiling." (Karen Brannon)

"Am I outside myself observing? I see my body and its pain. I look at my feet; they are pale and lifeless. My legs cannot move. My face is white and drawn." (Josiane Antonette)

"I found myself floating on the ceiling over the bed looking down at my *********** body. I barely had time to realize the glorious strangeness of the situation - that I was me but not in my body - when I was joined by a radiant being bathed in a shimmering white glow." (Beverly Brodsky)

"I see myself as a tiny dot out of my physical body, which lies inert before me. I find myself oppressed by darkness and there is a feeling of terrific loneliness. Suddenly, I am conscious of a white beam of light, knowing that I must follow it or be lost." (Edgar Cayce)

It is not just experiencers who believe that NDEs are veridical events that occur outside of the body, doctors who observe them do as well.

Dr. Michael Sabom, an Atlanta cardiologist, was one who eventually became convinced that experiencers are actual separating from their bodies. After talking to patients, who claimed they had a NDE, Sabom said:

"I came to the conclusion that these were occurring and they were rather frequent, but people usually didn't talk about them unless they were approached in an open, understanding manner." (Dr. Michael Sabom)

Dr. Karl Jansen, a member of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and the world's leading expert on ketamine, has studied ketamine at every level. Jansen not only felt that NDEs and ketamine induced visions were the same, but became convinced that BOTH induced real visions of a real god.

In 1977, Dr. Kenneth Ring was a brilliant young professor of psychology at the University of Connecticut who read Dr. Raymond Moody's book, Life After Life, and was inspired by it. However, he felt that a more scientifically structured study would strengthen Moody's findings. He sought out 102 near-death survivors for his research. He concluded:

"Regardless of their prior attitudes - whether skeptical or deeply religious - and regardless of the many variations in religious beliefs and degrees of skepticism from tolerant disbelief to outspoken atheism - most of these people were convinced that they had been in the presence of some supreme and loving power and had a glimpse of a life yet to come." (Dr. Kenneth Ring)

Despite the strides in explaining NDEs through clinical investigation, some researchers believe that the physiological approach is insufficient. Dr. Bruce Greyson agrees:

"These are just armchair speculations. Finding a chemical change in the brain does not necessarily prove that it causes NDEs." (Dr. Bruce Greyson)

For Greyson and others who view NDEs as mystical experiences, the skeptics in the lab are only solving a small part of the puzzle.

Jody Long is a researcher with NDERF who had this to say about the out-of-body phase of NDEs:

"Vivid NDE examples, also noted in the landmark NDE Dutch study by Pim van Lommel, contain memories during physical death of events categorized as 'veridical perception'. Experiencers were accurately reporting events they witnessed while in the out-of-body state during the time they coded. They couldn't possibly know what the doctors, staff, or relatives were saying in the same or another room. Nonetheless, NDErs were privy to conversations and events." (Jody Long)

Dr. Diane Komp, a pediatric oncologist at Yale, was transformed by witnessing childrens' NDEs, such as that of an 8-year-old with cancer envisioning a school bus driven by Jesus, a 7-year-old leukemia patient hearing a chorus of angels before passing away.

"I was an atheist, and it changed my view of spiritual matters," recalls Komp. "Call it a conversion. I came away convinced that these are real spiritual experiences." (Dr. Diane Komp)

Dr. Timothy Leary, the deceased psychologist and 60's guru who experimented with LSD, once described ketamine as "experiments in voluntary death."

The psychiatrist, Dr. Stanislav Grof, stated:

"If you have a full-blown experience of ketamine, you can never believe there is death or that death can possibly influence who you are." Ketamine allows some patients to reason that "the strange, unexpected intensity and unfamiliar dimension of their experience means they must have died." (Dr. Stanislav Grof)

"A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

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When I die, my atoms will once again begin their journey to everywhere. Some of them will be released as gases - a few even being light enough to escape our atmosphere and float into the nothingness of space. Others, meanwhile, will be broken down by various bacteria and insects - perhaps even a larger predator, but will be broken down nonetheless and used as food stuffs by smaller species. Of course, those smaller species will be consumed by larger species and so on, some being consumed alive, some being consumed dead and so on and so on and so on, until bits and pieces of me are spread all over the world here and there after a couple of billions of years.

Meanwhile, our sun will become a red giant, essentially burning off anything on our planet's surface. Many of those burnt atoms will float off into space, a few others remaining on Earth. Who knows, maybe eventually a few of my atoms will float through space long enough that they join will trillions upon trillions of other atoms, a ***** large enough to ignite a brand new star (and creating more heavier elements), and perhaps another solar system which can sustain life - maybe even intelligent.

That is part of my religion. And instead of making me feel like the pawn of some supposed supreme being, it makes me literally feel like part of the universe's past, present and future...which makes me feel pretty damned good and enlightened.
 
Depends on what you believe.
I don't know about that.

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson

passenger, I've got to give you props for your dedication to the this thread, and quite a respectful dedication at that. I'd like to know: what is it that you're looking for here?
 
It doesn't really matter at all what religion you believe in, if you are religious you know that you are all going to go straight to the depths of hell from spending time in such a sinful places watching all these lustful women...
 
This may sound weird, but my beliefs change based on how I feel when I **** up in the morning. If I had a bad nights ***** I won't believe. A bad night can be more than just aches and pains- it can completely alter your perception of everything. If you feel tired and can't shake it, you'll start fighting with your brain and maybe even smack yourself to snap out of it. It sucks. However if I feel good when I **** up, I'll be really optimistic and believe in God and heaven. ******** really concerns me though- the blackness seems like a sneak preview of what's to eventually come. I pray that I'm wrong. I interpret the Bible like a history lesson- this means I can't remember or even understand many of the stories I read, so I don't think reading the Bible would be helpful for people like me.


Something about dreams for me that really make me wonder........some of them seem so real yet.............And the feeling that spirits are for real, certain things that happen, sounds i hear,I don't know. But then i think that when i close my eyes and *****...is that it if i don't **** up..nothing ?
 
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